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  • madness
    Registered User
    • Apr 2003
    • 13690

    Schobel tops in playmaking

    Schobel tops in playmaking

    By Chris Brown - Posted May 10, 2010 – 10:39 am
    Bills DE Aaron Schobel still hasn’t decided whether he’s going to continue his playing career in 2010, but he might be interested to know that AdvancedNFLStats has found among defensive ends he had the best playmaking ability in 2009.
    AdvancedNFLStats creates new models that go beyond just sacks and tackles or other commonly used figures to provide a more accurate gauge of a player’s effectiveness on the field.
    Without getting into a whole comprehensive breakdown, basically what AdvancedNFLStats did was develop a statistic called WPA or positive win probability added and EPA or positive expected points added.
    “+WPA” and “+EPA” add up the value of every sack, interception, pass defense, forced fumble or recovery, and every tackle or assist that results in a setback for the offense.
    What these stats measure is playmaking ability.
    At the defensive end position Schobel ranked number one in the league for 2009. His WPA was an impressive 2.08. No other defensive end cracked 2, with Washington’s Andre Carter the next closest at 1.89.
    In the EPA category, Schobel ranked second to Minnesota’s Jared Allen. Allen had plays with positive expected points added (EPA) 71.3% of the time. Schobel was second at 63.1%.
    Of course in the traditional categories, Schobel ranked tied for seventh in the NFL in sacks, tied for fifth in sack yards, fifth in tackles for loss and tied for second in interceptions in 2009.
    But for those that believe because he’s 250 pounds that he can’t hold up against the run, you’re wrong, and these numbers prove it. Here’s the list of top 15 performers at defensive end under these indices.
    94-A.Schobel BUF
    99-A.Carter WAS
    69-J.Allen MIN
    91-W.Smith NO
    91-R.Edwards MIN
    94-R.Starks MIA
    96-A.Brown CHI
    99-B.Keisel PIT
    58-T.Cole PHI 17
    90-M.Williams HST
    93-D.Freeney IND
    91-J.Tuck NYG 15
    91-R.Geathers CIN
    94-A.Smith HST
    92-S.Ellis NYJ
  • madness
    Registered User
    • Apr 2003
    • 13690

    #2
    Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

    Not bad for somebody with absolutely no inside move and gets all his sacks in garbage time.

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    • madness
      Registered User
      • Apr 2003
      • 13690

      #3
      Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

      Application

      Can +WPA really tell us who the best defensive players are? Let's see if the top defenders in +WPA for 2009 make sense. For linebackers, there's Jonathan Vilma, David Harris, LaMarr Woodley, Patrick Willis, Gary Brackett, Ray Lewis, James Harrison, Karlos Dansby, London Fletcher, and Terrell Suggs.

      The top defensive ends include: Aaron Schobel, Jared Allen, Andre Carter, Will Smith, Ray Edwards, Trent Cole, Alex Brown, Brett Keisel, Mario Williams, and Dwight Freeney. Guys like Julius Peppers, Justin Tuck, and Robert Mathis are right behind.

      For tackles, there's: Kevin Williams, Kyle Williams, Jonathan Babineaux, Darnell Dockett, Justin Smith, Albert Haynesworth, Jay Ratliff, Tommie Harris, Marcus Stroud, Vince Wilfork, and Pat Williams.

      Still not convinced? Here are the top cornerbacks: Darelle Revis (who else?), Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, DeAngelo Hall, Charles Woodson, Asante Samuel, and Tracy Porter. Rhonde Barber and Champ Bailey are not far behind.

      And lastly, here are the safeties for 2009: Bernard Pollard, Darren Sharper, Justin Leonard, Brian Dawkins, Adrian Wilson, Roman Harper, and Ed Reed. Care to guess #1 and #2 from 2008? Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed.

      +WPA produced an impressive list of players. Just consider the Pro-Bowl appearances belonging to those players. (This might mean Pro Bowl selections ignore negative performance, just like +WPA does. Or it means +WPA is a pretty good stat for defenders. I think it's probably a little of both.)

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      • EDS
        Registered User
        • Jan 2003
        • 5216

        #4
        Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

        I am sure Chris Ellis will make us all forget about Schobel.

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        • TacklingDummy
          Unreachable Douche
          • Jul 2002
          • 71725

          #5
          Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

          Originally posted by madness
          Not bad for somebody with absolutely no inside move and gets all his sacks in garbage time.


          Garbage Time Sack Master.

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          • TacklingDummy
            Unreachable Douche
            • Jul 2002
            • 71725

            #6
            Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

            Originally posted by EDS
            I am sure Chris Ellis will make us all forget about Schobel.
            Schobel has made us forget about Schobel.

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            • HHURRICANE
              Registered User
              • Mar 2005
              • 15490

              #7
              Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

              I hope Schobel retires. Is their a stat for a crappy attitude?

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              • M
                Registered User
                • Aug 2006
                • 1947

                #8
                Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                According to a post on the BBMB, Schobel just sold his house in OP.
                Let's Go Bills ... B B B B B B Bills!

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                • Beebe's Kid
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3134

                  #9
                  Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                  Originally posted by HHURRICANE
                  I hope Schobel retires. Is their a stat for a crappy attitude?
                  He is second, behind you, cupcake.

                  I don't hope he retires, I hope we trade him. I love this study....it shows how valuable he truly is. We need that help, because there is no tape of Schobel applying pressure to opposing QB's. Aside from his sacks, which are nice, the guy is just not a force on the field. He was too lazy to improve as a DE, why would he ever put the effort in to switch to OLB?

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                  • Syderick
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                    • Apr 2006
                    • 1466

                    #10
                    Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                    I'd like to see him back. He's all right DE.
                    3,000,000th post on BZ!










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                    • Thief
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 820

                      #11
                      Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                      Originally posted by syd1364
                      I'd like to see him back. He's all right DE.
                      Too bad he is a LBer.

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                      • Philagape
                        WIN NOW
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 19432

                        #12
                        Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                        Where's the metrics for getting blocked out of a running play?
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                        • justasportsfan
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 71579

                          #13
                          Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                          Originally posted by TacklingDummy


                          Garbage Time Sack Master.
                          Puhlease. He's made good tackles not in garbage time. He's always been solid with no help from supporting cast and has had crappy coaches for the majority of his career here.
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                          • BertSquirtgum
                            Registered User
                            • May 2009
                            • 13379

                            #14
                            Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                            schobel has dumbo sized ears.

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                            • jamze132
                              Don’t hate…
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 29295

                              #15
                              Re: Schobel tops in playmaking

                              What, no love for Kelsay from the stat guru's?

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