AP to formally revote for Rookie of the Year

[patmoran2006]

AP reports that all eligible voters are going to revote in light of the Cushing steriods issue, and recast their vote. Voters still have option to vote for Cushing, but Byrd probably will become the DROY now.

[SquishDaFish]

Cant wait he deserved it in 1st place

[Thief]

Doesn't this usually come with a link? I am interested in reading source.

[rcd333]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5176949

[Night Train]

Byrd or Clay Matthews, I'm guessing. Byrd may be victim of the present media dislike of the Bills.

This just in, we didn't draft the QB or LT were were supposed to (?). Therefore, we suck and need to sign JaMarcus Russell to save our off-season. :rolleyes: So how could anyone vote for a Bill now ??

[psubills62]

Yeah, Byrd came in second, but Matthews and Orakpo are legitimate possibilities to win.

[shelby]

i hope Byrd gets it this time, he deserves it!

[THRILLHO]

It will be interesting to see how many votes Cushing gets this time around...

[Luisito23]

Nice to heart, and thank you SO much for changing your avatar!

[Italian Stallion]

Harvin or orakpo will win...Byrd plays for the bills so he won't win

[Jersey1031]

Harvin or orakpo will win...Byrd plays for the bills so he won't win

i agree, king kind of went out of his way in his post to say that this doesn't necessarily mean byrd will win the award

[ServoBillieves]

I would really not be shocked if Cushing still wins it. 50 votes to 6... that's a lot of minds that need changed. Also, if not Cushing, I agree with either Harvin or Matthews, because obviously it's really easy to get 9 picks in your first year of NFL experience while not starting the first few games.

[BILLSROCK1212]

I would really not be shocked if Cushing still wins it. 50 votes to 6... that's a lot of minds that need changed. Also, if not Cushing, I agree with either Harvin or Matthews, because obviously it's really easy to get 9 picks in your first year of NFL experience while not starting the first few games.
i read somewhere that Schefter is hearing that

[Jaybird]

I would love for byrd to take it home, however, I think Cushing will take it after the re-vote

[YardRat]

I wouldn't be shocked if many of Cushing's votes went Orakpo or Matthews' way instead of Byrd.

[Sportsuser101]

Cushing will probably still win. He wont by too many votes for all those minds to be changed

[jamze132]

I would really not be shocked if Cushing still wins it. 50 votes to 6... that's a lot of minds that need changed. Also, if not Cushing, I agree with either Harvin or Matthews, because obviously it's really easy to get 9 picks in your first year of NFL experience while not starting the first few games.
I doubt it.

[YardRat]

Well considering he isn't elligible this time, I doubt he wins again.

pat's op indicates that Cushing can still be voted for.

[Coach Sal]

I'd love to see Jairus win it.......but I'm not sure it matters, if only for the future when people see the list of winners. Most people will still recognize Cushing as the "best" defensive rookie last year. Especially after he comes back in 5 weeks and starts making plays again.

But maybe it will be some sort of deterrent for others to not do it? Losing awards like this, or Pro Bowl honors, etc. can cost guys a ot of money when it comes time to renegotiate contracts.

Mike Greenwell said several years ago he deserved to be declared and awarded the 1988 AL MVP award, and it should be stripped from Jose Canseco:


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Mike Greenwell, 1988 American League MVP?

The former Boston Red Sox outfielder said Jose Canseco's admission that he took steroids raises questions about the legitimacy of the award that season.

"Where's my MVP?" Greenwell told the Fort Myers News-Press. "[Canseco's] an admitted steroid user. I was clean. If they're going to start putting asterisks by things, let's put one by the MVP."

Canseco hit .307 with 42 home runs, 124 RBI and 40 stolen bases for the Oakland A's in 1988 and was unanimously voted the league's MVP. Greenwell, who hit .325 with 22 home runs, 119 RBI and 16 stolen bases that season, finished second in the balloting.

"I do have a problem with losing the MVP to an admitted steroids user," Greenwell told the News-Press, adding that not winning the award likely cost him millions of dollars.

"Every time you renegotiate a contract, if you're an MVP, you have a different level of bargaining power," Greenwell was quoted as saying. "But in honesty, I don't care about the money."

According to the News-Press, Greenwell now works as a Fort Myers real estate developer and a volunteer assistant coach for the Riverdale High School baseball team. Greenwell graduated from North Fort Myers High in 1982.......

....."We all make bad decisions in life, and that's his bad decision," Greenwell told the News-Press. "If you are going to go out and bring other people down, you better be willing to face the consequences.

"I respect what Jose did in the game. I don't respect that [he used steroids], but I do understand how these guys get caught up in it. There is so much pressure to perform that guys are willing to do anything to stay on top."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1993112

[TacklingDummy]

They should look back at the Bills/Giants Super Bowl and give the victory to the Bills since LT has turned out to be such a douche bag.

[DraftBoy]

This is a horrible horrible horrible decision by the AP for the record.

[malvado78]

This is a horrible horrible horrible decision by the AP for the record.
Why?

Because of the revote or because the Cushing can still be voted for or because they should ahve just given it to the 1st runner up?

I think it is good for Cushing to be stripped. Quit doing drugs.

[BlackMetalNinja]

For the record, Cushing tested positive for a Non-Steroid. He had slightly increased levels of a natural hormone and passed all subsequent tests. He may have used something on the banned list, but it wasn't steroids. Additionally, the season before, this particular hormone was not amongst those that would cause a failed test.

I think there is a very real chance Cushing still gets the votes to keep the award.

[jamze132]

pat's op indicates that Cushing can still be voted for.
Yeah, he is right, I corrected my post too late. Why the **** are you quoting me so GD soon!!! :up:

[psubills62]

For the record, Cushing tested positive for a Non-Steroid. He had slightly increased levels of a natural hormone and passed all subsequent tests. He may have used something on the banned list, but it wasn't steroids. Additionally, the season before, this particular hormone was not amongst those that would cause a failed test.

I think there is a very real chance Cushing still gets the votes to keep the award.


Suspended LB Brian Cushing's positive test last September was reportedly for abnormally elevated levels of "hCG" -- a non-steroidal substance produced naturally by the body.

The catch is, it's also a popular combo agent during anabolic steroid cycling, and the same thing Manny Ramirez was suspended for in 2009. When injected, hCG can restore testicular size (which is affected by steroids), in addition to produce testosterone. Cushing may not have tested positive for 'roids, but it's pretty clear he did them. As SI's Ross Tucker noted late Monday, many players use PEDs during the offseason, when their chances of being tested are down. They then maintain the gains during the season.

Quote from rotoworld.com, emphasis added.

I think there's a chance Cushing still gets it, but I doubt it's real likely. Don't you think the AP voters put in their feedback on whether there should be a re-vote? There must have been enough people who said "Yes, I'd change my vote" for the AP to then say, "OK, then let's vote again."

[mikemac2001]

This is a horrible horrible horrible decision by the AP for the record.


He failed the test before the season that's the problem if it was after the season or even late 2nd half I would have been like whatever

it's
like awarding a cheater who got caught and was allowed to play all year

[Ron Burgundy]

He failed the test before the season that's the problem if it was after the season or even late 2nd half I would have been like whatever

it's
like awarding a cheater who got caught and was allowed to play all year

Julius Peppers won DROY in 2002, and he was suspended for four games during the ****ing season he won it.

It is an extremely stupid decision by the AP.

[DraftBoy]

Why?

Because of the revote or because the Cushing can still be voted for or because they should ahve just given it to the 1st runner up?

I think it is good for Cushing to be stripped. Quit doing drugs.

Take off the Bills glasses the precedent this sets is atrocious and disgraceful.

[Ron Burgundy]

It's a pointless exercise because no one gives a ****. These awards are meaningless. Anybody remember another DROY?

If you do, go outside and get some fresh air for christ's sake.

[psubills62]

It's a pointless exercise because no one gives a ****. These awards are meaningless. Anybody remember another DROY?

If you do, go outside and get some fresh air for christ's sake.
Wasn't Demeco Ryans a DROY?

[Buffalogic]

Julius Peppers won DROY in 2002, and he was suspended for four games during the ****ing season he won it.

It is an extremely stupid decision by the AP.Just because they made a mistake in 2002 means the should repeat that mistake in 2010? Nice logic.

Sorry, you don't deserve accolades if you cheat. Especially when there are other very acceptable, non-cheating, players good enough to win the award.

If you turn in a report to your professor and purger it the whole way because you want to win an academic contest, guess what, when they find out you cheated you suffer a lot harsher penalties than just losing an award, and for good reason.

Props to AP.

[Dicknoze69]

Julius Peppers won DROY in 2002, and he was suspended for four games during the ****ing season he won it.

It is an extremely stupid decision by the AP.

The difference is the AP voters knew Peppers had violated the substance abuse policy in 2002; here, the voters had no idea Cushing had violated the substance abuse policy.

[Ron Burgundy]

Just because they made a mistake in 2002 means the should repeat that mistake in 2010? Nice logic.

Nope, now they get to go back and revise every stupid little award they give out, which should be tons of fun given the number of PED users in the sports which the AP covers, which is all of them.

[Ron Burgundy]

The difference is the AP voters knew Peppers had violated the substance abuse policy in 2002; here, the voters had no idea Cushing had violated the substance abuse policy.

That doesn't help matters. How about Shawne Merriman's 2005 DROY? He was suspended between his rookie year and 2006 for PED usage. Voters didn't know, but the year where he was getting PED assistance was his rookie year. Did they go back and take it away? Nope. Now they get to, or at least reopen the voting.

[BlackMetalNinja]

That doesn't help matters. How about Shawne Merriman's 2005 DROY? He was suspended between his rookie year and 2006 for PED usage. Voters didn't know, but the year where he was getting PED assistance was his rookie year. Did they go back and take it away? Nope. Now they get to, or at least reopen the voting.The only reason anybody cares about this here is because Jairus Byrd is involved...

[DraftBoy]

Just because they made a mistake in 2002 means the should repeat that mistake in 2010? Nice logic.

Sorry, you don't deserve accolades if you cheat. Especially when there are other very acceptable, non-cheating, players good enough to win the award.

If you turn in a report to your professor and purger it the whole way because you want to win an academic contest, guess what, when they find out you cheated you suffer a lot harsher penalties than just losing an award, and for good reason.

Props to AP.

May as well take away every award, title, and record ever accomplished in the major sports over the last twenty years using your logic.

[DraftBoy]

The only reason anybody cares about this here is because Jairus Byrd is involved...

Of course, its all about the bias in this case. If Byrd wasn't in the running this is in the NFL Zone.

Anybody claiming differently isn't fooling anyone.

[RockStar36]

Harvin or orakpo will win...Byrd plays for the bills so he won't win

Something tells me that Harvin probably won't win Defensive Rookie of the Year.

[RockStar36]

That doesn't help matters. How about Shawne Merriman's 2005 DROY? He was suspended between his rookie year and 2006 for PED usage. Voters didn't know, but the year where he was getting PED assistance was his rookie year. Did they go back and take it away? Nope. Now they get to, or at least reopen the voting.

I see your point, but I guess it isn't the same situation.


Cushing's case differs from San Diego's Shawne Merriman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8427), who won the 2005 defensive rookie award, then tested positive in the 2006 offseason for steroids contained in a supplement. Carolina's Julius Peppers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3530) won the 2002 award even though he had already been suspended for the final four games of the season for violating the league's drug policy -- he used a dietary supplement that contained a banned substance.

[patmoran2006]

From AP eligible voters I've read, doesn't sound like they are going to vote for Cushing.

[Ron Burgundy]

I see your point, but I guess it isn't the same situation.

No, it's not the same situation. It's actually worse, since either 1) the AP didn't give a damn about Pepper's usage of a banned substance, or 2) the AP found out about Merriman's 'roid tendencies and refused to go back and strip his award from him.

[RockStar36]

No, it's not the same situation. It's actually worse, since either 1) the AP didn't give a damn about Pepper's usage of a banned substance, or 2) the AP found out about Merriman's 'roid tendencies and refused to go back and strip his award from him.

But...this time a Bills player might win it, so I totally agree with the decision.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

May as well take away every award, title, and record ever accomplished in the major sports over the last twenty years using your logic.

Not every reward was based on cheating. PED's give you an edge over a guy playing the game clean, these guys should not get rewarded with it. The Merriman, Taylor case is really the only other example this decade and like this one, there should of been a revote. PLAYERS SHOULD NOT GET REWARDED FOR CHEATING. These awards can give players extra money, that is not cool.

[Dr. Lecter]

Not every reward was based on cheating. PED's give you an edge over a guy playing the game clean, these guys should not get rewarded with it. The Merriman, Taylor case is really the only other example this decade and like this one, there should of been a revote. PLAYERS SHOULD NOT GET REWARDED FOR CHEATING. These awards can give players extra money, that is not cool.

I bet that any bonus for that award is something he will still receive.

This is silly and stupid. If they are opposed to him winning, take his name off the ballot. They did not do so.

The AP looks dumb. So does the NFL for taking 8 months to decide on his appeal. So does Cushing for taking a masking agent he should have known would be detected.

[DraftBoy]

Not every reward was based on cheating. PED's give you an edge over a guy playing the game clean, these guys should not get rewarded with it. The Merriman, Taylor case is really the only other example this decade and like this one, there should of been a revote. PLAYERS SHOULD NOT GET REWARDED FOR CHEATING. These awards can give players extra money, that is not cool.


Prove it.

You can't which is why this entire situation is dumber than hell.

[Buffalogic]

May as well take away every award, title, and record ever accomplished in the major sports over the last twenty years using your logic.Why lol? You don't have to change everything in the past to start doing it right from this point forward. In the past we weren't as aware of Ped's as we are now, so penalize the cheaters.

Or they should keep doing it the wrong way just because they have always done it the wrong way in the past. Nice. :rolleyes:

[madness]

Re-vote results expected at 1 pm
Chris Brown
Posted May 12, 2010 – 9:08 am
Tags: Brian Cushing (http://blogs.buffalobills.com/tag/brian-cushing/)

The results of the Associated Press’ unprecedented re-vote for NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year are expected to be announced early this afternoon.
That according to Houston Texans beat writer John McClain, who has an AP vote, posted as much on his twitter account this morning.
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/13851034484) We should find out bout AP revote sometime during noon hour, cst.
McClain obviously said noon since he’s in Houston on central time. So that’s 1 pm eastern time. McClain also mentioned in a subsequent post that despite reports to the contrary that Cushing will not lose any of his bonus money from 2009 because none of it was tied to being named Defensive Rookie of the Year. Per McClain, Cushing’s two bonuses that kicked in from 2009 will amount to about $9 million.

[DraftBoy]

Why lol? You don't have to change everything in the past to start doing it right from this point forward. In the past we weren't as aware of Ped's as we are now, so penalize the cheaters.

Or they should keep doing it the wrong way just because they have always done it the wrong way in the past. Nice. :rolleyes:

So cheating was ok back then but not now? Thank you for the double standard.

We were well aware of PED's in the past, just because Joe Schmoo didnt know the difference between a PED and PET, doesnt mean the athletes, and the leagues weren't well aware.

[Ron Burgundy]

Also, let's not forget that it's an award that has no significance, no one cares about it, and the AP is only doing this because the voters look ******ed for giving the DROY to a guy who got popped. It's certainly not some "we feel the records should be sacred" thing, or they'd be busy fixing every stupid god**** postseason award that they've ever given out to a confirmed substance abuser.

[Mindbender]

One vote for Byrd...two for Orakpo (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brian-cushing-associated-press-award-re-vote)

[DraftBoy]

Also, let's not forget that it's an award that has no significance, no one cares about it, and the AP is only doing this because the voters look ******ed for giving the DROY to a guy who got popped. It's certainly not some "we feel the records should be sacred" thing, or they'd be busy fixing every stupid god**** postseason award that they've ever given out to a confirmed substance abuser.

Football is about who won the game.

Records and stupid awards are baseball's OCD obsession.

[Dr. Lecter]

Football is about who won the game.

Records and stupid awards are baseball's OCD obsession.

Except according to FTP wins and losses are not a measure of how good a team is.

I think that was my favorite quote ever at this place.

[Mr. Pink]

Is there really a point of stripping a completely useless award and re-voting on something that 3 years from now no one will care about?

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Prove it.

You can't which is why this entire situation is dumber than hell.

Touche on that

[Demon]

Cushing wins it again. per Houston Chronicle.

[Mr. Pink]

Cushing wins it again. per Houston Chronicle.


:rofl:

That makes this entire decision even more ******ed than it was to begin with.