Hypothetical if we suck this year

[DesertFox24]

I was doing some research and looking up some stats from last year of potential QBs that I would like to draft.

Locker, Luck, Mallett, keenum, and Ponder.

Of those guys Mallett was sacked just once and Locker was sacked a staggering 28 times.

Also want to point out that Mallett does not have an elite line in from him, although they are better than Washington but 28 sacks in 11 games?

Anyway draft guys this is probably the one year of college football I am looking forward to the most in a long time. I am going to watch every Arkansas, Wash, Stanford, FSU, and Houston game I can.

Also for what it is worth I think if we have our pick (that is picking top 5 and we draft a qb) then I think it is going to be Mallett. At 6'7 he has a cannon of an arm and could be a younger better big Ben.

[OpIv37]

I wish sucking this year was only hypothetical....

[better days]

I was doing some research and looking up some stats from last year of potential QBs that I would like to draft.

Locker, Luck, Mallett, keenum, and Ponder.

Of those guys Mallett was sacked just once and Locker was sacked a staggering 28 times.

Also want to point out that Mallett does not have an elite line in from him, although they are better than Washington but 28 sacks in 11 games?

Anyway draft guys this is probably the one year of college football I am looking forward to the most in a long time. I am going to watch every Arkansas, Wash, Stanford, FSU, and Houston game I can.

Also for what it is worth I think if we have our pick (that is picking top 5 and we draft a qb) then I think it is going to be Mallett. At 6'7 he has a cannon of an arm and could be a younger better big Ben.

Yeah, I am also looking forward to watching the QB prospects this year.

[ddaryl]

Until we see how the college season plays out it's hard ot pick the top QB for 2011...

but one thing is for sure there is a much better class of QB's coming out next year compared to this year.

[psubills62]

I really don't think Keenum is in the discussion of top QB's next year. I'd say take a look at Jerrod Johnson at Texas A&M as well.

According to DB, Luck is by far the best prospect of the QB's in college football. Locker, Mallett, etc. all have significant progress they need to make before being considered great QB prospects.

Another guy to keep an eye on (though you almost certainly can't watch his games) is Pat Devlin at Delaware. He's a pocket-passer who transferred from PSU and may end up entering the conversation come draft time next year.

[psubills62]

P.S. http://billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193402

[X-Era]

Seems like a good opportunity to rank the QB's...

[better days]

I really don't think Keenum is in the discussion of top QB's next year. I'd say take a look at Jerrod Johnson at Texas A&M as well.

According to DB, Luck is by far the best prospect of the QB's in college football. Locker, Mallett, etc. all have significant progress they need to make before being considered great QB prospects.

Another guy to keep an eye on (though you almost certainly can't watch his games) is Pat Devlin at Delaware. He's a pocket-passer who transferred from PSU and may end up entering the conversation come draft time next year.

I think the pocket passer is a dying breed. If you watched the Dallas-Cinci game last night, Palmer looked a lot like Bledsoe at the end of his career. I think todays QB needs to have some mobility.

[X-Era]

Here's my first quick take, this doesn't have everyone yet, I don't have a profile up for Keenum yet:

Quarterback

1) Andrew Luck**, Stanford (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192356)
2) Jake Locker, Washington (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=184177)
3) Ryan Mallett*, Arkansas (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192364)
4) Pat Devlin, Delaware (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=187226)
5) Christian Ponder, Florida State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192553)
6) Nathan Enderle, Idaho (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193701)
7) Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193543)
8) Andy Dalton, TCU (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193702)
9) Kellen Moore*, Boise State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193736)
10) Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193545)
11) Colin Kaepernick, Nevada (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193544)

[BertSquirtgum]

I wish sucking this year was only hypothetical....
you must feed off of the replies that your negativity gets. it's the only logical conclusion to how every single one of your post is bull****.


Edited: Please don't circumvent the filter. Thanks.

[OpIv37]

you must feed off of the replies that your negativity gets. it's the only logical conclusion to how every single one of your post is bulls--t.

Eventually, you will stop insulting people and start actually contributing to the conversation.

Oh wait, no you won't- the reason you insult people instead of actually challenging their point is because you have no intelligent responses. And that isn't going to change.

[psubills62]

I think the pocket passer is a dying breed. If you watched the Dallas-Cinci game last night, Palmer looked a lot like Bledsoe at the end of his career. I think todays QB needs to have some mobility.

You judge it based on a single preseason game? How about all the seasons that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have spent dominating the competition? How about Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers, etc.?

Saying someone is a pocket passer doesn't mean he has zero mobility. It just means that he's more apt to pass than run. Locker used to be a running QB, but was transitioning to a passing QB last year. He should be more of a pocket passer this year.

[better days]

You judge it based on a single preseason game? How about all the seasons that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have spent dominating the competition? How about Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers, etc.?

Saying someone is a pocket passer doesn't mean he has zero mobility. It just means that he's more apt to pass than run. Locker used to be a running QB, but was transitioning to a passing QB last year. He should be more of a pocket passer this year.

I was talking about the classic pocket passer that had little mobility. I said it was a dying breed, not a dead breed.

Payton is incredible yet he was getting sacked a lot more last year when I watched him. I can't wait to watch Brady this year with an O-line that is not all that great. I predict he goes down hard & often.

[psubills62]

I was talking about the classic pocket passer that had little mobility. I said it was a dying breed, not a dead breed.

Payton is incredible yet he was getting sacked a lot more last year when I watched him. I can't wait to watch Brady this year with an O-line that is not all that great. I predict he goes down hard & often.

Like I said, the term pocket passer does not equal Bledsoe's mobility. A lot of pocket passers still have the ability to avoid the rush or run for a first down when need be. I'm pretty sure no one wants a statue like Bledsoe.

[Jaybird]

We need to see what thoseboys can do this year, but based on what i've seen I am a huge Locker fan. Reminds me of a steve young type

[X-Era]

We need to see what thoseboys can do this year, but based on what i've seen I am a huge Locker fan. Reminds me of a steve young type

His athleticism could lean toward that comparison. Locker really needs to show better decision making, poise in the pocket, and just polish overall. If he does that, he could be the #1 QB taken.

[EDS]

Based on what we know as of today, Luck all the way.

[Dr. Lecter]

I would love Christian Ponder to be a Buffalo Bill.....

[X-Era]

Nix has commented on needing arm strength. I think Mallett may just be the guy we go after.

[better days]

I would love Christian Ponder to be a Buffalo Bill.....

Yeah, although I am a Gator fan I will be watching the Fla girls school a lot this year.

[Ingtar33]

Here's my first quick take, this doesn't have everyone yet, I don't have a profile up for Keenum yet:

Quarterback

1) Andrew Luck**, Stanford (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192356)
2) Jake Locker, Washington (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=184177)
3) Ryan Mallett*, Arkansas (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192364)
4) Pat Devlin, Delaware (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=187226)
5) Christian Ponder, Florida State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=192553)
6) Nathan Enderle, Idaho (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193701)
7) Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193543)
8) Andy Dalton, TCU (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193702)
9) Kellen Moore*, Boise State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193736)
10) Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193545)
11) Colin Kaepernick, Nevada (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=193544)


I'd put Ponder and Devlin ahead of both Mallet and Locker right now.

[DraftBoy]

1. Luck
2. Ponder
3. Devlin
4. Locker
5. Enderle
6. Mallett
7. Keenum
8. Bolles
9. Johnson
10. Dalton

[DraftBoy]

The gap though between 1 and 2 is far.

[Night Train]

I'll take Aaron Rogers from GB.

I know it will take some doing but 3 of those 4 you mention will never turn out to
be anything but hype and one will be average to good at best.

I hate those odds. Let's trade for the sure thing. :up:

[OpIv37]

I'll take Aaron Rogers from GB.

I know it will take some doing but 3 of those 4 you mention will never turn out to
be anything but hype and one will be average to good at best.

I hate those odds. Let's trade for the sure thing. :up:

why would GB want to trade him?

[better days]

I'll take Aaron Rogers from GB.

I know it will take some doing but 3 of those 4 you mention will never turn out to
be anything but hype and one will be average to good at best.

I hate those odds. Let's trade for the sure thing. :up:

Yeah lets do it, now what do you think it would take to pry Rogers from GB?...............probably the entire roster & next years draft.

[X-Era]

I'd put Ponder and Devlin ahead of both Mallet and Locker right now.

I can understand that. I've never been a huge fan of Florida State QB's, call it stereotyping, whatever. But, I'm keeping an open mind on Ponder.

As for Devlin, I think he needs to show even more this year. He needs to take the next step and dominate at his level. I think he will.

But mostly, I see both Locker and Mallett continuing to develop and gaining ground.

Its August and this will all change for sure.

[jamze132]

It's going to be sweet to pay a rookie QB $35M+ during a lockout...

[DesertFox24]

1. Luck
2. Ponder
3. Devlin
4. Locker
5. Enderle
6. Mallett
7. Keenum
8. Bolles
9. Johnson
10. Dalton

Interesting, I am going to watch a lot of FSU this year but I am not sure about his arm strength?

Honestly do not know anything about Devlin, except he transfered from a big school.

Enderle from Idaho over Mallett I know he has good size, hopefully they make a bowl game so we can watch.

[DraftBoy]

Interesting, I am going to watch a lot of FSU this year but I am not sure about his arm strength?

Honestly do not know anything about Devlin, except he transfered from a big school.

Enderle from Idaho over Mallett I know he has good size, hopefully they make a bowl game so we can watch.

Idaho played in a bowl game last year in what was one of the best games of the season v. Bowling Green. Idaho won 43-42 and Enderle went 15 of 28 for 240, 4 TD's and 0 INT's.

Ponder has enough arm strength to make all the throws but his arm strength is not elite, Id say it is comparable to a Brady type level of strength.

Devlin is a kid who led Penn State on the game winning drive over Ohio State a couple of years ago but was behind Clark and transferred down to Delaware. Delaware plays in the CAA which is the FCS equivalent of the SEC and they have had a couple of down years in terms of talent. He doesn't have a ton of talent at the WR position to get the ball to but they should be better this year. I expect them to challenge for top 3 in the CAA.

I am not Mallet fan as he is horrendous under pressure, really slow in progressions and does not read zone blitzes well at all. Low football IQ on the field which is not what I would want running this team.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I do not want a QB with that high of a pick. Too high of a risk for too late of a reward.

[better days]

I do not want a QB with that high of a pick. Too high of a risk for too late of a reward.
No team can go deep in the playoffs without a VERY GOOD QB in todays NFL. No guts, no glory. I trust Buddy & Chan to draft aQB that can get it done.

[BertSquirtgum]

Eventually, you will stop insulting people and start actually contributing to the conversation.

Oh wait, no you won't- the reason you insult people instead of actually challenging their point is because you have no intelligent responses. And that isn't going to change.
conversation or challenging your points would be similar to arguing or speaking with a rock. your points/opinions are what they are and they will never change in my opinion. i've never, nor will i ever, waste an ounce of energy typing an essay to challenge your points as i know i could but in the end.....what's the point? i will however continue to post to every negative post i read from you. it's too entertaining not to.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

I'd put Ponder and Devlin ahead of both Mallet and Locker right now.
Really????Mallet Maybe.But Locker i dont think so maybe im being a homer but this kid is going to be Amazing.

[wozrob11]

hate to say it but this is the most realistic thread ive seen all off season .say it aint so! but i really like locker myself he's a good leader, very mobile and has a gun for a arm everything the new bills need in the new gailey system

[SeatownBillsFan21]

hate to say it but this is the most realistic thread ive seen all off season .say it aint so! but i really like locker myself he's a good leader, very mobile and has a gun for a arm everything the new bills need in the new gailey system
2nd that Locker 2011 Championship!

[DesertFox24]

Idaho played in a bowl game last year in what was one of the best games of the season v. Bowling Green. Idaho won 43-42 and Enderle went 15 of 28 for 240, 4 TD's and 0 INT's.

Ponder has enough arm strength to make all the throws but his arm strength is not elite, Id say it is comparable to a Brady type level of strength.

Devlin is a kid who led Penn State on the game winning drive over Ohio State a couple of years ago but was behind Clark and transferred down to Delaware. Delaware plays in the CAA which is the FCS equivalent of the SEC and they have had a couple of down years in terms of talent. He doesn't have a ton of talent at the WR position to get the ball to but they should be better this year. I expect them to challenge for top 3 in the CAA.

I am not Mallet fan as he is horrendous under pressure, really slow in progressions and does not read zone blitzes well at all. Low football IQ on the field which is not what I would want running this team.
Cool thanks, yeah I knew Idaho made a bowl game last year but I did not watch it and ESPNU does not replay it. They did replay the UCF rutgers game so I got to watch our new NT.

I am really interested in Locker, Mallett, Ponder, Gabbert, Enderle, and Devlin I think those are the guys.

The one thing I like about Ponder is he is accurate as hell, I will have to really watch his release and see if he can throw the deep out. I live in South Carolina so I get a lot of ACC and SEC games so this should not be an issue.

Got to watch almost everyone of Spillers games and I can tell you I was pumped we drafted him. One he is going to be a legit star and make defenses game plan against him which will help other areas and two it shows Buddy is best available. You win championships with defense and solid play from the QB, but defense is more important. I am really hoping that Bell and Edwards play at a top 15 level at their respective positions this year so we can draft more defensive front 7 help.

I really like Allen Bailey and I think he could be a stud as a 5 technique.

[Ingtar33]

Really????Mallet Maybe.But Locker i dont think so maybe im being a homer but this kid is going to be Amazing.


I'm not impressed with Locker... he reminds me of a less accurate, not as polished slower and bigger version of Micheal Vick...

I don't see a lot of pro success until he can show me the ability to... you know... read a defense... or you know... show some accuracy in the pocket. Right now his accuracy is his biggest problem with his ability to read a defense right behind it.


Think "bigger, faster less accurate, version of Rob Johnson" and you've got Locker pretty much pegged at the moment. He needs to grow a LOT before i start thinking "round 1" for him.

[Mr. Pink]

I'm not impressed with Locker... he reminds me of a less accurate, not as polished slower and bigger version of Micheal Vick...

I don't see a lot of pro success until he can show me the ability to... you know... read a defense... or you know... show some accuracy in the pocket. Right now his accuracy is his biggest problem with his ability to read a defense right behind it.


Think "bigger, faster less accurate, version of Rob Johnson" and you've got Locker pretty much pegged at the moment. He needs to grow a LOT before i start thinking "round 1" for him.

Locker would have vied for the top overall player taken in this past years draft and certainly would have been selected before Jimmy Claussen.

Unless he tanks this season, there is zero chance he's not taken in Round 1.

[PcA125]

I thought Luck was a freshman last year.. what are the chances he comes out after this season?

And I admit that I know next to nothing in the area of evaluating talent, so I'll ask you guys. Do players like Kellen Moore have a chance at being any good in the NFL, or is it more of the system that he plays in that allow him to put up some pretty good numbers. He had 39 Td to 3 Int last year..

[Demon]

Either Luck, Ponder or Locker. Will have to see what Ponder does after his injury but he reminds me of a Steve Young. The man is a true genius and we've seen what true geniuses can do in the game of football even when they are not the most talented players. I think Ponder will be a great pro, but will he be better then Luck or Locker.... i just don't know.

[gonzo1105]

I am an FSU fan and I can give a pretty good scouting report on Christian Ponder.

+'s
-He is very smart. Graduated in 2 1/2 years and is coached under Jimbo Fisher who has a pretty good history of producing good QB's in College

- He has got some good wheels to him as he can move around the pocket and is probably a guy that will run in the 4.6 or 4.7 range come combine time.

- He plays in a pro style offense that FSU runs and will not have to adjust to being under center or working only out of the spread offense.

- He is a pretty clutch player. We have lost a couple of games we had no business losing because of other players after Ponder put us in position to win. Fortson's drop versus Miami, Marcus Sims fumbling at the one inch line for the go ahead TD against GT. He led us back against North Carolina after being down big in the first half

Negatives

- As many have stated his arm strength is very average. He can make all NFL throws it will just take longer to develop then others. I kind of think he might be best suited for a West Coast offense in the pro's.

- He has shown a tendency to be injury prone. He has had to leave early the last two seasons because of various injuries including his ribs and his shoulder. It will be vital for him to stay healthy an entire season

- He hasn't really ever had to play in Cold Weather. He played high School ball in Texas and plays college ball in Florida. The only time FSU even comes close to playing a cold game is against Boston College and he has only had to do that twice in his career.

[X-Era]

I'm not impressed with Locker... he reminds me of a less accurate, not as polished slower and bigger version of Micheal Vick...

I don't see a lot of pro success until he can show me the ability to... you know... read a defense... or you know... show some accuracy in the pocket. Right now his accuracy is his biggest problem with his ability to read a defense right behind it.


Think "bigger, faster less accurate, version of Rob Johnson" and you've got Locker pretty much pegged at the moment. He needs to grow a LOT before i start thinking "round 1" for him.

I think the reason I like him is you can see the talent that he has. But, he plays erratic and unpolished so much of the time. However, so many of these guys play raw as well. Luck looks the most polished but he's only shown it for one year. If he can repeat, I agree he's the top guy. Locker has the ability and god given talent, if he can simply play more consistent and make better decisions and use his talent, he can be very good.

[X-Era]

I thought Luck was a freshman last year.. what are the chances he comes out after this season?

And I admit that I know next to nothing in the area of evaluating talent, so I'll ask you guys. Do players like Kellen Moore have a chance at being any good in the NFL, or is it more of the system that he plays in that allow him to put up some pretty good numbers. He had 39 Td to 3 Int last year..

Luck is a red-shirt Sophomore which makes him draft eligible. But, he, IMO, is very likely to stay in school. He has already reportedly stated how important finishing school is to him.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

No team can go deep in the playoffs without a VERY GOOD QB in todays NFL. No guts, no glory. I trust Buddy & Chan to draft aQB that can get it done. Were thirtysomething QBs Trent Dilfer and Rich Gannon VERY GOOD QBs, as you put it? What about Kurt Warner? Or, to a lesser extent, Tommy Maddox and the Bills' own Doug Flutie? No. In fact, they stunk it up for most of their early careers. I'm not saying bring back Todd Collins or Mark Brunell (heck no-- not him!), but journeyman quarterbacks have a strong track record.

Remember, for every top-5 draft pick star, there are an equal or greater number of top-5 draft pick busts. For every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For every Carson Palmer, there's an Akili Smith. For every Vince Young, there's a JaMarcus Russell. Alex Smith. David Carr. The list goes on.

[better days]

Were thirtysomething QBs Trent Dilfer and Rich Gannon VERY GOOD QBs, as you put it? What about Kurt Warner? Or, to a lesser extent, Tommy Maddox and the Bills' own Doug Flutie? No. In fact, they stunk it up for most of their early careers. I'm not saying bring back Todd Collins or Mark Brunell (heck no-- not him!), but journeyman quarterbacks have a strong track record.

Remember, for every top-5 draft pick star, there are an equal or greater number of top-5 draft pick busts. For every Peyton Manning, there's a Ryan Leaf. For every Carson Palmer, there's an Akili Smith. For every Vince Young, there's a JaMarcus Russell. Alex Smith. David Carr. The list goes on.

I said in TODAYS NFL. The game has changed & passing is much more important than in the past.

[DraftBoy]

Locker would have vied for the top overall player taken in this past years draft and certainly would have been selected before Jimmy Claussen.

Unless he tanks this season, there is zero chance he's not taken in Round 1.

The exact same thing was said about Jimmy Clausen at this time last season. Locker was given a third round grade by Blesto (I believe just two years ago) and Ill have to look up his National Grade in my rankings for this season.

[DraftBoy]

I am an FSU fan and I can give a pretty good scouting report on Christian Ponder.

+'s
-He is very smart. Graduated in 2 1/2 years and is coached under Jimbo Fisher who has a pretty good history of producing good QB's in College

- He has got some good wheels to him as he can move around the pocket and is probably a guy that will run in the 4.6 or 4.7 range come combine time.

- He plays in a pro style offense that FSU runs and will not have to adjust to being under center or working only out of the spread offense.

- He is a pretty clutch player. We have lost a couple of games we had no business losing because of other players after Ponder put us in position to win. Fortson's drop versus Miami, Marcus Sims fumbling at the one inch line for the go ahead TD against GT. He led us back against North Carolina after being down big in the first half

Negatives

- As many have stated his arm strength is very average. He can make all NFL throws it will just take longer to develop then others. I kind of think he might be best suited for a West Coast offense in the pro's.

- He has shown a tendency to be injury prone. He has had to leave early the last two seasons because of various injuries including his ribs and his shoulder. It will be vital for him to stay healthy an entire season

- He hasn't really ever had to play in Cold Weather. He played high School ball in Texas and plays college ball in Florida. The only time FSU even comes close to playing a cold game is against Boston College and he has only had to do that twice in his career.

Id be a little surprised if Ponder runs a 4.6-4.7 in all honesty, I see him likely more in the 4.8 range. He's not as fast as he is quick.

[DraftBoy]

Luck is a red-shirt Sophomore which makes him draft eligible. But, he, IMO, is very likely to stay in school. He has already reportedly stated how important finishing school is to him.

He's also on track to graduate early. This is his 3rd academic year.

[X-Era]

He's also on track to graduate early. This is his 3rd academic year.

If he does that, or even if he is just a few credits short, do you think he will jump?

[X-Era]

The Bills are using the term "fundamentals" all over camp these days and its huge in what Gailey is preaching. It may give us insight into what they look for in a QB. If that hold true, I would rank the top few QB's (in the Bills view) like this:

1) Luck
2) Ponder
3) Locker- I really think he turns the corner and makes great strides in this area this year

Nix has also mentioned arm strength being important. If that is the priority for the Bills, I would rank them like this:

1) Mallett
2) Locker
3) Luck
4) Ponder

If its both parts, I might rank them like this:

1) Luck
2) Locker
3) Ponder
4) Mallett

[Extremebillsfan247]

You know what would really suck? what if Trent had a one year wonder type of season this year? lol we go 9-7, still miss the playoffs, and miss out on any chance of landing a franchise QB in next years draft. That would suck wouldn't it?

[X-Era]

You know what would really suck? what if Trent had a one year wonder type of season this year? lol we go 9-7, still miss the playoffs, and miss out on any chance of landing a franchise QB in next years draft. That would suck wouldn't it?
Great a whole new thing to worry about.

[DesertFox24]

You know what would really suck? what if Trent had a one year wonder type of season this year? lol we go 9-7, still miss the playoffs, and miss out on any chance of landing a franchise QB in next years draft. That would suck wouldn't it?

Why would that suck, because we would picking in a place where we could get some good front 7 help, or a sliding OL.

I would be elated with 9-7.

We get a good line and Trent will look like a star (that is true of every QB), we get a good DL our LBs will look like stars.

[psubills62]

You know what would really suck? what if Trent had a one year wonder type of season this year? lol we go 9-7, still miss the playoffs, and miss out on any chance of landing a franchise QB in next years draft. That would suck wouldn't it?

Baltimore picked their current QB at about the 18th pick, I believe. That's probably about where we'd draft if we went 9-7. Could probably get Pat Devlin there (coincidentally, another Delaware QB) if need be, or Gabe Carimi or another OT. Who knows, they might not even draft a QB or OT in the first round. Maybe they'll go WR with Julio Jones, AJ Green or Jonathan Baldwin.

[DraftBoy]

If he does that, or even if he is just a few credits short, do you think he will jump?

Yes I do think so.

[X-Era]

Baltimore picked their current QB at about the 18th pick, I believe. That's probably about where we'd draft if we went 9-7. Could probably get Pat Devlin there (coincidentally, another Delaware QB) if need be, or Gabe Carimi or another OT. Who knows, they might not even draft a QB or OT in the first round. Maybe they'll go WR with Julio Jones, AJ Green or Jonathan Baldwin.

Shhh, don't get the line-in-the-first-round fans all worked up yet. Yes, I think WR is a very big possibility in next years 1st round. Unless Johnson lights it up this year, Evans will be double teamed. If it goes that way, Gailey may see adding a young stud WR would make a big impact on our offense. Evans also isn't a Gailey guy and his contract is up in 2012.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

WR... that early... kind of makes me cringe. Of all the high bust-potential positions, WR is probably at the top of my list, even ahead of QB. They're so dependent on the team around them that predicting their success is darn near impossible.

[more cowbell]

why would GB want to trade him?


because they have matt flynn who is obviously a legit starting QB if he beat out Brohm "our savior"

[X-Era]

WR... that early... kind of makes me cringe. Of all the high bust-potential positions, WR is probably at the top of my list, even ahead of QB. They're so dependent on the team around them that predicting their success is darn near impossible.

The Lions are on the rise and it took three years for them to get going. One year Calvin Johnson, the next Matt Stafford, and then this year they added Suh and Best. It may not work, but it wont be for a lack of trying or patience. They have added the type of draft picks that it takes to win.

Gailey got the RB in year one, lets see what happens in the next few years.

[Bling]

I'd have to really reconsider my allegiances if Ponder were to be drafted by the Bills. Not stop being a Dolphin fan, but I'd definitely root for the Bills. Greatest QB prospect in Florida State history. That one dude that ranked Ponder's pros and cons had it every thing exactly right.

1. Luck (no argument)
2. Locker
3. Ponder
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Mallet (will suck in the NFL)

[X-Era]

I'd have to really reconsider my allegiances if Ponder were to be drafted by the Bills. Not stop being a Dolphin fan, but I'd definitely root for the Bills. Greatest QB prospect in Florida State history. That one dude that ranked Ponder's pros and cons had it every thing exactly right.

1. Luck (no argument)
2. Locker
3. Ponder
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Mallet (will suck in the NFL)
I'm cool with you being a Florida State fan. But who was the last great QB prospect from Florida State? Have they ever had a bonafide prospect?

[Johnny Bugmenot]

because they have matt flynn who is obviously a legit starting QB if he beat out Brohm "our savior" Or it means the Packers management is not that smart. One of the two.

[Bling]

I'm cool with you being a Florida State fan. But who was the last great QB prospect from Florida State? Have they ever had a bonafide prospect?

Charlie Ward. Why does it matter? If a team has a new OC, a new QB coach, and a new HC, why does it matter what school he went to?

[Ginger Vitis]

So far when I see Bills fans discussing the 2011 QB class it is the same 3 or 4 names over and over again but it surprises me that Terrelle Pryor after 4 pages of discussion on this thread has not gotten a mention.. I don't think he would be my No 1 prospect at this point but still he did play well in last years Rose Bowl and he was incredibly hyped coming out of college

[gonzo1105]

I'm cool with you being a Florida State fan. But who was the last great QB prospect from Florida State? Have they ever had a bonafide prospect?



Florida State has never really had a GREAT QB prospect but they have had some solid ones that have gotten drafted.

Chris Weinke (4th round and yes I know he was old)
Thad Busby
Danny Kanell
Brad Johnson

[Buffalogic]

Florida State has never really had a GREAT QB prospect but they have had some solid ones that have gotten drafted.

Chris Weinke (4th round and yes I know he was old)
Thad Busby
Danny Kanell
Brad JohnsonAll those dudes sucked.

[Buffalogic]

Ponder has enough arm strength to make all the throws but his arm strength is not elite, Id say it is comparable to a Brady type level of strength.

You don't think Brady's arm strength is elite? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[DraftBoy]

You don't think Brady's arm strength is elite? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

No I dont think Brady has elite arm strength, whatever in the world would you make you think he does?

He has more than enough arm strength but its not close to elite.

[Buffalogic]

No I dont think Brady has elite arm strength, whatever in the world would you make you think he does?

He has more than enough arm strength but its not close to elite.That's crazy talk. Brady throws the ball like 70 yards through the air.

I'd like to hear who you think is elite if Brady is not.

[X-Era]

That's crazy talk. Brady throws the ball like 70 yards through the air.

I'd like to hear who you think is elite if Brady is not.

I think Brady is elite for pocket presence and decision making but not his arm strength. Manning has a stronger arm, IMO.

[X-Era]

Another one that ought to be in the Scouting Zone.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

All those dudes sucked.
Brad Johnson had a very good career.

[psubills62]

That's crazy talk. Brady throws the ball like 70 yards through the air.

I'd like to hear who you think is elite if Brady is not.

Only when he gets a running start.