What about Maybin?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

He played a little last night. Seemed to continue his trend of improving.

Maybe there is hope afterall.

[methos4ever]

He played a little last night. Seemed to continue his trend of improving.

Maybe there is hope afterall.
Remember g to the h to the gizzle...he's still 22 and was a RS So comin' out. I think he'll improve from pass rush specialist, to a full time guy if not by end of this season then the beginning of the next.

[OpIv37]

The Bills blew the pick and he will NEVER equal Orakpo.

I'm just hoping he can become a serviceable starter eventually.

[Lone Stranger]

At the rate he is improving he may get a sack or two 3-4 years form now.

[FlyingDutchman]

guys i agree he hasnt done squat but to say he'll NEVER be anything worthy isnt true...he is still so damn young and would still be in college this year if he didnt come out early....

[OpIv37]

guys i agree he hasnt done squat but to say he'll NEVER be anything worthy isnt true...he is still so damn young and would still be in college this year if he didnt come out early....

Like I said, I'm hoping he can be a serviceable starter. I don't think he'll ever be a star but he is showing flashes that suggest he might be able to contribute on some level. That being said, I don't ever see him being the force that Orakpo is.

[Beebe's Kid]

Like I said, I'm hoping he can be a serviceable starter. I don't think he'll ever be a star but he is showing flashes that suggest he might be able to contribute on some level. That being said, I don't ever see him being the force that Orakpo is.

:deadhorse

I have never seen a post where somebody claimed Maybin was, or ever would be Orakpo. The organization made a bad pick, which we have done from time to time....

Maybin has heart, I'll give him that. I think the guy tries. Trying doesn't always equate to success, but it never hurts. I wish he could gain some weight and keep it on. That would help.

The unfortunate part with Maybin is his "blooming," if it comes, is going to be after he has made some serious $$ warming the bench...then will want a raise, which could mean he is shown the door after we paid millions while he matured, which is usually done at the college level.

The pick was unfortunate for our team with so many needs, now we need to figure out how to make it the most beneficial it can be for our team.

[patmoran2006]

I think Maybin looked excellent the last two preseason games.

[Thief]

I also think Maybin looked good. Seems they even accounted for him by sending the RB to throw an extra chip his way. He still managed to generate a fair amount of pressure.

[Nighthawk]

Come on people...you've got to give credit where credit is due and Maybin definitely deserves credit for his play lately. He's constantly getting pressure on the QB and isn't that what we all want from him?

[mayotm]

Maybin will make some plays in obvious passing situations. He could be very good rushing the passer when the Bills have a big lead forcing other teams to abandon the run. The obvious challenge is the Bills getting a big lead.

[mayotm]

Come on people...you've got to give credit where credit is due and Maybin definitely deserves credit for his play lately. He's constantly getting pressure on the QB and isn't that what we all want from him?How dare you even suggest that. The Bills should have drafted Orakpo, therefore we should all hate Maybin. Maybin held out (first NFL player to do so) and has acted a bit immature as 21 year old male (first human to do so). Therefore, we should continue to hate him. What he does in the future doesn't matter due to his past sins.

[jmb1099]

He is looking better.
As far as pressure is concerned we do need that from him, but what we really need is sacks. If he can produce a steady stream of sacks and pressures throughout the game than I don't know what else we can ask for at this point.
I think we're hitting the nail on the head by calling Maybin a kid because he quite honestly plays like one at the moment. Very enthusiastic, always jumping around etc. That isn't a bad thing but he eventually needs to transition into playing like a man. Orakpo plays like a man and on some downs like an absolute monster. Teams game plan for him, he's that much of a concern. Nobody is game planning for Maybin yet, hopefully he can change that

[Luisito23]

Maybin was a wasted pick, but I'll give him this season to prove me wrong, or at the least give me some confidence in him. I'm not really expecting him to do it though, sorry.

[better days]

Maybin was a wasted pick, but I'll give him this season to prove me wrong, or at the least give me some confidence in him. I'm not really expecting him to do it though, sorry.

I think everyone agrees Maybin was a wasted pick. You can thank Jauron for that. All we can hope is as he matures, he develops into something.

[Night Train]

Pass Rush downs (specialist) only.

Gailey didn't make that mistake but must figure how to use him correctly. Move him around on obvious pass downs and let him fly. Gets tied up on run plays and can't get off the blocks. He is what he is.

[mayotm]

Pass Rush downs (specialist) only.

Gailey didn't make that mistake but must figure how to use him correctly. Move him around on obvious pass downs and let him fly. Gets tied up on run plays and can't get off the blocks. He is what he is.I agree that he's only a pass rusher at this point. That stated, I believe that he can make some plays in that role.

[HHURRICANE]

:deadhorse

I have never seen a post where somebody claimed Maybin was, or ever would be Orakpo. The organization made a bad pick, which we have done from time to time....

Maybin has heart, I'll give him that. I think the guy tries. Trying doesn't always equate to success, but it never hurts. I wish he could gain some weight and keep it on. That would help.

The unfortunate part with Maybin is his "blooming," if it comes, is going to be after he has made some serious $$ warming the bench...then will want a raise, which could mean he is shown the door after we paid millions while he matured, which is usually done at the college level.

The pick was unfortunate for our team with so many needs, now we need to figure out how to make it the most beneficial it can be for our team.

Unless this guy is your brother I don't give a flying **** how or why he is here or why he sucks.

Either he can play or he can't play. Why is it that I have to hear that we shouldn't blame Maybin.

I'll give you 25 million reasons. Now if he wants to give back his money and admit that he's not all that than we can reopen the topic. For 25 million dollars I want to see this ****** play some football.

[OpIv37]

How dare you even suggest that. The Bills should have drafted Orakpo, therefore we should all hate Maybin. Maybin held out (first NFL player to do so) and has acted a bit immature as 21 year old male (first human to do so). Therefore, we should continue to hate him. What he does in the future doesn't matter due to his past sins.

Maybin deserves the hate until he does something, period.

Yes, I have to admit he's looked good in pre-season. However, he's been doing it against 3rd and 4th stringers, and has yet to crack the starting lineup despite lackluster performances from our other LB's.

Your post seems to be predicated on the assumption that he will do something in the future, which is not a valid assumption at this point.

[Jan Reimers]

I reserve my hatred of players for guys who are lazy, unmotivated, preoccupied with everything but football, etc. Maybin doesn't seem to be that type. I think he gives his all, but he may just lack the size and strength right now to produce at his position.

[mayotm]

Maybin deserves the hate until he does something, period.

Yes, I have to admit he's looked good in pre-season. However, he's been doing it against 3rd and 4th stringers, and has yet to crack the starting lineup despite lackluster performances from our other LB's.

Your post seems to be predicated on the assumption that he will do something in the future, which is not a valid assumption at this point.It's more about moving on. I'm not going to worry about the fact that he shouldn't have been drafted where he was. I'm also not going to hold it against him for being immature as a 21 year old. I'm not predicting greatness for Maybin. In fact, I'm not predicting anything one way or another. I'm going to sit back and see what happens. You and others can continue to hate him. He's a Bill, so I'm going to root hard for him.

[OpIv37]

It's more about moving on. I'm not going to worry about the fact that he shouldn't have been drafted where he was. I'm also not going to hold it against him for being immature as a 21 year old. I'm not predicting greatness for Maybin. In fact, I'm not predicting anything one way or another. I'm going to sit back and see what happens. You and others can continue to hate him. He's a Bill, so I'm going to root hard for him.

What's this BS about not rooting for him? I want every player on this team to do well- I don't like the ones who don't contribute. It's really that simple.

[mayotm]

What's this BS about not rooting for him? I want every player on this team to do well- I don't like the ones who don't contribute. It's really that simple.If you want to turn this into a pissing match that's fine. I don't hate him. Again, I'll leave that to you.

[OpIv37]

If you want to turn this into a pissing match that's fine. I don't hate him. Again, I'll leave that to you.

Yeah, there's always someone willing to make excuses for players who do nothing. It starts with the owner, and trickles down through the FO, the coaches and eventually to some of the fans.

[mayotm]

Yeah, there's always someone willing to make excuses for players who do nothing. It starts with the owner, and trickles down through the FO, the coaches and eventually to some of the fans.I'm confused, where have you seen me make excuses for Maybin. I realize you love to argue, but this thread was about Maybin's improvement this summer. You immediately start in about Orakpo and that Maybin didn't do anything last year. Who is arguing those points?

[Jan Reimers]

Sometimes, the FO f***s up and makes a poor pick. The player may try his hardest, but he is just not an NFL caliber player, or he is not cabable of playing to the level of his draft status.

It's not always about making excuses for the player, particularly when he is playing as well as he can, but he just doesn't have the right stuff.

[Mad Max]

At the rate he is improving he may get a sack or two 3-4 years form now as a player for the Sasketchewan Roughriders.

Fixed.

[OpIv37]

Sometimes, the FO f***s up and makes a poor pick. The player may try his hardest, but he is just not an NFL caliber player, or he is not cabable of playing to the level of his draft status.

It's not always about making excuses for the player, particularly when he is playing as well as he can, but he just doesn't have the right stuff.

The problem is that when we don't get production out of those high picks, we suck (and that's true for every team, not just the Bills).

Well, we can't go back in time, take a mulligan, and choose a different player. So, either the high draft picks on this team like Maybin, Whitner, McCargo and Hardy start playing like their draft position dictates, or we continue to struggle. It's that simple.

[OpIv37]

I'm confused, where have you seen me make excuses for Maybin. I realize you love to argue, but this thread was about Maybin's improvement this summer. You immediately start in about Orakpo and that Maybin didn't do anything last year. Who is arguing those points?

Yes, Maybin is improving this summer.

But when evaluating Maybin, I'm also evaluating the FO, and the only way to do that is to compare him to the guy they should have taken: Orakpo. The whole time Maybin is improving, we're missing out on Orakpo's production. Granted, that's not Maybin's fault and we can't go back and fix it, but it's still relevant because it's still affecting this team.

[mayotm]

Yes, Maybin is improving this summer.

But when evaluating Maybin, I'm also evaluating the FO, and the only way to do that is to compare him to the guy they should have taken: Orakpo. The whole time Maybin is improving, we're missing out on Orakpo's production. Granted, that's not Maybin's fault and we can't go back and fix it, but it's still relevant because it's still affecting this team.OK. Just so I'm clear, every time Maybin's name comes up, we are going re-visit these same points that everybody knows and agrees with?

[Jan Reimers]

The problem is that when we don't get production out of those high picks, we suck (and that's true for every team, not just the Bills).

Well, we can't go back in time, take a mulligan, and choose a different player. So, either the high draft picks on this team like Maybin, Whitner, McCargo and Hardy start playing like their draft position dictates, or we continue to struggle. It's that simple.
Fine. But blame the FO, not the player - as long as the player is giving it his all. I think that in your example, McCargo and Hardy should take some blame, because I think they have failed to give it 100%. Maybin and Whitner, on the other hand, appear to be max effort guys who were drafted too high.

[mayotm]

Oh, and OP, shouldn't you be watching ND instead of arguing with me?

[OpIv37]

Oh, and OP, shouldn't you be watching ND instead of arguing with me?

I am- I'm responding during commercials. And I have DVR to go back if I miss a play.

[Thief]

Yes, Maybin is improving this summer.

But when evaluating Maybin, I'm also evaluating the FO, and the only way to do that is to compare him to the guy they should have taken: Orakpo.You keep evaluating the old FO? Why? We all know they sucked.

[OpIv37]

You keep evaluating the old FO? Why? We all know they sucked.
Modrak- still here
Brandon-still here
Overdorf-still here
Most importantly: Ralph is still here.

And even if you buy the "well they're in different roles" excuse, the effects of decisions made by the "old" FO are still affecting us on the field.

[Crisis]

Fixed.
hahahahahaha

my friend actually plays for Sasketchewan! he played at UTEP....steve riddick

[better days]

Modrak- still here
Brandon-still here
Overdorf-still here
Most importantly: Ralph is still here.

And even if you buy the "well they're in different roles" excuse, the effects of decisions made by the "old" FO are still affecting us on the field.

There are FACTS & there are excuses. "well they're in different roles" is a FACT, & the person responsible for many stupid picks (Jauron) is gone.