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  • Nighthawk
    Getting old waiting for a championship in Buffalo!
    • Jul 2002
    • 15437

    Sage Rosenfels to Giants

    Hmmm, now this is what most Bills fans would rather have as a backup then a guy who's never done anything and never will in this league. Rosenfels has proven his ability to be a very quality backup...something Fitz has never done.

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  • Lone Stranger
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    • Sep 2002
    • 952

    #2
    Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

    He's better than Edwards.

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    • Turf
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 8378

      #3
      Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

      Sage nor anyone one else is good enough for the Buffalo Bills. If we grabbed him thats all you would hear on this board. Hes a bum.
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      • Demon
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        • Mar 2003
        • 4047

        #4
        Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

        Originally posted by Nighthawk
        Hmmm, now this is what most Bills fans would rather have as a backup then a guy who's never done anything and never will in this league. Rosenfels has proven his ability to be a very quality backup...something Fitz has never done.

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        • BertSquirtgum
          Legendary Zoner
          • May 2009
          • 13379

          #5
          Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

          Originally posted by Turf
          Sage nor anyone one else is good enough for the Buffalo Bills. If we grabbed him thats all you would hear on this board. Hes a bum.
          ummmm. nope. you would be hearing he should replace trent as the #1 as soon as his plane landed.

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          • more cowbell
            Registered User
            • Apr 2006
            • 1489

            #6
            Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

            LOL this guy is not a starting QB, nor is he much better than Fitzpatrick....actually he is the SAME THING as Fitzpatrick.

            He's highly inconsistent, has some big games, makes a LOT of stupid plays, and ultimatley is an average 2nd string QB
            Last edited by more cowbell; 09-03-2010, 10:40 PM.
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            • BertSquirtgum
              Legendary Zoner
              • May 2009
              • 13379

              #7
              Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

              he would be the starter on this team. who are you trying to kid? yourself or us?

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              • psubills62
                Legendary Zoner
                • Sep 2008
                • 11295

                #8
                Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                Originally posted by more cowbell
                LOL this guy is not a starting QB, nor is he much better than Fitzpatrick....actually he is the SAME THING as Fitzpatrick.

                He's highly inconsistent, has some big games, makes a LOT of stupid plays, and ultimatley is an average 2nd string QB
                Who are you kidding? He's a heck of a lot better than Fitzpatrick. A quick glance at the stats shows that.

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                Things Rosenfels has done during a season that Fitzpatrick has not:
                1. Thrown for a TD:INT ratio that is higher than 1 [3/5]
                2. Had a 60+% completion percentage. [3/5]
                3. Thrown for more than 6.3 yards per attempt. [5/5]
                4. Had a QB rating better than 70.0 [4/5]

                The numbers in the brackets are the number of seasons (out of 5 seasons where he threw enough passes to be relatively significant - in this case, 39 attempts) that Rosenfels achieved those numbers.. If you want to just look at the 2 seasons where Rosenfels threw more than 100 passes, then it would be: 1. [1/2], 2. [2/2], 3. [2/2], 4. [2/2].

                In those criteria, the numbers I used for thresholds (e.g. TD:INT ratio higher than 1, 60+% completion, 6.3 YPA, 70.0 QB rating) are all either above or right at Fitzpatrick's career best numbers.

                Fitzpatrick's best TD:INT ratio was 0.9. His best completion percentage was 59.4%, his best YPA was 6.3 and 70.0 was his best QB rating in a season.

                Rosenfels can make dumb mistakes, but Fitzpatrick isn't exactly a game winner. Despite what some people say, we did not have a winning record with him as the starter. And the wins under Fitzpatrick can be directly correlated to the number of turnovers we had. Coincidentally, Fitzpatrick's games as starting QB happened to come at the same time Byrd went on his INT tear.
                Last edited by psubills62; 09-03-2010, 11:29 PM.
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                • more cowbell
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 1489

                  #9
                  Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                  Originally posted by psubills62
                  Who are you kidding? He's a heck of a lot better than Fitzpatrick. A quick glance at the stats shows that.

                  Sage Rosenfels:
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                  Ryan Fitzpatrick:
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                  Things Rosenfels has done during a season that Fitzpatrick has not:
                  1. Thrown for a TD:INT ratio that is higher than 1 [3/5]
                  2. Had a 60+% completion percentage. [3/5]
                  3. Thrown for more than 6.3 yards per attempt. [5/5]
                  4. Had a QB rating better than 70.0 [4/5]

                  The numbers in the brackets are the number of seasons (out of 5 seasons where he threw enough passes to be relatively significant - in this case, 39 attempts) that Rosenfels achieved those numbers.. If you want to just look at the 2 seasons where Rosenfels threw more than 100 passes, then it would be: 1. [1/2], 2. [2/2], 3. [2/2], 4. [2/2].

                  In those criteria, the numbers I used for thresholds (e.g. TD:INT ratio higher than 1, 60+% completion, 6.3 YPA, 70.0 QB rating) are all either above or right at Fitzpatrick's career best numbers.

                  Fitzpatrick's best TD:INT ratio was 0.9. His best completion percentage was 59.4%, his best YPA was 6.3 and 70.0 was his best QB rating in a season.

                  Rosenfels can make dumb mistakes, but Fitzpatrick isn't exactly a game winner. Despite what some people say, we did not have a winning record with him as the starter. And the wins under Fitzpatrick can be directly correlated to the number of turnovers we had. Coincidentally, Fitzpatrick's games as starting QB happened to come at the same time Byrd went on his INT tear.

                  I don't disagree that Rosenfels is a much better QB statistically (obviously based on the information you provided) the fact is he is a back up QB and nothing more. While Fitzpatrick isn't a starter, he is a serviceable back up...so I don't understand why everyone is bent out of shape that we didn't bring in a back up QB.
                  The last time the Bills made the playoffs was 1999.

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                  • Mr. Pink
                    Peterman Sucks!
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 35303

                    #10
                    Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                    Why didn't we trade for a journeyman NFL QB to sit on the bench?!?

                    Oh wait, maybe because we already have one!

                    Sage Rosenfels wouldn't start here either.

                    Favre is on his last legs, pretty much literally, and the Vikes didn't even care to keep him around all the while he couldn't beat out Tarvaris Jackson for the backup role and did so much to impress the Vikes they kept 6th round rookie Joe Webb as the third stringer instead.

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                    • YardRat
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                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86162

                      #11
                      Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                      I don't want anybody named after an herb on my team.
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                      • Beebe's Kid
                        Registered User
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 3134

                        #12
                        Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                        How many times has this guy led the league is passing in the last 5 years? None?

                        We have very high standards, and unless he has won at least one title, and let the league in 2 major categories, and been to 4/5 Pro Bowls....and was a 1st round pick that we don't have to trade anybody for...we don't want the bum.

                        We'll just complain about what we have, thank you.

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                        • Night Train
                          Retired - On Several Levels
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 33117

                          #13
                          Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                          Rosenfels is a strange talent. He's had some good moments against the Bills, when he was in Miami. He's also had some incredible mental blunders that cost his team games and drives the coaches nuts.
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                          • Luisito23
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                            • Apr 2003
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                            #14
                            Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                            Sage Rosenfels sucks!
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                            • Nighthawk
                              Getting old waiting for a championship in Buffalo!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 15437

                              #15
                              Re: Sage Rosenfels to Giants

                              Originally posted by Luisito23
                              Sage Rosenfels sucks!
                              No, Fitz sucks...Rosenfels can play and is a very good backup.

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