Now that we're cutting our losses on busts

[Mr. Miyagi]

When is it Maybin's turn?

[Ebenezer]

he's getting his audition...he played more yesterday and actually had three tackles. cutting him right now would be a complete mistake and unfair.

[Jan Reimers]

It's Maybin's 2nd year, Trent's 4th. I think we should continue to develop Maybin in the weight room, and see how he does.

[Ebenezer]

It's Maybin's 2nd year, Trent's 4th. I think we should continue to develop Maybin in the weight room, and see how he does.

I'm not convinced he's ever going to be anything but a towel boy but the guy has played less than 50 NFL plays. He didn't take himself out of the lineup. Let him play and let's see if he has anything.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Maybin looked HORRIBLE yesterday but with that being said I have no idea why you would want to cut him now?

[TacklingDummy]

Maybin looked HORRIBLE yesterdayAgreed.


but with that being said I have no idea why you would want to cut him now? So they don't have to waste millions of dollars to find out he's a bust? The NFL is a business and the money spent on this guy is a waste. Cut your losses.

[Demon]

If we cut all the absolute bums, we won't be able to field a team next Sunday.

I HATE Maybin more then anyone, but i think Cornell Green and Donte Whitner are ahead of the pecking order.

[justasportsfan]

I'd dump McCargo first.

[Ebenezer]

Agreed.

So they don't have to waste millions of dollars to find out he's a bust? The NFL is a business and the money spent on this guy is a waste. Cut your losses.


Millions?? He is not earning millions this year. He got the big guarenteed money - his base salary isn't killing the payroll.

[TacklingDummy]

If we cut all the absolute bums, we won't be able to field a team next Sunday.


They could pay somebody the league minimum and get more production out of him.

[TacklingDummy]

Millions?? He is not earning millions this year. He got the big guarenteed money - his base salary isn't killing the payroll.
8/21/2009: Signed a five-year, $17.6 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. Another $7.4 million is available through incentives based on playing time and sacks. 2010: $395,000, 2011: $757,500, 2012: $1.12 million, 2013: $1.4825 million, 2014: $1.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Looks to me like they would save around $5 million.

[Demon]

They could pay somebody the league minimum and get more production out of him.

True.

[Ebenezer]

8/21/2009: Signed a five-year, $17.6 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. Another $7.4 million is available through incentives based on playing time and sacks. 2010: $395,000, 2011: $757,500, 2012: $1.12 million, 2013: $1.4825 million, 2014: $1.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Looks to me like they would save around $6 million.

Incorrect. how much of the $17million was guaranteed? How much of that is signing bonus that is already paid (they cannot "save" that)? What is his base salary for this year? He made $1.45 million last year. He is not making $6million this year. Long term savings might be larger but his salary this year is insignificant.

[Beebe's Kid]

8/21/2009: Signed a five-year, $17.6 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. Another $7.4 million is available through incentives based on playing time and sacks. 2010: $395,000, 2011: $757,500, 2012: $1.12 million, 2013: $1.4825 million, 2014: $1.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Looks to me like they would save around $5 million.
Let's make a deal. Let him finish puberty, then we'll reassess.

The guaranteed money would be a complete loss, which it may be already but I'd rather wait and see.

Maybin didn't draft himself, and is still developing.

Surely you can understand that, being the logical man of reason you are, right? This is odd behavior from you, usually your one line posts announcing how bad we suck, and who we should get rid of, contain no useful information, at all. Providing the contract numbers wad useful...see ther is a first time for everything!!

We cut Edwards, as much for his good as ours, and the headhunters are out!!

[mikemac2001]

not cutting maybin after 2 years idiotic

give him another offseason to learn his roll get bigger and maybe learn a pass rush move, to young to give up on him now.

[Mahdi]

The fact that Maybin is still only 22 years old seems to always get lost here. The guy is still going to fill out more and get stronger and from what I am seeing he is attempting new pass rush moves every game. He really just needs time and experience to find out what he is good at and to perfect his speed rush.

Talley really hit it on the head when he said that Maybin should not be in a 4 point stance. He should be standing up.


I still think Maybin will come around but not till the second half of the season or even the final third. Or maybe not even till next year. One thing is for sure, last year he was well short of the listed 250 pounds. This year he is at least 245 if not more. He is getting there. Just needs time.

Brian Orakpo and Clay Matthews are both 24.

[mchurchfie]

Maybin got swallowed up, *****slapped, and schooled by Todd Lyght yesterday. I hope he turned that one into a learning experince and grows from it.:doh:

[unpaid_bills]

Maybin came out after his sophmore season and really didnt play much last year. this year is a 3-4 lets give him some time before labeling a "bust" Trent has had ample opportunity

[Lexwhat]

8/21/2009: Signed a five-year, $17.6 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. Another $7.4 million is available through incentives based on playing time and sacks. 2010: $395,000, 2011: $757,500, 2012: $1.12 million, 2013: $1.4825 million, 2014: $1.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Looks to me like they would save around $5 million.

$15 million is already lost, no matter how you look at it.

If he continues to suck like he does now, he won't see the whole $7.4 million. But let's be arbitrary, and say he earns all of that. If you add up 2010 - 2014 salaries (5 years), it's just over $5 million (The 395K from this year is now guaranteed).

The grand total (including this year) is about $12.5 million. On the payroll, that's about $2.5 million a year. That's peanuts in this league, and won't affect our flexibility in any way. Cutting Maybin this early is stupid (and I hate Maybin).

Yea yea, "Ralph is cheap," but Maybin's guaranteed money has already done the most damage.

[mikemac2001]

Pretty sure stats don't matter but james harrison first couple years didn't really do much. pretty sure steelers were glad they kept him sure developed into a good olb.
3rd year didn't even start and had 0 sacks.


just trying to point out why cutting someone year 2 is INSANE

i dont like maybin because he acts like he has done so much but i do believe he can develop


Career Stats more
Season Team Tackles Interceptions Fumbles

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2010 Pittsburgh Steelers 3 3 23 17 6 3.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 79 60 19 10.0 -- 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 5
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 15 101 67 34 16.0 1 3 1 33 33.0 33 0 7
2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 98 76 22 8.5 -- 3 1 20 20.0 20 0 7
2006 Pittsburgh Steelers 11 1 20 14 6 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 3 45 36 9 3.0 -- 3 1 25 25.0 25 0 0
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 4 45 36 9 1.0 0 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 1 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- --
TOTAL 411 306 105 -- 1 13 -- 78 -- 33 0 21

[Ebenezer]

Pretty sure stats don't matter but james harrison first couple years didn't really do much. pretty sure steelers were glad they kept him sure developed into a good olb.
3rd year didn't even start and had 0 sacks.


just trying to point out why cutting someone year 2 is INSANE

i dont like maybin because he acts like he has done so much but i do believe he can develop


Career Stats more
Season Team Tackles Interceptions Fumbles

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2010 Pittsburgh Steelers 3 3 23 17 6 3.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 79 60 19 10.0 -- 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 5
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 15 101 67 34 16.0 1 3 1 33 33.0 33 0 7
2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 98 76 22 8.5 -- 3 1 20 20.0 20 0 7
2006 Pittsburgh Steelers 11 1 20 14 6 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 3 45 36 9 3.0 -- 3 1 25 25.0 25 0 0
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 4 45 36 9 1.0 0 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 1 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- --
TOTAL 411 306 105 -- 1 13 -- 78 -- 33 0 21



I believe he was injured for most of '02 and '03.

[mikemac2001]

I believe he was injured for most of '02 and '03.


ok what did he do in 04 05 06 nothing

[raphael120]

id cut whitner before i'd cut maybin. whitners had his "audition"

[mchurchfie]

id cut whitner before i'd cut maybin. whitners had his "audition"
Another Marv Levy "rough in the diamond.":hang:

[billz83]

i think we need to CUT ANYONE AND EVERYONE that doesnt belong on a super bowl roster..END OF STORY!

[Historian]

If anything, trade Whitner to the Edmonton Eskimos for a case of Labatts....

[Night Train]

I'm thinking Kelsay and they're EXTENDING him !

Knock,knock..

[YardRat]

Too early to cut Maybin...there's other dead wood that needs to be cleaned out before him.

[Hogwasher]

I think you raise a good point, that project players can improve and succeed after their first couple years. Maybin can improve, but does not seem able to change his slender physique. He is a sunk cost with limited upside. We will certainly be trying to replace him asap.

James Harrison is an example of a player who drastically changed his physique after several years in the league, likely due to steroid use.

[psubills62]

When is it Maybin's turn?

I can't believe this thread was started without mentioning the 52 other pieces of crap on our roster. Seriously, Maybin before McCargo?

It will be Maybin's turn in 1 year at most.

[Mad Max]

1.)Kelsay. How bad does this guy have to be in order for him to be cut?


2.)Cornell Green. Technically he's not a bust since we didn't draft him, but he has to go.

3.)POZ. >If< he gets hurt again this season, we can't keep wasting a roster spot on guy that can't stay on the field.


That's all for now. Whitner and Ellison would be next..but we have no suitable replacements for them as we do for Kelsay and Green.

[Mr. Pink]

The Buffalo Bills where people can come play football for years when they have no business being in the league!

[Mad Max]

The Buffalo Bills where people can come play football for years when they have no business being in the league!

The Buffalo Bills, where mediocrity happens.