Old Timers:

[Historian]

Compare and contrast this team with the 1984 and 1985 squads.

Compare offenses, and special teams. Pay special attention to the coaching staffs.

Show your work.

Partial credit will be given for responses that only deal with one side of the ball.

Good Luck.

[Cntrygal]

Re: Old Timers:

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: Old Timers:

At 29, you are too young to be an old-timer

[Cntrygal]

Re: Old Timers:

At 29, you are too young to be an old-timer

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Old Timers:

Can I compare to a different team who I think this team more resembles than the 84 Bills instead?

1981 Baltimore Colts.

Also drafted a RB in round 1 before the season.

Gave up 533 points, we're on pace to give up 500.

Let go of their starting QB after the season instead of during.

Already had a young capable NFL RB in Curtis Dickey while still drafting a RB in Rd1.

Impending lockout the following season.

Team moved 3 years later to Indy, the Bills moving in 3 years is still a very distinct possibility.

Both had HCs that had no business being a HC.

Also both teams had bottom 3 NFL offenses.

[EricStratton]

Re: Old Timers:

Good thread Dave and although I was only 2 at the time I'll take a crack later when I have more time to think.

The one thing with coaches is some comparisons can be drawn between Chan and the early Marv years in terms of their pedigree.

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: Old Timers:

Good thread Dave and although I was only 2 at the time I'll take a crack later when I have more time to think.

The one thing with coaches is some comparisons can be drawn between Chan and the early Marv years in terms of their pedigree.

*cough*bull*****cough*

[Ebenezer]

Re: Old Timers:

The '84 team was bad but in a disappointing sort of way. They were 8-8 in '83 and falling back to 2-14 "happened". Since it was a one year thing after some mostly successful years people were not as upset. '85 was a cluster **** of epic proportions. That team had nothing and it kept getting worse. Compare and contrast:

HC:
85 - Hank Bullough
10 - Chan Gailey

Both are hard to understand (albeit for different reasons). Bullough was a blow hard that couldn't put a sentence together. Gailey simply has an accent. Both preached "hard working, nose to the grindstone" football but neither delievered. Gailey's team is at least a little disciplined.

QB:
85 - Vince Ferragamo
10 - Trent Edwards

Both were brought in/back under new coordinators in an attempt to resurrect their careers. Epic failure on both parts. VF could at least chuck the ball downfield. Both wore #5 (may they be the last Bills to EVER wear it again). Both were cut during the season never to see the light of day of an NFL starter ever again. Succession became a list of journeymen that fans prayed would be a savior.

OL
85 - Swiss cheese
10 - Swiss cheese

Both inept at pass blocking.

ST
85 - Good punter and above average PK
10 - Good punter and above average PK

Moorman might simply be the best player on the team except for Spiller. The same could be said for John Kidd. Both even hold for place kicks. Coverage teams were/are suspect but the return game isn't bad because it gets a lot of practice. Both, prone to fumbling.

do I need to go on? I am really depressed now.

Having lived through both - believe it or not this team is worse.

[SABURZFAN]

Re: Old Timers:

Compare and contrast this team with the 1984 and 1985 squads.

Compare offenses, and special teams. Pay special attention to the coaching staffs.

Show your work.

Partial credit will be given for responses that only deal with one side of the ball.

Good Luck.

this team makes the 1971 1-13 team look like a powerhouse.

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Old Timers:

Chan Gailey is Hank Bullough.

[Ingtar33]

Re: Old Timers:

Yeah... i remember 85 fairly well, and i don't remember that team being as talent deprived as this one. there were some bright spots... and that team... while cover your face bad... atleast tried sometimes.

Last year i felt was about as bad (maybe even a little worse) as 85... this year feels much much worse then 85

[Historian]

Re: Old Timers:

Keep in mind 1985 had a chubby rookie named Bruce Smith, as well as a rookie WR named Andre Reed.

Well done brother Ebeneezer.

[Historian]

Re: Old Timers:

And remember Sabs, the 1971 team which went 1-13 was shut out FOUR TIMES, lol.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Re: Old Timers:

I went to every game in 84 and 85, we use to buy extra tickets from the bus drivers and would go and sit in the last row under the scoreboard. I was 14 years old when we started and didn't care that the team stunk, we just loved having fun at the games. However, those 84 and 85 teams were what gave us the early 90s teams.

[SABuffalo786]

Re: Old Timers:

Can I compare to a different team who I think this team more resembles than the 84 Bills instead?

1981 Baltimore Colts.

Also drafted a RB in round 1 before the season.

Gave up 533 points, we're on pace to give up 500.

Let go of their starting QB after the season instead of during.

Already had a young capable NFL RB in Curtis Dickey while still drafting a RB in Rd1.

Impending lockout the following season.

Team moved 3 years later to Indy, the Bills moving in 3 years is still a very distinct possibility.

Both had HCs that had no business being a HC.

Also both teams had bottom 3 NFL offenses.

Really scary.