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  • malo
    Registered User
    • Sep 2009
    • 754

    Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

    I'd say Lynch is above average talent, no?

    I’d like to know what percentage of 4th round draft picks end up being better than average. I’d be willing to guess it’s a small percentage. I don’t see why the value of a proven talent isn’t more than the gamble of a draft pick. Same with the Randy Moss trade. I think it’s a product of the monkey see, monkey do, behavior that’s rampant in the NFL. I don't understand why the value of a draft pick is so high.

    Buddy Nix is a buffoon.

  • Jan Reimers
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    • May 2003
    • 17353

    #2
    Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

    Originally posted by malo
    I'd say Lynch is above average talent, no?

    I’d like to know what percentage of 4th round draft picks end up being better than average. I’d be willing to guess it’s a small percentage. I don’t see why the value of a proven talent isn’t more than the gamble of a draft pick. Same with the Randy Moss trade. I think it’s a product of the monkey see, monkey do, behavior that’s rampant in the NFL. I don't understand why the value of a draft pick is so high.
    For once, I agree with you, and have said pretty much the same thing. I don't understand dumping a 24 year old, power runner with 2 1,000 rushing seasons for a couple of mid/low draft picks who may never amount to crap.
    Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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    • Ebenezer
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      • Jul 2002
      • 73867

      #3
      Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

      1,000 yard seasons don't mean anything any more. You can never run for 100 yards in a game and still get a 1000.




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      • Stewie
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        • Aug 2002
        • 11567

        #4
        Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

        You guys are assuming there are no extenuating circumstances. In NE, Randy didn't want to be there without a new contract, and it looks like they didn't want it be a distraction. Maybe Marshawn just wore out his welcome in Buffalo. It happens.
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        • Mr. Pink
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          • Mar 2006
          • 35303

          #5
          Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

          Lynch is and was a dime a dozen NFL RB.

          They can be found in every round of the NFL draft.

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          • ServoBillieves
            The Voice of Reason
            • Jul 2007
            • 6106

            #6
            Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

            Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!
            Lynch is and was a dime a dozen NFL RB.

            They can be found in every round of the NFL draft.
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            • Buddo
              Registered User
              • Mar 2007
              • 1864

              #7
              Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

              Originally posted by malo
              I'd say Lynch is above average talent, no?

              I’d like to know what percentage of 4th round draft picks end up being better than average. I’d be willing to guess it’s a small percentage. I don’t see why the value of a proven talent isn’t more than the gamble of a draft pick. Same with the Randy Moss trade. I think it’s a product of the monkey see, monkey do, behavior that’s rampant in the NFL. I don't understand why the value of a draft pick is so high.
              There are probably a plethora of reasons. You can start with the one where he's got a target on his back from his 'previous'.
              Additional picks come in very useful when a team actually has a specific player in mind.
              Joe Montana was a 4th rounder I believe....
              Every team needs guys who simply 'do a job'. You get these with the mid to lower round picks (in theory).
              Draft picks after the first round, work out to be fairly inexpensive in the short term.
              Attitudes, mindsets etc. can also come into play, especially if there's a feeling that someone can become a distraction. Team 'chemistry' is important.

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              • better days
                Registered User
                • Jan 2010
                • 22028

                #8
                Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                Anyone that thinks this was a good trade name me one 4th rnd pick in the last 10 years by the Bills that would be better than Lynch.

                If Nix is as bad at drafting as some on this board think, this was a BAD trade.

                Unless Nix has a great draft next year, I will join the Nix haters club because of this trade & the Kelsey contract.

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                • Ed
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                  • Sep 2002
                  • 9247

                  #9
                  Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                  You don't think trading for a guy that's one bad decision away from an 8-16 game suspension is a gamble?

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                  • Ed
                    Dude
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 9247

                    #10
                    Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                    Originally posted by better days
                    Anyone that thinks this was a good trade name me one 4th rnd pick in the last 10 years by the Bills that would be better than Lynch.

                    If Nix is as bad at drafting as some on this board think, this was a BAD trade.

                    Unless Nix has a great draft next year, I will join the Nix haters club because of this trade & the Kelsey contract.
                    Well that's not really saying much since we haven't drafted well in any rounds over the last 10 years.

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                    • RoscoeMagic
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1831

                      #11
                      Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                      Originally posted by better days
                      Anyone that thinks this was a good trade name me one 4th rnd pick in the last 10 years by the Bills that would be better than Lynch.

                      If Nix is as bad at drafting as some on this board think, this was a BAD trade.

                      Unless Nix has a great draft next year, I will join the Nix haters club because of this trade & the Kelsey contract.
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                      • cocamide
                        Registered User
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2106

                        #12
                        Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                        Originally posted by Ebenezer
                        1,000 yard seasons don't mean anything any more. You can never run for 100 yards in a game and still get a 1000.
                        Thank you. One thousand yards can be achieved by averaging 62.5 yards per game; it's not very impressive.

                        We had three pretty damn good running backs, and with all of the holes on this squad, we should at least try to get something for one of those three backs and try to plug one of those holes. Will the fourth round pick amount to something great? Probably not. But in the long run, Lynch wasn't part of the plan, so why not trade him? We can at least use the pick to help plug one of our holes on the O or D lines.

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                        • Mr. Pink
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                          • Mar 2006
                          • 35303

                          #13
                          Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                          Originally posted by better days
                          Anyone that thinks this was a good trade name me one 4th rnd pick in the last 10 years by the Bills that would be better than Lynch.

                          If Nix is as bad at drafting as some on this board think, this was a BAD trade.

                          Unless Nix has a great draft next year, I will join the Nix haters club because of this trade & the Kelsey contract.

                          I can name a 5th round RB in the past 10 years that's just as good as Lynch that we drafted.

                          Sammy Morris.

                          Another dime a dozen average NFL RB.

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                          • OpIv37
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 101255

                            #14
                            Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                            Lots of things going on here.

                            First, player for player trades are very rare in the NFL, and current players are almost always valued less than draft picks. Ex, Lynch was a first-rounder 3 years ago, but we'd never get a first-rounder for him now. That's just how it goes.

                            Second, some of you overrate Lynch's performance. 1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. That's nothing spectacular. And while he's looking better, some people forget his complete decline last year. There is no guarantee he will ever return to that 1000 yard form.

                            Third, let's not forget that Lynch already has two strikes, which also lowers his value.

                            If NE got a 3rd for Moss, I'd say getting a 4th plus a conditional later round pick for Lynch is pretty damn good.

                            And in Moss' case, this is the last year of his contract. To keep him beyond this season, Minny will have to negotiate a multi-year deal with a HUGE cap hit. That lowers his trade value too because it adds risk to the team obtaining him.
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                            • Pinkerton Security
                              Pinkerton's son
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 6003

                              #15
                              Re: Value of Draft Pick - Is Something Wrong?

                              I agree with the OP though, this is becoming weird...

                              Santonio Holmes for a 4th rounder
                              Randy Moss for a 3rd and 7th
                              Marshawn for a 4th and conditional

                              Im sure there are more instances, but it seems like draft pick values are a bit on the steep side. However, when compared to these other 2 trades, we got a pretty good deal.

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