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  • Extremebillsfan247
    Registered User
    • Sep 2008
    • 3142

    Reputation and Luck

    During the telecast of USC vs Stanford, the commentators talked about what seems to me to be a disturbing possibility. With Buffalo's reputation around the football World at being an inept franchise, it is possible that if the Bills land the number 1 overall pick, that Luck may be talked out of entering the draft by his father and Jim Harbaugh.

    These commentators for whom I do not have names off the top of my head mentioned the struggles of Detroit after drafting Mathew Stafford, who also have a reputation similar to Buffalo. It was suggested that it could play a roll in Andrew Luck's decision on whether to enter the draft or not. It is sort of a way to dictate where he goes rather then who he is drafted by as they said.

    If Luck decides to stay at Stanford for another year, it is also likely that Ryan Mallet may follow suit because with Luck not being there to be drafted, he may end up here, and may not want to be, again because of that same reputation. That would leave us with Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and other QBs who may not be at the level of Luck, or Mallet.

    What scares me about this is how Ralph said yesterday that we will be looking for our future QB next year. If Luck, or Mallet are not there, it is possible that the Bills panic with their pick, get a QB just because it was what Ralph said we would do, and settle for less talent forcing us to reach on somebody. It's like watching a disaster unfold in slow motion.

    Of course, you could say this is overblown, there is no way that can happen etc. You may be right in claiming this is just jumping the gun. I for one hope this scenario never plays out, Luck comes out, and we ultimately have our franchise QB in the end. But with this organization, nothing should be considered an impossibility when it comes to draft picks and bad luck. lol JMO Thanks for reading.
  • mightysimi
    Buckle me in on the highway of sin
    • Mar 2010
    • 6334

    #2
    Re: Reputation and Luck

    We have a perfect example of why you shouldn't go back to school if you are projected as a high draft pick on our roster. Brohm killed his stock from staying in school. You could also say that Leinart would have been higher if he hadn't stayed.

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    • STRONG_BAD
      Registered User
      • Dec 2006
      • 60

      #3
      Re: Reputation and Luck

      Then we'll wait him out and go 0-16 next year.

      Who does he think he'll be drafted by, the Steelers or Patriots?

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      • Ingtar33
        Dances With Buffaloes
        • Sep 2002
        • 15469

        #4
        Re: Reputation and Luck

        Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247
        During the telecast of USC vs Stanford, the commentators talked about what seems to me to be a disturbing possibility. With Buffalo's reputation around the football World at being an inept franchise, it is possible that if the Bills land the number 1 overall pick, that Luck may be talked out of entering the draft by his father and Jim Harbaugh.

        These commentators for whom I do not have names off the top of my head mentioned the struggles of Detroit after drafting Mathew Stafford, who also have a reputation similar to Buffalo. It was suggested that it could play a roll in Andrew Luck's decision on whether to enter the draft or not. It is sort of a way to dictate where he goes rather then who he is drafted by as they said.

        If Luck decides to stay at Stanford for another year, it is also likely that Ryan Mallet may follow suit because with Luck not being there to be drafted, he may end up here, and may not want to be, again because of that same reputation. That would leave us with Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and other QBs who may not be at the level of Luck, or Mallet.

        What scares me about this is how Ralph said yesterday that we will be looking for our future QB next year. If Luck, or Mallet are not there, it is possible that the Bills panic with their pick, get a QB just because it was what Ralph said we would do, and settle for less talent forcing us to reach on somebody. It's like watching a disaster unfold in slow motion.

        Of course, you could say this is overblown, there is no way that can happen etc. You may be right in claiming this is just jumping the gun. I for one hope this scenario never plays out, Luck comes out, and we ultimately have our franchise QB in the end. But with this organization, nothing should be considered an impossibility when it comes to draft picks and bad luck. lol JMO Thanks for reading.
        I think this is extremely likely with Luck (if we're no.1 overall)

        Mallet will be leaving college this year. bank on it.
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        • TacklingDummy
          Unreachable Douche
          • Jul 2002
          • 71725

          #5
          Re: Reputation and Luck

          Originally posted by STRONG_BAD
          Then we'll wait him out and go 0-16 next year.

          Who does he think he'll be drafted by, the Steelers or Patriots?
          If the Bills don't draft Mallet this coming draft than they will draft Barkley the following year.

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          • Beebe's Kid
            Registered User
            • Nov 2009
            • 3134

            #6
            Re: Reputation and Luck

            Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247
            During the telecast of USC vs Stanford, the commentators talked about what seems to me to be a disturbing possibility. With Buffalo's reputation around the football World at being an inept franchise, it is possible that if the Bills land the number 1 overall pick, that Luck may be talked out of entering the draft by his father and Jim Harbaugh.

            These commentators for whom I do not have names off the top of my head mentioned the struggles of Detroit after drafting Mathew Stafford, who also have a reputation similar to Buffalo. It was suggested that it could play a roll in Andrew Luck's decision on whether to enter the draft or not. It is sort of a way to dictate where he goes rather then who he is drafted by as they said.

            If Luck decides to stay at Stanford for another year, it is also likely that Ryan Mallet may follow suit because with Luck not being there to be drafted, he may end up here, and may not want to be, again because of that same reputation. That would leave us with Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and other QBs who may not be at the level of Luck, or Mallet.

            What scares me about this is how Ralph said yesterday that we will be looking for our future QB next year. If Luck, or Mallet are not there, it is possible that the Bills panic with their pick, get a QB just because it was what Ralph said we would do, and settle for less talent forcing us to reach on somebody. It's like watching a disaster unfold in slow motion.

            Of course, you could say this is overblown, there is no way that can happen etc. You may be right in claiming this is just jumping the gun. I for one hope this scenario never plays out, Luck comes out, and we ultimately have our franchise QB in the end. But with this organization, nothing should be considered an impossibility when it comes to draft picks and bad luck. lol JMO Thanks for reading.
            Oh, this is absolutely a real fear. Eli Manning to San Diego comes to mind...also that guy that used to play for us, that Kelly fella.

            Not only do we have the cluster **** that is us to overcome, we also have the CBA working against us. I don't see anywhere near the normal amount of underclassmen declaring if there is no CBA in place.

            Can somebody clarify for me if this is a substantial fear, or could it work in our favor? In our favor...what I mean is would the lack of a CBA mean that there would be no rookie cap in place, yet, making it a bigger payday for underclassmen? That would be awesome. The draft would be filled with talent, and Luck would almost be a lock.

            Harbaugh is a good point...I wonder if he still has a hard on for the organization. Normally I would think we were all adults, but he did take the time to track down Jimbo to punch him in the face. Details are a little fuzzy on what happened then, but I am pretty sure Kelly put him in the Camel Clutch and Harbaugh tapped out.

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            • Bangarang
              Registered User
              • Sep 2010
              • 1686

              #7
              Re: Reputation and Luck

              There's always Adrien Clayborn to anchor our defense.

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              • Beebe's Kid
                Registered User
                • Nov 2009
                • 3134

                #8
                Re: Reputation and Luck

                Originally posted by STRONG_BAD
                Then we'll wait him out and go 0-16 next year.

                Who does he think he'll be drafted by, the Steelers or Patriots?
                Exactly... Manning lucked the **** out when he threw his tantrum. It is a rare instance where a great team either (A) needs a QB (B) has the top pick in the draft.

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                • Mski
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 6753

                  #9
                  Re: Reputation and Luck

                  i would rather have mallet over luck anyway, and with there being no football next year (likely) there's a posibility of us having back to back #1's, so luck's attempt to avoid us wouldn't work
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                  • superbills
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1170

                    #10
                    Re: Reputation and Luck

                    Originally posted by Beebe's Kid
                    Exactly... Manning lucked the **** out when he threw his tantrum. It is a rare instance where a great team either (A) needs a QB (B) has the top pick in the draft.
                    True that. Although he could get lucky (need I say no pun intended) and a team like the Cowboys could bottom-out given their offensive struggles this year, it's likely that he'll be faced with Cleveland, Buffalo, Carolina, and possibly Minnesota vying for his services. I'd throw Jacksonville in the mix there too, but right now they're middle of the pack draft-wise. The bottom line is, unless things really go south fast for a top-tier franchise or someone makes a wild trade come draft-time, Andrew is going to have to earn his stripes with the "dregs" of the league. The price you pay for being "Number 1".
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                    • superbills
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1170

                      #11
                      Re: Reputation and Luck

                      The defensive struggles of the Bills can't be discounted either and, given that, a scenario where the Bills take the top DE or LB in the draft and wait till round 2 or 3 to get a QB isn't too undesirable. We can avoid the Luck situation altogether by getting the best defensive player we can first and then someone like Nick Foles or Christian Ponder in round 2. In that scenario I could be a happy camper in April.
                      "The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
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                      • WeAreArthurMoates
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 1642

                        #12
                        Re: Reputation and Luck

                        Originally posted by superbills
                        The defensive struggles of the Bills can't be discounted either and, given that, a scenario where the Bills take the top DE or LB in the draft and wait till round 2 or 3 to get a QB isn't too undesirable. We can avoid the Luck situation altogether by getting the best defensive player we can first and then someone like Nick Foles or Christian Ponder in round 2. In that scenario I could be a happy camper in April.
                        Everytime I watch Ponder I get more and more impressed. He reminds me so much of Flutie its unreal. I'd love Ponder in the 2nd, too bad Quinn was suspended, he'd be worthy of top 3 consideration.

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                        • Saratoga Slim
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 4154

                          #13
                          Re: Reputation and Luck

                          I think the danger of Luck not declaring because of the lack of a CBA is a more real danger than not wanting to come to Buffalo.

                          If there is a CBA in place, it most likely will set parameters for rookie pay, so Luck will know that he's going to get about the same amount of $$ whether he gets drafted by Dan Snyder or Ralphie. After that, it's anyone's guess. Stafford didn't throw a tantrum about becoming a Lion, which is arguably a historically worse landing spot. Every top draft pick knows he's going to be in a bad situation for a few years. sitting out the draft would be gambling that his stock is as high after another year of college ball. And he'd be taking that risk without having any idea whether the team that picks 1st in 2012 is going to be any better of a situation for him.

                          My prediction is that if he stays in school, it's about the uncertainty regarding the CBA. I think that if he's OK with the CBA situation, it's most likely that he'd enter the draft, and then see where the chips fell. If he's a dick and has a problem with Buffalo, then we might see an Eli Manning situation. In which case, enjoy some very high extra draft picks if he forces a trade.
                          Last edited by Saratoga Slim; 10-12-2010, 02:38 PM.
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                          • Jamiezzz
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 49

                            #14
                            Re: Reputation and Luck

                            If he is rated no.1 on draft boards, he would be silly not to come out...Anything can happen if he stays in school....injury..etc

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                            • mrbojanglezs
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 1465

                              #15
                              Re: Reputation and Luck

                              Originally posted by Mski
                              i would rather have mallet over luck anyway, and with there being no football next year (likely) there's a posibility of us having back to back #1's, so luck's attempt to avoid us wouldn't work
                              i doubt any lockout would last the whole year

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