Malletheads and Locker's loonies....

[Mad Max]

#12 Arkansas (Mallett) Vs. #7 Auburn. Auburn has a pretty good passrush, we'll see how Mallett responds.

watch it online at 3:30 PM EST http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/sec-live


Boston College Vs. #17 Florida State (Ponder). FSU is a 21.5 point favorite.

watch it online at Noon EST http://espn.go.com/espn3/


#24 Oregon State Vs. Washington (Locker).

watch it online at 10:15 PM EST http://espn.go.com/espn3/


Stanford (Luck) is off this week.

[Mad Max]

Looks like X's boy Gabbert is playing as well.

#21 Missouri (Gabbert) Vs. Texas A&M

watch it online at Noon EST http://www.firstrow.net/watch/32262/1/watch-texas-a&m-vs-missouri.html

[TacklingDummy]

Barkley(USC) plays at 3:30 against Cal

[X-Era]

Looks like X's boy Gabbert is playing as well.

#21 Missouri (Gabbert) Vs. Texas A&M

watch it online at Noon EST http://www.firstrow.net/watch/32262/1/watch-texas-a&m-vs-missouri.htmlKids got a huge arm and is a scrapper. The play calling has been dumb so far. They run the spread so you will see lots of dink and dunk (not Blaines fault). But watch the zip when he throws the intermediate and long routes. The other part I like is what he can do on the run and how he seems to make plays when the pocket collapses and keeps the chains moving.

The way the Bills have been spreading the O out, this guy may be able to fit right in.

[X-Era]

Converts a 2nd and 22... tune in. Love the touch on the throws to the TE, lofting it over the LB'ers.

Gabbert by the way.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?p=3290932#post3290932

[X-Era]

Gabbert: 12 of 15 117 yards and 1 TD in the 1st quarter.

I'm more interested in seeing him next week against Oklahoma and the following week against Nebraska. For the Bills, in the AFC East, we have tough games where we are the under dogs all the time, we need a QB who can rise to the occasion.

[Yasgur's Farm]

A Bills scouts is reportedly taking in the Illinois vs Michigan State game.
Link (http://twitter.com/ChrisSteuber/status/27442069131#)

[X-Era]

This is really meant more for the Scouting Zone, Im going to move this over to there.

[YardRat]

Bad pass by Ponder---inside shoulder instead of outside shoulder = pick.

[Ed]

Ha my first time watching Ponder and the very first pass I see him throw is an INT.

[X-Era]

Bad pass by Ponder---inside shoulder instead of outside shoulder = pick.Let me know how he does, Im watching Gabbert.

[X-Era]

Mizzou head coach says Gabbert is one of the toughest kids he's ever been around.

[Mad Max]

Converts a 2nd and 22... tune in. Love the touch on the throws to the TE, lofting it over the LB'ers.

Gabbert by the way.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?p=3290932#post3290932


Are you using another link, the one I posted is acting funny.

[X-Era]

Are you using another link, the one I posted is acting funny.Im watching on DirectTV.

[Mad Max]

Im watching on DirectTV.

I never thought I'd miss those Direct ThieVes...but I do.

[Ed]

I love Directv. I'm switching back and forth between Mizzou and Florida St. So far I'm more impressed with Gabbert, but that's based on very limited action.

[mikemac2001]

i can never get espn 3 to work it annoys me

[X-Era]

I love Directv. I'm switching back and forth between Mizzou and Florida St. So far I'm more impressed with Gabbert, but that's based on very limited action.A bit off target in the 2nd quarter so far... but he's kept the chains moving.

Another TD... this one a run.

[X-Era]

Gabbert: 18 of 25, 172, 1 TD, still in the 2nd.

[Mad Max]

i can never get espn 3 to work it annoys me

-do you have the latest version of Flash installed?

-do you have decent bandwidth? 3mbits or so

-do you have the right online password for your cable company?

[Mad Max]

Ponder has a very nice scoring drive....showed nice mobility, and acuracy.

[X-Era]

Gabbert at the half: 22/33 for 233 and 1 TD.

Quick observations: A few throws a bit off target, showed his arm strength, showed touch on several TE passes. Better in the 1st half than in the 2nd. On the goal line he went under center for the 1st time in the game and almost fumbled the snap. He will need to show teams that he can develop an ability to be under center; they never use him that way.

[mikemac2001]

-do you have the latest version of Flash installed?

-do you have decent bandwidth? 3mbits or so

-do you have the right online password for your cable company?


idk what we use at work and no i dont have frontier at home

[mikemac2001]

Ponder has a very nice scoring drive....showed nice mobility, and acuracy.


how was his spelling?

:peace:

[Mad Max]

how was his spelling?

:peace:

very inacurate

[Mad Max]

idk what we use at work and no i dont have frontier at home


I actually don't have cable...what I did is borrow a friends Verizon username and password.

Works like a champ.

[Mad Max]

Gabbert at the half: 22/33 for 233 and 1 TD.

Quick observations: A few throws a bit off target, showed his arm strength, showed touch on several TE passes. Better in the 1st half than in the 2nd. On the goal line he went under center for the 1st time in the game and almost fumbled the snap. He will need to show teams that he can develop an ability to be under center; they never use him that way.

I don't know why A.) QB's with NFL aspirations go to programs where they play those kind of offenses.

B.) Why college programs don't use more pro style sets to help their guys get to the next level....it would help recruiting as well.

[X-Era]

I don't know why A.) QB's with NFL aspirations go to programs where they play those kind of offenses.

B.) Why college programs don't use more pro style sets to help their guys get to the next level....it would help recruiting as well.

Getting a guy from the spread doesn't bother me. Fitz has been in the spread quite a bit this year. But teams will want to know that their investment can fit in a pro-style offense. Theres no reason he cant learn to take snaps, of course he can.

[Mad Max]

Ponder tipped ball pick 6. Lots of heat coming at him from the defense...also his WR pussed out.

[YardRat]

Ouch...killer pick by Ponder, the third since the TD drive.

[Mad Max]

I'm not liking this effort thus far by Ponder or FSU in general..they should be killing these bums.

[X-Era]

Gabbert is pounding A&M... 28/32, 322 and 2 TD's... make it 3 TD's... and 29/42 for 352 and were not even into the 4th yet.

[Mad Max]

Gabbert is pounding A&M... 28/32, 322 and 2 TD's... make it 3 TD's... and 29/42 for 352 and were not even into the 4th yet.

That's the game I wanted to watch..just couldn't get it to work.

Thought I'd see if I could see what our FSU guys see in Ponder. Whatever it is...I don't see it.

[X-Era]

That's the game I wanted to watch..just couldn't get it to work.

Thought I'd see if I could see what our FSU guys see in Ponder. Whatever it is...I don't see it.
Dont worry, next week Mizzou plays Oklahoma and it will be on ABC. If he can play well, even in a loss against Oklahoma and Nebraska the next week, he will be moving up on my board... right now I see him as an early 2nd rounder.

[Mad Max]

Dont worry, next week Mizzou plays Oklahoma and it will be on ABC. If he can play well, even in a loss against Oklahoma and Nebraska the next week, he will be moving up on my board... right now I see him as an early 2nd rounder.

He's got the size, he sounds like a leader (Youtube), he has heart (talked about how his hip pointer is no worry, football's a tough game), he wins.

And of what I've read he's got arm strength and mobility. After I watch him play a couple of times I may be jumping on your bandwagon.

[X-Era]

He takes a big hit and still is in the game even with the injury... showing real grit and toughness... and then gets blasted by Von Miller and yet still stays in.

[Mad Max]

He takes a big hit and still is in the game even with the injury... showing real grit and toughness... and then gets blasted by Von Miller and yet still stays in.

I'm going to watch the Iowa/ Michigan game to check out Clayborn. Who knows if Luck stays in it may be a blessing in disguise. Clayborn first round, Gabbert second round? A beast DE and a franchise QB in the same draft by the Bills?

[Ed]

Who's Clayborn?

[Dujek]

Mallet strikes. 8 yard TD pass.

[Mad Max]

Who's Clayborn?


Top DE prospect.

[mikemac2001]

mallet hurt?

[Mad Max]

Barkley(USC) plays at 3:30 against Cal

Be careful Dummy you may have to turn your schtick on Barkley to the real deal. He torched Cal for 5 TDs, yikes.

[methos4ever]

Petrino said it was a "head" injury....

[YardRat]

Soooo.....Does Wilson's performance thus far drop Mallett's stock any?

Another TD....This kid is looking pretty good himself.

[Mr. Pink]

Tyler Wilson looks even better than Mallet.

[methos4ever]

Yet another TD...15/17, 270 yards. This kid is ridiculous.

[X-Era]

He's only a sophomore, he's got time to learn. He's got guts, I'll give him that. But the Bynes pick was really bad.

[X-Era]

Maybe I should have said those picks.

[Mr. Pink]

Maybe I should have said those picks.


It doesn't help that his receiver stopped on the route.

Even though it would have likely been picked off anyways.

[k-oneputt]

This kid has mad skills. Not saying he doesn't need some polish but his upside is huge.
Steve Young reborn.

I will be very happy w/ Locker.

[tampabay25690]

Who's Clayborn?

Your kidding right?

[tampabay25690]

This kid has mad skills. Not saying he doesn't need some polish but his upside is huge.
Steve Young reborn.

I will be very happy w/ Locker.

I still have Locker #1 in my book the guy has huge upside....

[MikeMacie]

So that Locker guy is having a pretty good game so far

[mikemac2001]

Hell ya first time I got to watch him

He has a cannon

[tampabay25690]

So that Locker guy is having a pretty good game so far

So far his best game of the year vs a pretty good opponent.

[tampabay25690]

Hell ya first time I got to watch him

He has a cannon

Yes he does...Is great moving around aas well...
The 1 thing he lacks is accuracy at times..

[mikemac2001]

ya the pass rolling to his left was nice also the TD on the comeback he was rolling out both were thrown on a line.

the bomb was placed perfect but idk what this coach is calling he is playing cautious now

[X-Era]

I want to see Locker go through progressions. Watch his head. Is he locking solely onto the primary guy or is he go through the options? Show me he can read a defense and find the most open guy. That's what I want to see. The physical ability is all there, I have no question of that.

[mikemac2001]

His line is bad no time to even go through progressions

[mikemac2001]

He shouldn't have fumbled but WTF is this line doing

First time watching them and it's driving
Me nuts I just want To see him drop back

[k-oneputt]

Progressions ??? His line ****** stinks. He doesn't have time.

[k-oneputt]

Anyone who doesn't think this kid can play is clueless.

[Ingtar33]

He shouldn't have fumbled but WTF is this line doing

First time watching them and it's driving
Me nuts I just want To see him drop back

even when Locker gets time in the pocket if his first read isn't there he takes off. this guy looks like Jay Cutler did in college.. only worse. Cutler at least looked like he could get past his first target before taking off.

That said he does look amazing throwing on the run... shame the concept of "touch" is foreign to him... but from what i saw of him tonight (thank you TiVo) he looked like a late 2nd early 3rd...

Though he has the physical tools to get massively over-rated and get drafted in round 1. huge bust potential.

I guess mallet was hurt... i'd like to see Missou sometime as well.

[Beebe's Kid]

Mallet is concussed...that's not a good start.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Locker was sick today!

[TacklingDummy]

Be careful Dummy you may have to turn your schtick on Barkley to the real deal. He torched Cal for 5 TDs, yikes.
Pass on QB this year, Barkley in 2012!!!

[TacklingDummy]

Locker was good yesterday, Barkely was better.

[X-Era]

His line is bad no time to even go through progressionsI understand your point, but teams will want to know that he can do it.

[X-Era]

even when Locker gets time in the pocket if his first read isn't there he takes off. this guy looks like Jay Cutler did in college.. only worse. Cutler at least looked like he could get past his first target before taking off.

That said he does look amazing throwing on the run... shame the concept of "touch" is foreign to him... but from what i saw of him tonight (thank you TiVo) he looked like a late 2nd early 3rd...

Though he has the physical tools to get massively over-rated and get drafted in round 1. huge bust potential.

I guess mallet was hurt... i'd like to see Missou sometime as well.Next week, Mizzou vs. Oklahoma on ABC.

[mikemac2001]

I was trying to watch his progressions in 2nd half only saw it a couple times but he was also getting swarmed. Also a lot of runs and quick throws hard to move on to 2nd or 3rd wr on 3 steps

[X-Era]

I was trying to watch his progressions in 2nd half only saw it a couple times but he was also getting swarmed. Also a lot of runs and quick throws hard to move on to 2nd or 3rd wr on 3 steps
The Kearse TD in overtime is an example. Great throw, on the money, and obviously successful at a crucial point. But if you watch the replay, he never looked anywhere else. He locked on to him and threw a quick strike. If his primary guy is open, he will do fine in the NFL. But what happens when that guy isn't open? If his answer is to run, he may have a short career due to injury. The NFL is about matchups and in any game he will need to be able to find the open guy which may or may not be the primary option. Thats how he will keep the chains moving and keep a defense on its heels. Having the ability to read defenses and find open guys is one of the most important parts of being a successful NFL QB. I want to be clear though, I'm not saying Locker cant do it. I'm saying I need to see much more of him doing it to answer that question mark I have on him.

[mikemac2001]

That's the first time I watched him and didn't look for it in first half

All I saw was quick passes and if it wasn't he was swarmed I know what your saying he has to
Move
Safeties and zones around with his eyes but with his team right now he can't really sit there. Plus the only game i watched was a man blitzing team

[X-Era]

That's the first time I watched him and didn't look for it in first half

All I saw was quick passes and if it wasn't he was swarmed I know what your saying he has to
Move
Safeties and zones around with his eyes but with his team right now he can't really sit there. Plus the only game i watched was a man blitzing teamThe toss to Polk to the 5 that was called back due to holding... looked like he looked to he far left while moving up into the collapsing pocket and then threw over the middle. Its tough to see but it looks like the primary guy was to the far left. If thats the case, this would be an example of finding the open guy and it was when he was pressured and moving up into the pocket.

Im watching the replay right now and thats exactly what it was. He stared at the far left and then came back over the middle... Thats a good read.

[X-Era]

And on the following play which basically sealed the win... the big throw to Kearse for the winning TD, he never looked off Kearse.

[X-Era]

My current take on Locker is this:

Lockers game consists of throwing to the primary guy or running.

That's where he hurts you. He can make any throw, he can hurt you with his legs, and he will dodge sacks with his mobility. However, thats not enough for me to be convinced he can lead an NFL team. I agree that he usually doesn't have time to throw and that his offense is based on quick throws. It could be that he is perfectly capable of reading a D and finding the open guy, but it simply must be proven to any team that wants to draft him.

The reason you hear names like Luck and Ponder is because they show (and are put in a situation to show) the ability to go through progressions. Luck is very very good at it, Ponder has shown it as well. Personally, I'm not a big Ponder fan, but thats a positive part of his game and its very important.

As with any draft class, each player has pluses and minuses to varying degrees. Mallett and Gabbert have shown the ability to go through progressions. Not at the level that Luck has, but more than Locker. Each player has a concern, Locker's is his ability to read defenses and go through progressions IMO.

[k-oneputt]

Thank god you guys don't draft for the Bills.
Then again the Bills can't draft either.

Locker is way better then at least half of the qb's starting right now in the NFL.

[tampabay25690]

Thank god you guys don't draft for the Bills.
Then again the Bills can't draft either.

Locker is way better then at least half of the qb's starting right now in the NFL.

I wouldn't go that far.
Im a huge LOCKER guy but he has some work to do.
I Luv his future in the NFL and I hope it's in Buffalo. He would make the Ralph very exciting again....

[k-oneputt]

With a training camp, easy.

[k-oneputt]

Some of these guys want the Iowa d-linemen. WHAT ????
That guy will be a solid player but he's not Bruce Smith.
With the 1st pick you go qb.

[X-Era]

Gabbert is now playing the #1 ranked team in the nation next week... BCS came out with Okl. on top.

I dont think Mizzou can win but winning isn't the only thing to watch for for Gabbert. Its about individual play.

[tampabay25690]

Gabbert is now playing the #1 ranked team in the nation next week... BCS came out with Okl. on top.

I dont think Mizzou can win but winning isn't the only thing to watch for for Gabbert. Its about individual play.

BCS poll means absoulutely nothing right now.....
Still think Bama is the best team in the Nation but Oklahoma can have #1 on paper right now...

[Bangarang]

If Luck doesn't come out this year, then I would happy a really happy clam if we drafted Clayborn with our 1st and took Gabbert with our 2nd.

[tampabay25690]

If Luck doesn't come out this year, then I would happy a really happy clam if we drafted Clayborn with our 1st and took Gabbert with our 2nd.

I would be fine with that but then we don't have our franchise QB.
If we draft in the top 1 or 2 you need to put your $$ in a QB and there should be 2there Locker and Luck...

[DesertFox24]

X-era, where do you think Gabbert would go if he comes out. I would love for us to get Clayborn to play RE and then draft Gabbert or a RT with our second rounder.

Personally I think the best option for the bills is to sign Mike Vick as out QB, and then draft a guy and develop him in the later rounds like Mike Hartline, or wait till next year.

X-era what do you think of Hartline from Kentucky?

[Mad Max]

I would be fine with that but then we don't have our franchise QB.

You're making the statement that if you don't draft a QB with a high first round pick then you won't get a Franchise type guy? Montana, Brees, Brady, Favre, Warner all may disagree. All clearly Franchise guys, who just happened to also win 10 Super-Bowls combined and going to 13.




If we draft in the top 1 or 2 you need to put your $$ in a QB and there should be 2there Locker and Luck...

You need to put your money into the right guy, not automatically grab the guy who plays the position you need the most help in.

We know you like Locker (I do too actually), but that doesn't mean that he's necessarily the right choice for us, or that there won't be other solid choices in the second round.

[k-oneputt]

Why wouldn't Locker be the right choice for us ?

[Mad Max]

Why wouldn't Locker be the right choice for us ?

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't (didn't) say he definitely wouldn't be the right choice.

There are many reasons however why I don't see him as a #1 overall though.

- He thinks run first. We know what happens to guys that run too quick in the NFL.

- He's inaccurate. Buffalo's weather isn't going to help that issue.

- Not a winner in college. I know his team sucks, but there's only so many times we can project this position forward.

- He doesn't have the comportment of a General, not like Manning, Favre, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Brady, Roethlisberger.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't (didn't) say he definitely wouldn't be the right choice.

There are many reasons however why I don't see him as a #1 overall though.

- He thinks run first. We know what happens to guys that run too quick in the NFL.

- He's inaccurate. Buffalo's weather isn't going to help that issue.

- Not a winner in college. I know his team sucks, but there's only so many times we can project this position forward.

- He doesn't have the comportment of a General, not like Manning, Favre, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Brady, Roethlisberger.

This is a 100% wrong. Locker scares me a little but this is the reason I would be satisfied with him. The dude leadership abilities is off the charts. People love playing for him and wills his team to victories.

[Mad Max]

This is a 100% wrong. Locker scares me a little but this is the reason I would be satisfied with him. The dude leadership abilities is off the charts. People love playing for him and wills his team to victories.

It's an intangible and therefore highly subjective, but there's a discernible difference between the top guys and the next tier in the way they handle themselves. Very hard to quantify, but very real nonetheless.

Edwards had leadership abilities, he was voted Captain by his peers. Where'd that get him/us?

No, I want the next Kelly...you knew (when he was in college) by listening to and watching that guy, that he beyond a doubt was a winner.

[k-oneputt]

Kelly missed half of his Sr. season at Miami when he was injured.
Did you happen to see him play ?

[Mad Max]

Kelly missed half of his Sr. season at Miami when he was injured.
Did you happen to see him play ?

What? What does that injury have to do with the price mangoes in Cancun?

He was an unequivocal leader, he had swagger, whatever "it" is he had it.

[k-oneputt]

Did you see him play ?

[Mad Max]

Did you see him play ?

Not in person. I was a young boy in another state. Did you? What's your point.

And you never told us why it is you like Locker so much.

Let's hear your reasoning for him.

[tampabay25690]

You're making the statement that if you don't draft a QB with a high first round pick then you won't get a Franchise type guy? Montana, Brees, Brady, Favre, Warner all may disagree. All clearly Franchise guys, who just happened to also win 10 Super-Bowls combined and going to 13.




You need to put your money into the right guy, not automatically grab the guy who plays the position you need the most help in.

We know you like Locker (I do too actually), but that doesn't mean that he's necessarily the right choice for us, or that there won't be other solid choices in the second round.

You named 4 guys yes all Franchise guys.....
I think the best way for this team to build is by getting that QB.
Who knows who it will be.....I will say that Mallett would not fit this system....
We have so many needs and they will not be filled in 1 year, but if we have the top 2 picks I think a QB is the best bet right now....

[k-oneputt]

Locker- can make all the throws, big, tough, mobile, carring a terrible team, and I believe he has the "it" factor.

I would compare him to a cross between Young/Farve.

[tampabay25690]

We could use so much it's not even funny...........
QB,LT, RT, DE, ILB, OLB, TE.....Who knows maybe we will draft 4 CB'S like we use to.

[tampabay25690]

Locker- can make all the throws, big, tough, mobile, carring a terrible team, and I believe he has the "it" factor.

I would compare him to a cross between Young/Farve.

I agree somewhat.
I don't know what it is about the guy but I would luv to see him playing for the Bills....
Very exciting to watch.........Vick like but not as fast and will bruise for extra yards.
A guy a defense has to account for on running with the ball....
That is huge because a Safety or LB has to stay close and opens up the field.....

[Mad Max]

Locker- can make all the throws, big, tough, mobile, carring a terrible team, and I believe he has the "it" factor.

I would compare him to a cross between Young/Farve.

Wow, quite the comparison.

Let's hope for our sakes he becomes half that if we take him (I'll take the Young half).

[k-oneputt]

Wow, quite the comparison.

Let's hope for our sakes he becomes half that if we take him (I'll take the Young half).

Physical abilities. Way he plays.
And yes, I would take half the Young half too.

[Ingtar33]

Locker- can make all the throws, big, tough, mobile, carring a terrible team, and I believe he has the "it" factor.

I would compare him to a cross between Young/Farve.

you mean the "IT" factor that lead his team to a loss to ASU on his home turf... an ASU team which hadn't beaten a D1-A team in 11 months? The last D1-A team ASU beat was... of course... Jake Locker's Washington team...

[k-oneputt]

you mean the "IT" factor that lead his team to a loss to ASU on his home turf... an ASU team which hadn't beaten a D1-A team in 11 months? The last D1-A team ASU beat was... of course... Jake Locker's Washington team...

No. I mean the "it" factor that single-handily carried his below average team to a victory over USC in LA, and to another victory in double ot over Oregon St. this past Sat.
Both games brought his team from behind late in the game by making plays both with his arm and legs. This kid doesn't slide short of the firstdown marker like most qb's.
If you have seen any of his games, you know his o-line is below avg, his receivers are below avg. and dropped at least a half dozen balls on Saturday, he has a pretty good rb in Polk, and a good offensive/qb coach who is bringing him along the last two years.