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  • THE END OF ALL DAYS
    The Allen Era has begun.... no looking back now, come hell or high water!
    • Feb 2005
    • 4525
    #1

    why is this so hard to understand....

    Lots of folks today saying we no longer need to draft QB as a priority...

    I think thats wrong thinking

    Fitz has played well.... but looking at his body of work you can see that he is not a franchise QB.... but hes an excellent guy to hold the spot as we develope a real franchis QB.

    So... you draft the franchise qb this year, let fitz play 1-2 years as we build the rest of our line (both O and D) and while we build, the franchise works in the system behind fitz so that we are not throwing him to the damn wolves to get killed in his first year and destroy him like every other qb we've had since Kelly.

    now 2years from now we've built the rest of the team up so the franchise qb now can step in with some solid support around him and suddenly we have a real football team.

    this just seems so simple to me.... right?
    In my day we did not have self-esteem... we had self-respect, and no more of it then we earned.
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  • imbondz
    Democrats are people too
    • Jan 2003
    • 26041
    #2
    Re: why is this so hard to understand....

    it never works that way. one bad game by Fitz, the rookie QB goes in, plays horrible, loses all confidence, career is screwed.

    make a decision and stick with it. if we draft a QB, he starts next season like Bradford this year. QB controversy's rarely work.
    My faith doesn’t make me perfect, it makes me forgiven.

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    • justasportsfan
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 71601
      #3
      Re: why is this so hard to understand....

      we need a franchise qb PERIOD!

      Kelly Holcomb threw for 429 yards a 3 tds in a playoff game.
      Last edited by justasportsfan; 10-25-2010, 11:35 AM.
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      • Yasgur's Farm
        Moderator
        • Feb 2005
        • 7091
        #4
        Re: why is this so hard to understand....

        There's nothing at all wrong with this offense... From the line to the wideouts... All are growing and getting better.

        That said... Our defense is clearly the need and should be top priority after this season. However... I've always been a "best player avaialable" guy with a little weight given to need... It's kinda like a BPA+Need=Pick formula.

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        • THE END OF ALL DAYS
          The Allen Era has begun.... no looking back now, come hell or high water!
          • Feb 2005
          • 4525
          #5
          Re: why is this so hard to understand....

          Originally posted by imbondz
          it never works that way. one bad game by Fitz, the rookie QB goes in, plays horrible, loses all confidence, career is screwed.

          make a decision and stick with it. if we draft a QB, he starts next season like Bradford this year. QB controversy's rarely work.
          I respectfully dissagree.... look at GreenBay with the way rogers sat behind farvre for 3 years
          In my day we did not have self-esteem... we had self-respect, and no more of it then we earned.

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          • Dr. Taylor Zaius
            Senior Zoner
            • Sep 2010
            • 805
            #6
            Re: why is this so hard to understand....

            Get a franchise QB *****

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            • imbondz
              Democrats are people too
              • Jan 2003
              • 26041
              #7
              Re: why is this so hard to understand....

              but favre compared to Fitz doesn't even make sense. there was no way rogers was going in if Favre had a bad game. it's just not the same scenario.
              My faith doesn’t make me perfect, it makes me forgiven.

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              • Yasgur's Farm
                Moderator
                • Feb 2005
                • 7091
                #8
                Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                That worked well for Favre/Rogers and Brees/Rivers... But I'm hard pressed to come up with more than that over the last 5 years.

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                • THE END OF ALL DAYS
                  The Allen Era has begun.... no looking back now, come hell or high water!
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 4525
                  #9
                  Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                  but the bills will be bad for at least 2 more years so playing fitz is not like we will miss the SB just because of that position
                  In my day we did not have self-esteem... we had self-respect, and no more of it then we earned.

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                  • Bangarang
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 1686
                    #10
                    Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                    Originally posted by keithtr
                    I respectfully dissagree.... look at GreenBay with the way rogers sat behind farvre for 3 years
                    That's the exception, not the rule.
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                    • DraftBoy
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 107443
                      #11
                      Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                      Imo the best situation for any QB is to sit a full year out and learn before playing. There are examples of success on both sides of the coin, but that is my personal preference.
                      COMING SOON...
                      Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                      We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                      • DraftBoy
                        Administrator
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 107443
                        #12
                        Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                        Originally posted by Bangarang
                        That's the exception, not the rule.
                        Palmer and McNair (RIP) both sat out as first too.
                        COMING SOON...
                        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                        We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                        • trapezeus
                          Legendary Zoner
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 19525
                          #13
                          Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                          and if you treat fitz right, he'll be a long term answer to being a part of the organization and not just a rotating member of people who come in and out.

                          i look at him as a good AVP option. AVP would have been fine as a gap filler while a new guy was groomed. however, we went bledsoe and that was that for him and he went into coaching.

                          i think fitz has the knowledgebase to be a good QB coach if he can be a good teacher.

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                          • Beebe's Kid
                            Registered User
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 3134
                            #14
                            Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                            I guess that when you look around the league there are plenty of QB's that took time to develop. Maybe Fitz took some time, and is developing.

                            There is one thing that he has that you can't teach, and that's balls. The guy leaves it all on the field. It wouldn't take very long to compile a list of "franchise" QB's that didn't work out because of no balls.

                            I don't "know" what we've got in Fitzy. I thought I had an idea, but it was very hard to "know," like so many say so flippantly.

                            I know that our offense couldn't move the ball, now we do. I also know it is not often that a team that puts as many points on the board as we do loses every game.

                            Here's the silver lining in this big debate...we don't have to make the decision today. Right now Fitz has the second highest QB rating in the NFL behind Peyton. Rating doesn't matter? That would be the argument, I suppose, but truth is, rating does matter.

                            Fitzy throws picks...He throws picks because he takes chances. I would have to think that he will develop in that area, and make better decisions. He's smart, we "know" that. Also...all of the great QB's throw picks. I am not saying Fitz is great...not by a long shot, but just pointing out that great QB's throw picks because they take chances, and have confidence. If those chances pay off more than not...you are great.

                            I have to say that Fitzy has surprised the **** out of me. I'll admit that I was ready to cut him in the preseason. I am not exactly ready to hang our future on him, but if he continues to produce, I would at least consider it.

                            Fitzy is smart, has balls, he can run, and has shown more accuracy than I ever imagined. Most importantly...he's a leader. I know Bills fans feel we need a QB, but we might have gotten lucky, and stumbled onto one. I am not giving him a key to the city yet, but if he continues his current pace the rest of the year, how do tell him he's out??

                            Assuming that everything remained the same and our offense ends the year looking like it did yesterday...I would go all D in the first couple rounds. Quicker payoff, and we are ****ing horrible. We could potentially build a monster D quickly, and be contending in a couple years.

                            There is a reason to watch the rest of these games...imagine that.

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                            • Beebe's Kid
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 3134
                              #15
                              Re: why is this so hard to understand....

                              Originally posted by trapezeus
                              and if you treat fitz right, he'll be a long term answer to being a part of the organization and not just a rotating member of people who come in and out.

                              i look at him as a good AVP option. AVP would have been fine as a gap filler while a new guy was groomed. however, we went bledsoe and that was that for him and he went into coaching.

                              i think fitz has the knowledgebase to be a good QB coach if he can be a good teacher.
                              I agree with you, except that AVP wasn't a fraction of the competitor that Fitzy is.

                              If Fitzy keeps up the way he's playing, he'll get a job and won't be able to pass it up, to carry the clipboard for a young kid making 60 mill.

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