Is it possible to have the least number of wins and NOT get the 1st overall??

[JD]

Please fill me in if I've missed something.. because I almost punched a friend out because he wouldn't shut the **** up about it last night.

He said if we win one-two games, the highest we would draft is 2nd or 3rd.. I'm convinced he must have had 4Loko's but who knows, maybe I'm wrong?

[T-Long]

Whoever has the least amount of wins gets the top pick. If there are numerous teams, then it's based on tie-breakers. You should have punched him

He must have been saying that b/c he thinks Carolina won't ever win again, which would mean then if we won a game or two, we would be picking 2nd because Carolina wins the tiebreaker against us based on our SOS

[hydro]

What the hell are you asking? Of course you get the first pick if you have the worst record. Only thing that changes that is if someone else has the same record and a worse strength of schedule.

[Beebe's Kid]

Dude...just punch your friend out. Worst record, first pick. A tie for the worst record is the only way, but that wouldn't be having the least amount of wins...that would be tying for the least amount of wins.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Yes, but only when there's an expansion team (which is what happened in 01-02). So this year... no. Your friend is an idiot.

[Mr. Pink]

Technically...yes.

You could tie, record wise, with another team who played a weaker schedule.

In the Bills case, this will make them lose out on the number 1 overall pick as they have thus far played one of, if not the hardest schedules in the NFL.

[Hogwasher]

That nucca loco fo dem locos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWWre8tn_U

[Cleve]

If there is a way to be the worst and not get the 1st pick, the Bills could find it. I'm becoming convinced the team is as jinxed as the Chicago Cubs.

[Ebenezer]

Got to look at the question asked. Is it possible to have the least number of wins and not get the first overall. Actually, in theory there probably is. Who has a better winning percentage? A team that goes 0-14-2 or a team that goes 1-15?

There has to be some sort of combination that would lead to the answer - but it would invovle a ****load of ties - which don't happen any more. Possible? Yes. Plausible? No.

[Ebenezer]

Got to look at the question asked. Is it possible to have the least number of wins and not get the first overall. Actually, in theory there probably is. Who has a better winning percentage? A team that goes 0-14-2 or a team that goes 1-15?

There has to be some sort of combination that would lead to the answer - but it would invovle a ****load of ties - which don't happen any more. Possible? Yes. Plausible? No.

If in fact, it is done by winning percentage then a 1-15 team would get the first pick over a team that went 0-13-3. Your friend would owe you a punch in the face.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

If in fact, it is done by winning percentage then a 1-15 team would get the first pick over a team that went 0-13-3. Your friend would owe you a punch in the face.
That assumes three ties in one season by one team is possible, when there hasn't been more than one in a season since they added sudden-death overtime in 1974. (Correction: there've been two seasons with two ties, but no team ever collected more than one of them.)

[Typ0]

That assumes three ties in one season by one team is possible, when there hasn't been more than one in a season since they added sudden-death overtime in 1974. (Correction: there've been two seasons with two ties, but no team ever collected more than one of them.)

I don't think it assumes anything it only says it's possible and it is. If you think a team going 0 - 0 - 16 is impossible it isn't. Impossibility means there is something that definitively stops it from happening. Empirically we would say that 3 ties is highly unlikely but not impossible.

[Beebe's Kid]

If in fact, it is done by winning percentage then a 1-15 team would get the first pick over a team that went 0-13-3. Your friend would owe you a punch in the face.

How is zero wins a higher winning percentage than 1. If you went 1-999 you would have a higher win percentage than if you were 0-1-1. Zero wins is a .000 win percentage.

Isn't it?

[psubills62]

How is zero wins a higher winning percentage than 1. If you went 1-999 you would have a higher win percentage than if you were 0-1-1. Zero wins is a .000 win percentage.

Isn't it?

Eb is counting a tie as half of a win. So going 0-13-3 actually counts as 1.5 wins. Which, after a quick check, is how the NFL does it. Look at Cincinnati's record in 2008: 4-11-1, for a 0.281 win percentage (= 4.5/16).

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2008-REG&split=Overall

[Mr. Pink]

How is zero wins a higher winning percentage than 1. If you went 1-999 you would have a higher win percentage than if you were 0-1-1. Zero wins is a .000 win percentage.

Isn't it?


That would mean ties would be meaningless in determining standings.

Like say the top two teams in a division are 10-5-1 and 10-6 respectively, who wins the division? The 10-5-1 team would.

Under what you said above both teams would have 10 wins and have the same winning percentage.

[Beebe's Kid]

Eb is counting a tie as half of a win. So going 0-13-3 actually counts as 1.5 wins. Which, after a quick check, is how the NFL does it. Look at Cincinnati's record in 2008: 4-11-1, for a 0.281 win percentage (= 4.5/16).

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2008-REG&split=Overall
Ok, that's what I was asking. Thank you.

I think I would have to cast a vote that win percentage then be figured against the 15 games that either resulted in a win or loss. That seems more fair to me.

[justasportsfan]

it's possible if the team with the least amount of wins trades away their pick. :D

[BlackMetalNinja]

I say let them punch each other in the face and we all win...

[airdog32]

settle row, sham, bo, style!!!!!!!!!!!

[jamze132]

Please fill me in if I've missed something.. because I almost punched a friend out because he wouldn't shut the **** up about it last night.

He said if we win one-two games, the highest we would draft is 2nd or 3rd.. I'm convinced he must have had 4Loko's but who knows, maybe I'm wrong?
Damn dude, almost everyone of your posts mentions 4Loko's.

[DrGraves]

you man card should be revoked for such lack of common man-knowledge

[Buffalogic]

Is it possible to win the final NFL game of the season and not be Superbowl champions?!?!?

[Novacane]

If there is a way to be the worst and not get the 1st pick, the Bills could find it. .


:rofl: No kidding!

[Forward_Lateral]

You should punch him out for being dumb enough to be your friend.