Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

[Forward_Lateral]

For the love of Christ. Nobody here is saying Fitz is going to lead the Buffalo Bills to a Superbowl title. The team has to fix A LOT of issues before it can even be considered a division and playoff contender.

Let's take small, baby steps, and concentrate on our beloved Bills improving each week, as they have for the past 6 or so, and take it from there. Nobody is anointing anyone a Superbowl winning QB. Fitz has played very well, and deserves kudos. Heck, he may end up being a franchise QB, or he may not. Regardless of that, we don't need people pointing out that he'll never win a Superbowl. That's not really much of a prediction, considering which team he plays for.

[cocamide]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

No need for threads like this. It's already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fitz = Thigpen. The logic presented in that thread was infallible, so it's inevitable that in a few years Fitz will be in Miami, where hopefully he won't end up winning a SuperBowl.

Oh, and \sarcasm.

[Borosai]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

Stating that Fitz isn't good enough appears to be trendy nowadays. That must be why people feel the need to repeat the same **** over and over and over again.

[BertSquirtgum]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

he is not a franchise quarterback.......end thread

[G Wolly]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

The only time you can deny that statement, is when he's holding that Lombardi trophy.

[Demon]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

he is not a franchise quarterback.......end thread

The only way you can change a mentality of a team and the culture of a team from being lovers where nobody wants to go play for to a winning and respectful team, is by getting that franchise QB. Fitzpatrick is not it, he may be a good person, a smart dude, and even have limited successful in this system, he's not changing the culture of the Buffalo Bills and until the Bills find that one QB, they can draft all the guys they want, some will turn out great, some will turn out into massive busts, but the end result will be, we'll never leap over the 7-8 win block until that happens.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

The only way you can change a mentality of a team and the culture of a team from being lovers where nobody wants to go play for to a winning and respectful team, is by getting that franchise QB. Fitzpatrick is not it, he may be a good person, a smart dude, and even have limited successful in this system, he's not changing the culture of the Buffalo Bills and until the Bills find that one QB, they can draft all the guys they want, some will turn out great, some will turn out into massive busts, but the end result will be, we'll never leap over the 7-8 win block until that happens.

your logic is not sound...

look at players like phil simms, or frank reich, brad johnson, jim mcmahon, rich gannon, doug flutie, stan humphries, fran tarkenton, vinny testaverde, bernie kosar, tony romo, joe ferguson, neil odonnell- NONE OF THESE QBS ARE FRANCHISE QBS... etc etc etc... basically out of every 30 years or so a franchise qb might come along for a team, like a brady, manning, staubach, kelly type... that means for the other 18 years you have to win with a solid above average qb, (fitz is playing even a little better maybe...) the point is we can win with fitz if we get a solid rt, a pass rushing beast, and some more front 7 help... other than that we should be ready to go... there isnt that much of a difference in the nfl between 4-12 teams and 9-7 teams, and there isnt much difference between 9-7 teams and 13-3 teams... good coaching can also go a long way...

bottom line- we are not going to have the number one pick, we will win a couple more games, we will probably pick anywhere between 4-8...

draft kerrigan, or dareus, or some monster mother ****er for the pass rush with our first pick, draft a rt, draft other front 7 help later in the draft and go from there...

pick up a couple nice free agents, maybe jason hatcher, or marcus spears... we should be competitive next year...

[X-Era]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

Fitz's numbers for this year:

CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
169 285 59.3 1961 6.9 18 54 9 1 88.1

They look similar to this set of numbers:

Comp Att Att/G Pct Yds Yds/G Yds/Att TD Int Sack Rate
155 230 23.0 67.4 1509 150.9 6.6 10 8 17 85.6

Care to take a guess who's numbers those are? They are Kelly Holcomb's numbers from his 2005 season with the Bills.

Point is, until Fitz beats the best or proves he can take us to the playoffs or SB, these questions will remain.

Can we really expect fans to feel "settled" and remain quiet when we are 2 and 8?

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

Fitz's numbers for this year:

CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
169 285 59.3 1961 6.9 18 54 9 1 88.1

They look similar to this set of numbers:

Comp Att Att/G Pct Yds Yds/G Yds/Att TD Int Sack Rate
155 230 23.0 67.4 1509 150.9 6.6 10 8 17 85.6

Care to take a guess who's numbers those are? They are Kelly Holcomb's numbers from his 2005 season with the Bills.

Point is, until Fitz beats the best or proves he can take us to the playoffs or SB, these questions will remain.

Can we really expect fans to feel "settled" and remain quiet when we are 2 and 8?

well first off holcomb td to int ratio was 10-8, fitz is 2-1
what was holcombs 3rd down conversion rate, a huge sign if a qb is good or not...fitz is ranked 2nd in the league...
holcomb was throwing for about 150 yards a game, fitz is throwing for about 250 yds a game...i think he is ranked like 12th in that category...

what was our offense ranked in scoring in 05, compared to the 8 games fitz has played? i think we are 21st for the total this year, so with fitz its conservative to say we are probably between 16-18 in points because he didnt play the 1st 2 games...

holcomb was a checkdown guy, fitz is not, not even close.

fitz is a gun-slinger, holcomb is not...

holcomb was sacked a lot, fitz is not...

over a 16 game projection which isnt unreal, fitz would be on pace for 36td 18int 4000yds, 60% cmp, 2nd in 3rd down conversion, 7.0 yards per attempt... those are pro bowl numbers... and they are happening right when qbs usually take off right around 30 starts...holcomb never even comes close to those numbers...

if you want to compare fitz to someone, i would say kyle orton, jake delhomme but smarter and more accurate, a poor mans jim kelly, a poor mans montana, he is way better than holcomb dude....

[justasportsfan]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

the only way I can see us going far with Fritz is if we have one of the top OL in the league with a top 5 D to go with it.

[Mahdi]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

Fitz's numbers for this year:

CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
169 285 59.3 1961 6.9 18 54 9 1 88.1

They look similar to this set of numbers:

Comp Att Att/G Pct Yds Yds/G Yds/Att TD Int Sack Rate
155 230 23.0 67.4 1509 150.9 6.6 10 8 17 85.6

Care to take a guess who's numbers those are? They are Kelly Holcomb's numbers from his 2005 season with the Bills.

Point is, until Fitz beats the best or proves he can take us to the playoffs or SB, these questions will remain.

Can we really expect fans to feel "settled" and remain quiet when we are 2 and 8?

Yeah that is not a good comparison at all.

Fitz is a downfield thrower, Holcomb was a "manager" and not even a good manager.

Fitz has 18 Tds in 8 games. Holcomb had 10 Tds in 10 games.

And as previously mentioned Fitz is averaging about 250 yards a game while Holcomb averaged about 150.

Not even close to being the same Qbs.

Personally, when I evaluate Fitz I am not looking at any stats at all. I am looking at the quality of this throws. The velocity, placement and difficulty level.

Fitz has not been making routine throws, he has been executing the toughest throws in football regularly.

THAT is what impresses me about Fitz. There are only a handful of QBs in the league executing the kind of throws Fitz is executing.

[Nighthawk]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

No need for threads like this. It's already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fitz = Thigpen. The logic presented in that thread was infallible, so it's inevitable that in a few years Fitz will be in Miami, where hopefully he won't end up winning a SuperBowl.

Oh, and \sarcasm.

Still waiting for some evidence to prove your argument? Oh wait...you don't have any! Got it!

[Nighthawk]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

he is not a franchise quarterback.......end thread

Yeah, but some believe he is a savior...don't ya know? You know, his past failures are just a mirage and this season is the real Fitz...come on, don't you see it?!?!

[Mahdi]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

Yeah, but some believe he is a savior...don't ya know? You know, his past failures are just a mirage and this season is the real Fitz...come on, don't you see it?!?!

All the TDs he is putting up this year is a mirage and the inexperienced QB he was before was the real Fitz..... come on don't you see it? He sucks.

[Nighthawk]

Re: Enough with the "Fitz won't win a superbowl"

All the TDs he is putting up this year is a mirage and the inexperienced QB he was before was the real Fitz..... come on don't you see it? He sucks.

I would love for some of you to please think logically about he situation and go back and look at history. Gailey made Thigpen into a fantasy stud the year he was there, Gailey made Kordell Stewart into a fantasy stud when he was in Pittsburgh and then Stewart was less then mediocre after that. You guys are completely ignoring the one constant in all of these situations and that is Gailey. Now, I ask you, what seems more logical...Gailey being a huge reason for Fitz's success or Fitz all of sudden becoming a good QB? Do you guys really need to think about this one???