With yesterday's loss..

[T-Long]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are currently drafting 4th overall if the draft was today.

1. Carolina
2. Cincinnati
3. Detroit
4. Buffalo


Since we are tied with Cincy and Detroit, I think head to head is the first tie-breaker, which would have us fourth.

If the draft were today, here is how I see it playing out.

1. Carolina: Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Cincinnati: AJ Green WR Georgia
3. Detroit: Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
4. Buffalo: Marcel Dareus DT Alabama

Discuss.

[ZAZusmc03]

I would not be upset with that being our first selection. I would love to see the majority of our draft picks being used on defense. But I would like to see QB addressed within the first 3 rounds.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

I think Detroit could take Patrick Peterson with there first pick and then we take Bowers. Also, I could see Fairley end up in Cincy.

[Lone Stranger]

I think our primary needs are at linebacker. Is there a linebacker good enough to be drafted that high.

[T-Long]

I think Detroit could take Patrick Peterson with there first pick and then we take Bowers. Also, I could see Fairley end up in Cincy.
I honestly think that Peterson could be the pick as well, but I took the other route because it brings up a good conversation in terms of Dareus and DT being the need. If Bowers is there at 4, he would be the pick hands down.

Fairley over Green? Nah, I don't see that happening. Boy, would that create some turmoil if Detroit is on the clock and Green is there. It would be Matt Millen era all over again!

[T-Long]

I think our primary needs are at linebacker. Is there a linebacker good enough to be drafted that high.
Agreed. LB is a huge hole for us IMO. There isn't a LB in the top 5 as of right now, and I don't see there being one to emerge. That would have to be addressed later on in the draft or free agency.

[RockStar36]

I really don't know enough about the defensive prospects yet to have an opinion one way or another, but I've heard quite a bit about Fairley and Bowers, so as of now I'd have no problem with those guys.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

I honestly think that Peterson could be the pick as well, but I took the other route because it brings up a good conversation in terms of Dareus and DT being the need. If Bowers is there at 4, he would be the pick hands down.

Fairley over Green? Nah, I don't see that happening. Boy, would that create some turmoil if Detroit is on the clock and Green is there. It would be Matt Millen era all over again!

Hope your right and I guess Green would make sense seeing Chad and TO are old as time itself.

[psubills62]

I don't think head-to-head is used at all as a tiebreaker, otherwise we would have gotten Patrick Willis, no? IIRC, SOS is the only tiebreaker used - if that fails, they flip a coin.

[RockStar36]

I don't think head-to-head is used at all as a tiebreaker, otherwise we would have gotten Patrick Willis, no? IIRC, SOS is the only tiebreaker used - if that fails, they flip a coin.

Actually, you're right from what I just found online. Weird, I thought for sure H2H would be. Regardless, as of now the Bills have a higher SOS than Cincy or Detroit so the thread subject is still valid.

[mikemac2001]

I feel we will win another game as well as detriot and cincy

carolina blew there chance yesterday

[psubills62]

Actually, you're right from what I just found online. Weird, I thought for sure H2H would be. Regardless, as of now the Bills have a higher SOS than Cincy or Detroit so the thread subject is still valid.

Agreed, the subject is still valid. Our SOS increases daily, especially since, inexplicably, New England, NYJ, and Miami all keep winning. I have a feeling that our SOS will end up being higher than almost any other team.

That being said, I don't know who I'd want in that scenario. Probably Peterson, actually. We've got OK corners, but we really need a stud. And while I do believe we need a TON of help in the front 7...I just don't see anyone there worth 50 million big ones who isn't a huge, huge risk.

Grab Peterson, an OT in the 2nd, LB or DL in the 3rd, QB in the 4th, LB/DL with our other 4th rounder, then in last 3 rounds grab OT, pass-rushing specialist, and maybe another RB (Yes I know...does anyone really want Quinton Ganther starting though if Fred goes down?).

[DraftBoy]

Yea Im taking Patrick Peterson here.

[Saratoga Slim]

Yea Im taking Patrick Peterson here.

Most likely the BPA. Peterson is one of the best CB prospects I can remember. With McGee's injury struggles lately, and McKelvin's tendency toward being a bonehead, adding a true shutdown corner isn't ridiculous.

It's something I could live with, but it would be real hard to get excited about.

Too bad that there's no real stud linebacker prospect this year.

[Scumbag College]

I think Cincy would go defense. The Bills just put up 49 against them eight days ago. In the past few years, NFL teams have shied away from taking WRs in the first round and I think Green might drop because of that.

[dannyek71]

Mark Ingram at #4

[ZAZusmc03]

Ideally I would like to see us take a solid Guy for the d front seven, but every week I think shows us that maybe a corner wouldn't be a bad pick. McGee can't stay healthy and mckelvin is a disaster.

[Crisis]

jesus, could we pick a worse year to suck during? 2 wins 11 games in and we're picking FOURTH?!

[Ed]

I think I would take Peterson in this situation too. I know we need pass rushers, but in a pass happy league we need great CB's also and Peterson looks like BPA at the moment.

However, I personally think we win 2-3 more games and end up picking 7-9. I think Denver, Cleveland, and either Arizona or SF end up picking ahead of us. Possibly Dallas and Minnesota also.

[Mr. Pink]

Yea Im taking Patrick Peterson here.


Peterson should be the pick here. Agreed.

[jdbillsfan]

I would go Fairley. He is a beast.

Wouldn't be that bad to have someone who is a little nasty on D. Dareus hasn't really been that impressive to me.

[Buffalo Thriller]

Without Luck, Dareus has to be our guy. We still need a QB in round 2.

[Michael82]

Why would we go DT in the first round? We have Kyle Williams and we drafted Troup in the second round last year.

[YardRat]

If Peterson is there when we pick, you can't pass on him.

It would really suck if both Green and he were on the board when our turn came up.

[Ed]

Why would we go DT in the first round? We have Kyle Williams and we drafted Troup in the second round last year.
I agree. I don't see the need for a DT unless they are a great pass rusher and we plan on using them as a DE in a 3-4.

[X-Era]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are currently drafting 4th overall if the draft was today.

1. Carolina
2. Cincinnati
3. Detroit
4. Buffalo


Since we are tied with Cincy and Detroit, I think head to head is the first tie-breaker, which would have us fourth.

If the draft were today, here is how I see it playing out.

1. Carolina: Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Cincinnati: AJ Green WR Georgia
3. Detroit: Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
4. Buffalo: Marcel Dareus DT Alabama

Discuss.1) It aint over yet.
2) Cinnci or Detroit could easily take Patrick Peterson
3) Cinnci could put TO out to pasture and go AJ Green

That means Bowers is very much in play if we ended up #4 which is far from a given at this point, IMO.

[DraftBoy]

Fairley would likely slide to DE in our scheme and not play NT.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Fairley would likely slide to DE in our scheme and not play NT.

And that's where I want him to be. If Carrington continues his development at this pace, Can you imagine a D line with Fairley, Williams, and Carrington on passing downs? BOTH Kelsay and Maybin would be facing blocks from RB and TE all the time! (of course I'm jumping ahead assuming Fairley is as good as advertised).

[X-Era]

I agree. I don't see the need for a DT unless they are a great pass rusher and we plan on using them as a DE in a 3-4.I think that's the thinking. You can potnetially play a DT as a DE in the 3-4... guys that run 6' 3" and 300. You can go with pass rushers with height and size as well like 6' 4"- 6' 6" and 275+.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are currently drafting 4th overall if the draft was today.

1. Carolina
2. Cincinnati
3. Detroit
4. Buffalo


Since we are tied with Cincy and Detroit, I think head to head is the first tie-breaker, which would have us fourth.

If the draft were today, here is how I see it playing out.

1. Carolina: Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Cincinnati: AJ Green WR Georgia
3. Detroit: Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
4. Buffalo: Marcel Dareus DT Alabama

Discuss.Not too sure about a DT unless we move him outside to DE. Kyle Williams has that job locked up for quite awhile with Troupe behind him. If we go defense, it will probably either be a DE or LB. DB/Safety wouldn't be out of the question either but that's rather high in the draft to go that route. So, I don't really know unless Dareus is selected for being best player available. JMO

[NOT THE DUDE...]

anyone that says we should take peterson is ****ing ******ed... even if deion sanders was coming out i still wouldnt take him, not over a potentially great pass rusher/dlineman... we have mckelvin, corner, youboty for the future, florence and mcgee are solid... we dont need a cb!!!!!!

good qbs and great pass rushers win superbowls... not cbs, or wrs...

nick fairley, marcell dareus, dquan bowers- one of those 3 should be the pick, preferably fairley or dareus.. we need a great run stopper too...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

if you guys are that concerned about cornerback or mcgee staying healthy then we can take a corner in the 4th round and then another in the 6th, plus rookie free agents... if you have a dominant pass rush your corners dont need to cover that long, plus if you can get pressure with just a front 4 than that leaves 7 guys in coverage...

draft the dlineman!!!!!!

[Extremebillsfan247]

What about a LT?

[X-Era]

What about a LT?I've seen was too much erratic play from the top guys... they all look raw. I'd have no issue with it in the mid to late round 1 area... but not top 10.

[Mr. Pink]

if you guys are that concerned about cornerback or mcgee staying healthy then we can take a corner in the 4th round and then another in the 6th, plus rookie free agents... if you have a dominant pass rush your corners dont need to cover that long, plus if you can get pressure with just a front 4 than that leaves 7 guys in coverage...

draft the dlineman!!!!!!


Who's the shutdown corner on this team?

No one.

How often do potentially great shutdown corners enter the draft?

Rarely.

I love how you listed Youboty in your other post, what has he done here? A whole lot of nothing.

Florence has been eh this year.

McKelvin hasn't looked good all year in pass coverage.

McGee is, was and always will be a Zone cover Corner. It is who he was when he came out of college. Now he's getting older and obviously having trouble staying healthy.

Reggie Corner? Does he matter?

[X-Era]

Not too sure about a DT unless we move him outside to DE. Kyle Williams has that job locked up for quite awhile with Troupe behind him. If we go defense, it will probably either be a DE or LB. DB/Safety wouldn't be out of the question either but that's rather high in the draft to go that route. So, I don't really know unless Dareus is selected for being best player available. JMOIt's a though thing. I can see people wanting Kyle to move to DE and us drafting a NT, but what was Troup then? Keep Kyle where he is and we still have Stroud and Edwards. Edwards is solid, and Stroud hasn't done anything this year. Move Stroud to backup and draft someone? OK. Maybe a shorter DT type who can play DE in a 3-4 hoping we get stronger at the line and can stop the run better. But we also need a pass rusher, and although Bowers is decent vs. the run, he's a very good pass rusher and isn't the ideal 6' 5" or 6" to go with the 280 weight.

I'm open to suggestions on what the best move is, I've been racking my brain on it.

[Philagape]

Anyone think Cincy would take Mallett? Palmer's on the decline

[X-Era]

Anyone think Cincy would take Mallett? Palmer's on the declineCould happen. QB is a coveted position. If you have a guy that ranks top 15, it's not that far of a leap to top 5 if a team needs the position and like the prospect. But I also can see Peterson, or even AJ Green fitting in there.

[YardRat]

anyone that says we should take peterson is ****ing ******ed... even if deion sanders was coming out i still wouldnt take him, not over a potentially great pass rusher/dlineman... we have mckelvin, corner, youboty for the future, florence and mcgee are solid... we dont need a cb!!!!!!

good qbs and great pass rushers win superbowls... not cbs, or wrs...

nick fairley, marcell dareus, dquan bowers- one of those 3 should be the pick, preferably fairley or dareus.. we need a great run stopper too...

Shut-down corners open up a plethora of opportunities for the front seven. This secondary has already been exposed enough this season, I wouldn't look forward to next with McKelvin, Corner and Youboty being our top 3.

[YardRat]

And that's where I want him to be. If Carrington continues his development at this pace, Can you imagine a D line with Fairley, Williams, and Carrington on passing downs? BOTH Kelsay and Maybin would be facing blocks from RB and TE all the time! (of course I'm jumping ahead assuming Fairley is as good as advertised).

lol...Seriously?

[DraftBoy]

Who's the shutdown corner on this team?

No one.

How often do potentially great shutdown corners enter the draft?

Rarely.

I love how you listed Youboty in your other post, what has he done here? A whole lot of nothing.

Florence has been eh this year.

McKelvin hasn't looked good all year in pass coverage.

McGee is, was and always will be a Zone cover Corner. It is who he was when he came out of college. Now he's getting older and obviously having trouble staying healthy.

Reggie Corner? Does he matter?

He wants us to take Kerrigan in the top 5. That's his angle here.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Who's the shutdown corner on this team?

No one.

How often do potentially great shutdown corners enter the draft?

Rarely.

I love how you listed Youboty in your other post, what has he done here? A whole lot of nothing.

Florence has been eh this year.

McKelvin hasn't looked good all year in pass coverage.

McGee is, was and always will be a Zone cover Corner. It is who he was when he came out of college. Now he's getting older and obviously having trouble staying healthy.

Reggie Corner? Does he matter? Reggie Corner does matter. He's a solid nickel guy, and good depth for cheap. Although lockdown corners are becoming a rarity, defending the pass is actually one of this teams strong points even with out Mcgee because of the depth we have at the position. You have to ask yourself if drafting another CB really helps this defense. We are dead last in the league against the run and a shutdown corner wont help you solve that issue. We need a LB or DE that teams are forced to pay attention to. We don't have that right now. That is the role Maybin was suppose to play and failed in.

[X-Era]

Reggie Corner does matter. He's a solid nickel guy, and good depth for cheap. Although lockdown corners are becoming a rarity, defending the pass is actually one of this teams strong points even with out Mcgee because of the depth we have at the position. You have to ask yourself if drafting another CB really helps this defense. We are dead last in the league against the run and a shutdown corner wont help you solve that issue. We need a LB or DE that teams are forced to pay attention to. We don't have that right now. That is the role Maybin was suppose to play and failed in.Peterson is a stud. But, I will be shocked and disappointed if we took him in this draft. I could see a DB later in the draft, but not with our first pick.

[Mr. Pink]

Shut-down corners open up a plethora of opportunities for the front seven. This secondary has already been exposed enough this season, I wouldn't look forward to next with McKelvin, Corner and Youboty being our top 3.


Agreed.

If you have a guy on one side of the field who can basically take away one WR every play, you can roll a safety over to help the other corner and then this frees up your blitzing options.

I don't understand why some people don't understand how much a guy like Deion Sanders, Nnamdi Asmougha, Champ Bailey, Hanford Dixon, etc helps the entire defensive unit.

[Mr. Pink]

Reggie Corner does matter. He's a solid nickel guy, and good depth for cheap. Although lockdown corners are becoming a rarity, defending the pass is actually one of this teams strong points even with out Mcgee because of the depth we have at the position. You have to ask yourself if drafting another CB really helps this defense. We are dead last in the league against the run and a shutdown corner wont help you solve that issue. We need a LB or DE that teams are forced to pay attention to. We don't have that right now. That is the role Maybin was suppose to play and failed in.


Oh, you do realize that our corners have a combined 1 INT on the year right?

Cornerback is a definite need.

[elltrain22]

I would love Patrick Peterson, and agree that he is an unbelievable talent, but if we can't get to the QB, and give any QB all day to throw the ball, a shutdown corner is basically useless. We need a legit pass rusher or a DT that can stuff the run and penetrate the line and get to the QB. If we could pressure the QB, it would make our defense 100% better. Darius, Fairly, and/or Bowers have to be the pick. IMHO, for whatever thats worth.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Oh, you do realize that our corners have a combined 1 INT on the year right?

Cornerback is a definite need.Yes, I am aware of that. But there is a lot more to that story than just the stat line. Our LB core is horrible, and its arguable that the only good dlineman right now is Kyle Williams. A good number of passes caught this year by opposing teams came from mismatches on LBs. I would agree that our CBs are not quite what they were last year, but teams did throw on us more in 2009 because of the amount of young players we had at those positions. Now that its seen as one of the strong points of our defense, teams are less likely to test it with that mismatch option working so well, not to mention this team is lousy at defending the run. That also hurts your chances of DBs getting opportunities to get Ints. JMO

[better days]

Agreed.

If you have a guy on one side of the field who can basically take away one WR every play, you can roll a safety over to help the other corner and then this frees up your blitzing options.

I don't understand why some people don't understand how much a guy like Deion Sanders, Nnamdi Asmougha, Champ Bailey, Hanford Dixon, etc helps the entire defensive unit.

A team that puts pressure on the QB on a consistant basis does not need a shut down corner because the ball won't get there anyway. I say draft a DE or LB that can bring it.

[alohabillsfan]

I truley hope we draft #4. Top spots can be very expensive.
1 QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma St. Louis 6 $78 $50 Guaranteed
2 DT Ndamukong Suh** Nebraska Detroit 5 $68 $40 Guaranteed
3 DT Gerald McCoy Oklahoma Tampa Bay 5 $63 $35 Guaranteed
4 OT Trent Williams Oklahoma Washington 6 $60 $36.75 Guaranteed
5 SS Eric Berry Tennessee Kansas City 6 $60 $34 Guaranteed

Here are the current coveted players, Luck, Peterson, AJ Green, Amukamara, Dareus, Fairley, Quinn, Bowers, Mallett, and Locker, just to name a few and yes, they may all not be "coveted" at this time put QB's will wow at their Pro day workouts.

So, hopefully we get someone to over pay to get their guy and we still get ours. Additionally, I certainly hope we get 3 quality FA's to jump onboard this turn around!

[psubills62]

A team that puts pressure on the QB on a consistant basis does not need a shut down corner because the ball won't get there anyway. I say draft a DE or LB that can bring it.

That would be great, except there really isn't anyone worth that pick at those positions. Arguments could be made for various players, but Peterson is easily worth the pick and fits a position that we need.

[billsfanryan]

Anyone think Cincy would take Mallett? Palmer's on the decline

This was what i have been thinking for a while. But IMO their coach is going to get fired after this disaster of a season. Anytime someone gets TO, its usually because they feel they need 1 piece to make a serious run. That didn't happen. The bengals have been too inconsistent and have had problems for years.

I also haven't seen anyone mention this in the peterson talk: THANKSGIVING DAY for the lions should make everyone realize what they will take with their first pick if he is there. Deion Branch abused Alphonso Smith. I can't see how they could possibly pass on a guy like Peterson if he is available for them. IMO Smith's performance was far more embarrassing than Stevie's was. Dude was getting chewed out on national tv by his coaches after every play.

[better days]

I truley hope we draft #4. Top spots can be very expensive.
1 QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma St. Louis 6 $78 $50 Guaranteed
2 DT Ndamukong Suh** Nebraska Detroit 5 $68 $40 Guaranteed
3 DT Gerald McCoy Oklahoma Tampa Bay 5 $63 $35 Guaranteed
4 OT Trent Williams Oklahoma Washington 6 $60 $36.75 Guaranteed
5 SS Eric Berry Tennessee Kansas City 6 $60 $34 Guaranteed

Here are the current coveted players, Luck, Peterson, AJ Green, Amukamara, Dareus, Fairley, Quinn, Bowers, Mallett, and Locker, just to name a few and yes, they may all not be "coveted" at this time put QB's will wow at their Pro day workouts.

So, hopefully we get someone to over pay to get their guy and we still get ours. Additionally, I certainly hope we get 3 quality FA's to jump onboard this turn around!

If a new CBA is signed before the draft, there will be a rookie cap.

[HAMMER]

Agreed.

If you have a guy on one side of the field who can basically take away one WR every play, you can roll a safety over to help the other corner and then this frees up your blitzing options.

I don't understand why some people don't understand how much a guy like Deion Sanders, Nnamdi Asmougha, Champ Bailey, Hanford Dixon, etc helps the entire defensive unit.

This post covers it well, you don't pass on a shutdown corner. It allows you to blitz with a bit of abandon. I think he will be our pick unless someone grabs him at 2 or 3. We picked up D. Edwards for DE and drafted Carrington, who will hopefully develop nicely. LB is a bigger need than DE and I don't think there is anyone worthy of a top five pick in this draft at LB. CB Rd 1, LB in Rd 2, DT in Rd 3, OL depth in Rd 4.

[better days]

That would be great, except there really isn't anyone worth that pick at those positions. Arguments could be made for various players, but Peterson is easily worth the pick and fits a position that we need.

Yeah, I have been hearing that as well. If a player is there that another team covets, I would hope the Bills could trade down & get an extra pick.

[Ed]

This was what i have been thinking for a while. But IMO their coach is going to get fired after this disaster of a season. Anytime someone gets TO, its usually because they feel they need 1 piece to make a serious run. That didn't happen. The bengals have been too inconsistent and have had problems for years.

I also haven't seen anyone mention this in the peterson talk: THANKSGIVING DAY for the lions should make everyone realize what they will take with their first pick if he is there. Deion Branch abused Alphonso Smith. I can't see how they could possibly pass on a guy like Peterson if he is available for them. IMO Smith's performance was far more embarrassing than Stevie's was. Dude was getting chewed out on national tv by his coaches after every play.
I agree about Detroit. They got a stud D-lineman in Suh last year and their franchise QB and WR tandem in Stafford and Johnson. With Peterson they get an awesome prospect at a position of need. It's obviously still way too early to make realistic predictions, but I think Peterson to Detroit looks like the best bet right now.

[Akhippo]

How is one shutdown corner going to stop NE. They throw to everyone. I cant say we would regret a corner if he was BPA, but i hope there is a better option that fits our needs.

If we could get Bowers as an end in the 34 to team with K Williams that would be my ideal scenario. Based off potential of course. I like the days of Bruce off the edge with Paup. I like the Giants approach that beat the Pats. Pressure from the front makes it easier in the back end.

Ill take Bowers, Fairly, or Quinn in the first and K Rudolph in the second.