Should we go after Donovan McNabb???

[Lucky]

Looks like the Skins are stupidly benching McNabb for Rex Grossman this weekend for their game agains the Cowboys. Speculation is he will be cut at the end of the season (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rex-grossman-to-start-over-don.html).

Should we go after him? His stock will certainly be much less than what it was this past offseason. He's certainly better than Fitz and it would buy us a couple of years to upgrade the rest of the roster.

I see pros and cons either way. What do you guys think?

[Pride]

Ummm no....

[Lucky]

Ummm no....

Would you rather see us draft a QB in the first round. Please share your thinking here. Thank you.

[Philagape]

He's certainly better than Fitz

At this point, no he's not.

Let's go after Favre while we're at it. Maybe Jeff Garcia.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I can't have any opinion on this topic until I know taylor/zaius's viewpoint.

[Lucky]

At this point, no he's not.

Let's go after Favre while we're at it. Maybe Jeff Garcia.

Oh come on, he certainly is better than Fitz. Favre is done, Garcia is now spending his days and more importantly his nights, enjoying his lovely wife.

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/garcia.jpg

[Joe Fo Sho]

Fitz has more touchdowns and less interceptions than McNabb this year. He's also significantly younger and plays on a worse team.

Please explain why McNabb would be a better option.

[Lucky]

Fitz has more touchdowns and less interceptions than McNabb this year. He's also significantly younger and plays on a worse team.

Please explain why McNabb would be a better option.

Fitz is a career backup at best. McNabb still has a few years left in him, perhaps more. Gailey is a QB guru who will get the most out of McNabb, certainly more than the dysfunctional Skins could ever muster.

McNabb is a stopgap who has a better arm than Fitz, more mobile and more savy.

Look beyond the stats, as the Skins are probably even worse than we are this year and McNabb is running for his life, his WR's are old and he has no running game. In addition their D is woeful, thus he is always playing catchup.

[Buffalo Thriller]

Fitz>McNabb and i hate Fitz with a passion..

[better days]

Oh come on, he certainly is better than Fitz. Favre is done, Garcia is now spending his days enjoying his lovely wife.

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/garcia.jpg

Nice, much better than Dr. Taylors smileys.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Fitz is a career backup at best. McNabb still has a few years left in him, perhaps more. Gailey is a QB guru who will get the most out of McNabb, certainly more than the dysfunctional Skins could ever muster.

McNabb is a stopgap who has a better arm than Fitz, more mobile and more savy.

Look beyond the stats, as the Skins are probably even worse than we are this year and McNabb is running for his life, his WR's are old and he has no running game. In addition their D is woeful, thus he is always playing catchup.

Fitz is starting this year and probably next. Your constant labelling of him as a career backup is wrong. You don't backup anything you say with any sort of reasoning or logic other than 'cmon man, I'm right fitz sucks, it's obvious.' I am hoping Fitz starts for the Bills just to piss off the Fitz haters if for no other reason.

[Lucky]

Fitz is starting this year and probably next. Your constant labelling of him as a career backup is wrong. You don't backup anything you say with any sort of reasoning or logic other than 'cmon man, I'm right fitz sucks, it's obvious.' I am hoping Fitz starts for the Bills just to piss off the Fitz haters if for no other reason.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Fitz. He's just not very talented. A solid backup though. Please dont forget he was beat out in training camp by none other than Edwards. Sure he is starting now, but virtually by defalut due to Edwards horrible play. He's better than Edwards, but not that much better.

Please tell me what it is you see in Fitz that makes you think he is so great.

As for my logic, look no further than his W-L record.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Fitz. He's just not very talented. A solid backup though. Please dont forget he was beat out in training camp by none other than Edwards. Sure he is starting now, but virtually by defalut due to Edwards horrible play. He's better than Edwards, but not that much better.

Please tell me what it is you see in Fitz that makes you think he is so great.

As for my logic, look no further than his W-L record.

When did I say he was great? Every damned Fitz hater thinks anyone defendingFitz thinks he's the next Joe Motana, FS. Fitz is a decent QB in Chan's system and we have problems elsewhere. Peyton went 3-13 his first year, they should've cut him? Calm down Taylor, you don't need to convince people here to think like you, it's not up to us. We know your opinion.

[Lucky]

When did I say he was great? Every damned Fitz hater thinks anyone defendingFitz thinks he's the next Joe Motana, FS. Fitz is a decent QB in Chan's system and we have problems elsewhere. Peyton went 3-13 his first year, they should've cut him? Calm down Taylor, you don't need to convince people here to think like you, it's not up to us. We know your opinion.

Not sure why you are so angry, nor why you are referring to me as Taylor.
You and I simply disagree on Fitz. No big deal. You asked me to expand upon my opinion, which I have done.

Justifying Fitz by comparing him to Manning's 1st year? That's a stretch. Fitz is nothing more than a below average bus driver QB with passion. He was handed the position by default. If we really end up starting him next season, then we deserve whatever comes are way.

[BidsJr]

Hell no on McNabb. Rush had him pegged correctly years ago.

[Lucky]

Hell no on McNabb. Rush had him pegged correctly years ago.

I have mixed feelings about him. He certainly has more talent than Fitz will ever dream, but he is getting older. If we could get him cheap he would be an upgrade, but certainly not a long term option.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

can we please stop saying fitz is a career backup, its very unusual for backups to have a td percentage that equals to almost 30 tds in a season... thats above average...

[BertSquirtgum]

I admit that fitz is playing above average this year but he almost always shows his true colors 5-10 times a game. I don't believe he will be able to continue playing above average for another year. In my opinion, fitz is and should be a back up and nothing more but the Bills do not have anyone better at the moment. Anybody that can't admit that needs to get an iq test to make sure their iq is above 75.

[TrEd FTW]

McNabb is a bigger name and has had a much more accomplished career than Fitzpatrick, but that means absolutely nothing in 2010. Fitzpatrick is better now. So, no, the Bills shouldn't bother with McNabb. And lest we forget that Buddy Nix said in September that he's not a McNabb fan. And at this point, who can blame him?

[TrEd FTW]

can we please stop saying fitz is a career backup, its very unusual for backups to have a td percentage that equals to almost 30 tds in a season... thats above average...

Scott Mitchell, Jeff Blake, Aaron Brooks, Derek Anderson, etc.

[mikemac2001]

Oh come on, he certainly is better than Fitz. Favre is done, Garcia is now spending his days enjoying his lovely wife.

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/garcia.jpg


my night is ruined i envy you mr garcia

[trapezeus]

Dr lucky found a new handle. He was very clever to combine luck and the letter y together. We are so impressed.

[Philagape]

It's a lot easier to put someone on ignore than it is to create a new ID

[BertSquirtgum]

i don't believe lucky is taylor, not yet at least. it's going to take a few obviously stupid comments.

[G Wolly]

i don't believe lucky is taylor, not yet at least. it's going to take a few obviously stupid comments.

Maybe it's his alter, rational minded, ego.

[Ed]

Didn't we all waste a lot of time having this same discussion last year? McNabb is now a year older and having his worst season ever. Do we really need to have this discussion again? The same coach that so many here wanted desperately to come to Buffalo to turn things around is benching him for Rex Grossman.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Scott Mitchell, Jeff Blake, Aaron Brooks, Derek Anderson, etc.

scott mitchell, jeff blake, aaron brooks put their teams in the playoffs...

derek anderson is the rare exception.

[Beebe's Kid]

??? Instead of *****, same Fitz crusade, and same delusional thinking that younger preaching your case to anybody that could actually do anything about it.

Oh yeah...same result: BLOCK! BLOCK!

[NOT THE DUDE...]

if fitz is just as good as jeff hostetler, jake delhomme, ron jaworski, frank reich, joe theisman, phil simms, brad johnson, trent dilfer, chris chandler, stan humphries, troy aikman, doug williams, mark rypien, doug flutie, joe ferguson, kerry collins, steve mcnair, eli manning, rex ****ing grossman, jeff garcia, steve bono, steve deberg,

then we have a chance to be really good with fitz, as long as we build a top 5 defense, specifically with a great pass rush along with a solid tough oline....

[ddaryl]

NO

[Johnny Bugmenot]

McNabb would be entering his thirteenth season. Considering how much mobility plays a role in his play, he's going to hit a wall eventually. Ask Mark Brunell.

[X-Era]

Watched ESPN this morning and saw the McNabb story. I immediately thought we would see at least on post like this.

My take is this: He can be better than Fitz, but usually is now only about as good as Fitz. So what's the point. We need a franchise caliber QB, not another solid or average vet.

Skip this and draft your future.

[paranoid]

Fitz>McNabb and i hate Fitz with a passion..

Really? I can see making a case that Fitz makes some bad throws or otherwise not wanting to invest in him as the captain of a Super Bowl bound team, but why hate the guy "with a passion"? He's not a criminal psychopath or anything, like some other NFL players. He seems like a decent guy with great intangible leadership aspects and guts to me.

[djjimkelly]

Looks like the Skins are stupidly benching McNabb for Rex Grossman this weekend for their game agains the Cowboys. Speculation is he will be cut at the end of the season (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rex-grossman-to-start-over-don.html).

Should we go after him? His stock will certainly be much less than what it was this past offseason. He's certainly better than Fitz and it would buy us a couple of years to upgrade the rest of the roster.

I see pros and cons either way. What do you guys think?











NO

[Lucky]

Watched ESPN this morning and saw the McNabb story. I immediately thought we would see at least on post like this.

My take is this: He can be better than Fitz, but usually is now only about as good as Fitz. So what's the point. We need a franchise caliber QB, not another solid or average vet.

Skip this and draft your future.

I agree that we need to concentrate our full attention in getting our next franchise QB.

However, in the meantime, if the choice was McNabb or Fitz straight up, I would take McNabb over Fitz. I am not even a huge McNabb fan, but even at this stage of his career he has far more talent than Fitz.

[Lucky]

if fitz is just as good as jeff hostetler, jake delhomme, ron jaworski, frank reich, joe theisman, phil simms, brad johnson, trent dilfer, chris chandler, stan humphries, troy aikman, doug williams, mark rypien, doug flutie, joe ferguson, kerry collins, steve mcnair, eli manning, rex ****ing grossman, jeff garcia, steve bono, steve deberg,

then we have a chance to be really good with fitz, as long as we build a top 5 defense, specifically with a great pass rush along with a solid tough oline....

The problem is Fitz is not nearly as good as any of those guys you cite, with the exception of Grossman, Chandler, and Bono. Not sure what point you are trying to make. I would put McNabb in the category of the QBs mentioned above. Closest comparison would be McNair IMO.

[mrbojanglezs]

I agree that fitz is better than mcnabb at their respective times in their careers

[X-Era]

I agree that we need to concentrate our full attention in getting our next franchise QB.

However, in the meantime, if the choice was McNabb or Fitz straight up, I would take McNabb over Fitz. I am not even a huge McNabb fan, but even at this stage of his career he has far more talent than Fitz.My problem is that any team that gets him will be doing so thinking he's all they need. I don't see that in McNabb. And why displace Fitz for another vet who probably won't get this team to the playoffs either? All you did was spend a bunch more money and screw up your chemistry to get similar results.

[Lucky]

scott mitchell, jeff blake, aaron brooks put their teams in the playoffs...

derek anderson is the rare exception.

So what? None of these guys took their teams deep into the playoffs. Where are they today? All were bus driver QBs at best on solid teams. At best, that is all Fitz is. A compelling case could be made had each of these teams had a solid franchise team their chances of reaching the super bowl would have been much better. We need a real QB, not a bus driver.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

The problem is Fitz is not nearly as good as any of those guys you cite, with the exception of Grossman, Chandler, and Bono. Not sure what point you are trying to make. I would put McNabb in the category of the QBs mentioned above. Closest comparison would be McNair IMO.

i disagree that fitz is not as good as the above mentioned... the point is if fitz is that good than we can have a chance at the superbowl

[Lucky]

My problem is that any team that gets him will be doing so thinking he's all they need. I don't see that in McNabb. And why displace Fitz for another vet who probably won't get this team to the playoffs either? All you did was spend a bunch more money and screw up your chemistry to get similar results.

I think McNabb becomes much more affordable after this season. I also think he still has enough left in the tank to play well for another 3-4 years under the right system. This would buy us time to find, draft, groom a franchise QB. I would much prefer McNabb mentoring a franchise QB then Fitz. Gailey would get the most out of him. McNabb playing at his highest level versus Fitz playing at his highest level is not even a fair comparison. McNabb wins hands down. My point being is McNabb is a better short term stopgap than Fitz.

[better days]

I agree that we need to concentrate our full attention in getting our next franchise QB.

However, in the meantime, if the choice was McNabb or Fitz straight up, I would take McNabb over Fitz. I am not even a huge McNabb fan, but even at this stage of his career he has far more talent than Fitz.

At this stage of his career, McNabb has less talent than Fitz. As to mentoring a young QB, Fitz is smarter than McNabb, & is a great leader & teammate he will make a very good mentor.

[BertSquirtgum]

mcnabb most certainly does not have less talent than fitz. x-era is 100% correct though, why mess up the team's chemistry and spend a ton of money.

[SABURZFAN]

Looks like the Skins are stupidly benching McNabb for Rex Grossman this weekend for their game agains the Cowboys. Speculation is he will be cut at the end of the season (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rex-grossman-to-start-over-don.html).

Should we go after him? His stock will certainly be much less than what it was this past offseason. He's certainly better than Fitz and it would buy us a couple of years to upgrade the rest of the roster.

I see pros and cons either way. What do you guys think?


no thanks

[Dr. Taylor Zaius]

Looks like the Skins are stupidly benching McNabb for Rex Grossman this weekend for their game agains the Cowboys. Speculation is he will be cut at the end of the season (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rex-grossman-to-start-over-don.html).

Should we go after him? His stock will certainly be much less than what it was this past offseason. He's certainly better than Fitz and it would buy us a couple of years to upgrade the rest of the roster.

I see pros and cons either way. What do you guys think?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:monkeyp: :monkeyp:

[better days]

mcnabb most certainly does not have less talent than fitz. x-era is 100% correct though, why mess up the team's chemistry and spend a ton of money.

Well, the numbers this year would suggest that at this point in his career, McNabb is not as good a QB as Fitz.

[BertSquirtgum]

Well, the numbers this year would suggest that at this point in his career, McNabb is not as good a QB as Fitz.

if you think our o-line is bad, watch a redskins game. they are worse than putrid.

[better days]

if you think our o-line is bad, watch a redskins game. they are worse than putrid.

Well, when Fitz took over from Edwards, he made the line look much better. If McNabb is all that, he should do the same in Washington.

[JCBills]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Fitz. He's just not very talented. A solid backup though. Please dont forget he was beat out in training camp by none other than Edwards. Sure he is starting now, but virtually by defalut due to Edwards horrible play. He's better than Edwards, but not that much better.

Please tell me what it is you see in Fitz that makes you think he is so great.

As for my logic, look no further than his W-L record.

LOL

So for McNabb it can be blamed on the defense etc etc, but not for Fitz? Our D has been atrocious.

[Lucky]

As to mentoring a young QB, Fitz is smarter than McNabb, & is a great leader & teammate he will make a very good mentor.

Please back this up with facts. Start with a side by side comparison of their career stats, along with a side by side comparison of of their career won lost records. Particularly interested on why you would say "Fitz is smarter than McNabb".

[kelly2reed4six]

Looks like the Skins are stupidly benching McNabb for Rex Grossman this weekend for their game agains the Cowboys. Speculation is he will be cut at the end of the season (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rex-grossman-to-start-over-don.html).

Should we go after him? His stock will certainly be much less than what it was this past offseason. He's certainly better than Fitz and it would buy us a couple of years to upgrade the rest of the roster.

I see pros and cons either way. What do you guys think?


FFFFFFF NO!!!!!!!

[kelly2reed4six]

Particularly interested on why you would say "Fitz is smarter than McNabb".


Fitz is smarter than EVERYONE....that's why! Literally, the guy is like the Einstein of football players.

[Lucky]

Fitz is smarter than EVERYONE....that's why! Literally, the guy is like the Einstein of football players.

Do I detect a hint of sacrasm here? (LOL)
I must say, those who think Fitz is the answer certainly are passionate in their opinion and seem quite intolerate of those with a differing opinion?

[Joe Fo Sho]

Please back this up with facts. Start with a side by side comparison of their career stats, along with a side by side comparison of of their career won lost records. Particularly interested on why you would say "Fitz is smarter than McNabb".

Fitz was named one of the smartest athletes by sportnews, McNabb was not.

[Jeff1220]

I've always been a huge McNabb fan. I would've loved to see the Bills pick him up last year. That said, after this season, I am sooooooo glad they didn't. I don't see how McNabb would ever have success on the Bills (vs. the AFCE) at this point in his career. That page has turned.
I couldhowever see how he might be able to do in Minnesota what Favre did the past few years, with their line and running game, but not in Buffalo.

[tampabay25690]

Why bother this team needs to look in the future

[YardRat]

Is it too late for a Hell No?

And is that really Garcia's wife??

[bluerosekiller]

Damn, I can't believe all this hate for the guy that's pretty much responsible for keeping us from the horror of being 0-13 at this point.
Oh sure, there are those that will actually hold that against him because of the position it will cost us in the draft, but I'm not one of them.
Fitz has made this season one worth watching as opposed to just leaving the television off on Sundays.
No, three wins thus far isn't a lot, but we were "in" a lot more games than that & against some very good teams. So...
Some might use the old cliche about "handgrenades & horseshoes", but not me. After what we witnessed in weeks one & two, things could have been MUCH worse OMO. And other than maybe two other games after that, I've been entertained by the Bills this season. With much of that owed to Fitz's play.
So, personally, I'd like to see him given another year with a few more tools to work with.

[Philagape]

They also need an upgrade at LB, so they should go after Shawne Merr.....oh, never mind.

[better days]

Please back this up with facts. Start with a side by side comparison of their career stats, along with a side by side comparison of of their career won lost records. Particularly interested on why you would say "Fitz is smarter than McNabb".

The argument is not about how good McNabb was in the PAST. It is about how good he is TODAY & going forward to tomorrow.

If you look at the numbers this year Fitz is the better QB. I wonder how many games the Redskins would have won if they played the Bills schedule. As has been said already, a Harvard grad, Fitz is considered to be one of the smartest people in sports.

[ServoBillieves]

too much bickering to sift through...

So no, no to McNabb. Whoever said Fitz wasn't talented is ignorant. Anyone else see him get rushed out of the pocket and turn it in to a first down? See him finding receivers and moving the chains? Did Trent do that? Nah, Fitz was Trent's backup... He can't be better.

But remember, since Fitz is a career backup (even though he's started numerous times) he doesn't have the tools, he doesn't get the deep ball to Evans, he can't run, and he doesn't spend time with his receivers during practice/other times.

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

[kelly2reed4six]

Do I detect a hint of sacrasm here? (LOL)
I must say, those who think Fitz is the answer certainly are passionate in their opinion and seem quite intolerate of those with a differing opinion?


He's a far cry from the answer, but he's certainly as good as McNabb at this point each of their careers.

[BertSquirtgum]

he doesn't get the deep ball to Evans

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

it's his job to spread the ball. not pass the ball to stevie j 80% of the time. it's fitz's fault that lee evans doesn't have any yards this year. he rarely passes to him.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Fitz is a career backup at best. McNabb still has a few years left in him, perhaps more. Gailey is a QB guru who will get the most out of McNabb, certainly more than the dysfunctional Skins could ever muster.

McNabb is a stopgap who has a better arm than Fitz, more mobile and more savy.

Look beyond the stats, as the Skins are probably even worse than we are this year and McNabb is running for his life, his WR's are old and he has no running game. In addition their D is woeful, thus he is always playing catchup.McNabb would get killed behind this Oline. He isn't the same QB you think he is. His career is about over, he would obviously cost more than Fitz would, and we don't need a stop gap because we already have one. Next...

[El Guapo]

Fitz>McNabb and i hate Fitz with a passion..

That's true, you really do hate Fitzy. Your feelings are misguided, but there's no doubt you do not want him in a Bills' uni.