Some Scouts Aren't Sold On Gabbert

[DraftBoy]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-all-the-Blaine-Gabbert-hype.html

Over the past two weeks the one name you can’t stop hearing come out of the mouth of just about any media source is Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert. He’s now being discussed as a potential top-10 pick for the 2011 NFL Draft, and according to some could end up being the top quarterback off the board.

Now this happens from time to time, when a potential blue-chip caliber position player, like Stanford QB Andrew Luck, decides to stay in school. There is an automatic uproar about who is the next-best player at that position and he kind of just shoots all the way up particular draft boards because he’s now considered one of the top quarterbacks in the country.

Im not saying I agree or disagree with this analysis but it is a good review.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Some Scouts Aren't Sold On Gabbert

Don't always agree with Bunting, but that's a pretty good write up, much better than that hack piece from Football Outsiders. Guy barely watched Gabbert play, but thought he should evaluate him based on a single bowl game.

Bunting's "Scout Talk" podcast is a pretty good listen, former Bears director of college scouting, Greg Gabriel, is on with him. They do a pretty good job, and Gabriel has a ton of experience going back to his days with Young/Parcells.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Some Scouts Aren't Sold On Gabbert

Don't always agree with Bunting, but that's a pretty good write up, much better than that hack piece from Football Outsiders. Guy barely watched Gabbert play, but thought he should evaluate him based on a single bowl game.

Bunting's "Scout Talk" podcast is a pretty good listen, former Bears director of college scouting, Greg Gabriel, is on with him. They do a pretty good job, and Gabriel has a ton of experience going back to his days with Young/Parcells.

Yea I dont agree with everything Wes says but he's good at film breakdown and he's put in the time. Granted its also in his genes.

[psubills62]

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Good read, thanks for posting it DB. Confirms my belief that he's nowhere near worth the 3rd overall pick. However, I do think he'll go in the first round due to QB overdrafting (another issue in itself).

To be honest, he sounds like a pretty decent fit for the Bills. First, he is a pocket passer with mobility. Second, he has upside if you can sit him and develop him (which I think we can do with Fitz).

The only concern is where we'd need to select him. Like I said in the other thread, we'd almost certainly either have to trade down a ways or trade back up into the first round. Not sure how comfortable I am trading up to get him (or anyone else at this point).

[don137]

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It amazes me how for the last year or more many were saying this draft will be the strongest at QB since the 1983 class yet I do not hear any QB without serious question marks assigned to all of them and their is no sure fire stud. My guess maybe one or two of them may turn out as good QBs but it sounds like most will never be anything more than a backup. I think the 1983 class will have more HOF QBs then this QB class will have as good NFL starters.

[better days]

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Questions about him as there are about every QB in this draft. If the Bills could trade down & get him I would be happy with that.

[Bill Cody]

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I agree with it but there are a number of teams that need QB's and the choices are pretty limited. He may end up going earlier than he really should.
The teams I highlighted are all teams that might want to pull the trigger on a QB in the 1st.
Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14) no
2. Denver (4-12) no
3. Buffalo (4-12)
4. Cincinnati (4-12)
5. Arizona (5-11)
6. Cleveland (5-11)
7. San Francisco (6-10)
8. Tennessee (6-10)
9. Dallas (6-10)
10. Washington (6-10)
11. Houston (6-10)
12. Minnesota (6-10)
13. Detroit (6-10)
14. St. Louis (7-9)
15. Miami (7-9)
16. Jacksonville (8-8)
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8)
18. San Diego (9-7)
19. New York Giants (10-6)
20. Tampa Bay (10-6)
21. Kansas City* (10-6)
22. Indianapolis* (10-6)
23. Philadelphia* (10-6)
24. New Orleans* (11-5)
25. Seattle* (7-9)
26. Green Bay* (10-6)
27. New York Jets* (11-5)
28. Baltimore* (12-4)
29. Chicago* (11-5)
30. Pittsburgh* (12-4)
31. Atlanta* (13-3)
32. New England* (14-2)

If a QB falls beyond 25 there's a good chance he drops all the way down to us in the 2nd.

[better days]

Re: Some Scouts Aren't Sold On Gabbert

I agree with it but there are a number of teams that need QB's and the choices are pretty limited. He may end up going earlier than he really should.
The teams I highlighted are all teams that might want to pull the trigger on a QB in the 1st.
Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14) no
2. Denver (4-12) no
3. Buffalo (4-12)
4. Cincinnati (4-12)
5. Arizona (5-11)
6. Cleveland (5-11)
7. San Francisco (6-10)
8. Tennessee (6-10)
9. Dallas (6-10)
10. Washington (6-10)
11. Houston (6-10)
12. Minnesota (6-10)
13. Detroit (6-10)
14. St. Louis (7-9)
15. Miami (7-9)
16. Jacksonville (8-8)
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8)
18. San Diego (9-7)
19. New York Giants (10-6)
20. Tampa Bay (10-6)
21. Kansas City* (10-6)
22. Indianapolis* (10-6)
23. Philadelphia* (10-6)
24. New Orleans* (11-5)
25. Seattle* (7-9)
26. Green Bay* (10-6)
27. New York Jets* (11-5)
28. Baltimore* (12-4)
29. Chicago* (11-5)
30. Pittsburgh* (12-4)
31. Atlanta* (13-3)
32. New England* (14-2)

If a QB falls beyond 25 there's a good chance he drops all the way down to us in the 2nd.

Unless as Denver did last year, a team trades back into the 1st for a guy they really want.

[Bill Cody]

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Unless as Denver did last year, a team trades back into the 1st for a guy they really want.

Yes that's possible. But I honestly don't want that to be us. Been there done that bought the t-shirt.

[Extremebillsfan247]

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I'm not surprised, by comparison our own Levi Brown had better numbers than Gabbert virtually everywhere. If Levi were in this years draft with the numbers he put up in his last year at Troy, it wouldn't surprise me if he were talked about as going high in the draft. It's starting to make me think that all this talent rich QB class talk was all hype, and now that Luck isn't coming out, reality is starting to hit home a bit. This class could be potentially worse than last years was. JMO

[better days]

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Yes that's possible. But I honestly don't want that to be us. Been there done that bought the t-shirt.

I am with you, I would not want to give up anything to move up & get him, but if the Bills could find a trade partner to trade down & get another pick then draft Gabbert with a lower 1st rnd pick, I would love that.

[don137]

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I still think a few of the QBs will fall to round two. I think one of two things will happen. The Bills will draft a QB in round two if they like the guy or if the Bills do not like them I can see a few trade offers coming their way for the #2 pick round two and the Bills getting an extra third or fourth rounder out of it depending on who is there.

[ServoBillieves]

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I'm still confused with Gabbert.

When Luck was around, it was "If Luck isn't there, there's still Mallett, Newton, Ponder..."

Yet, Luck says he's going to stay in school, and Gabbert is God's gift to the QB position and leapfrogs every other QB. When the hell did this happen?

[Bangarang]

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Before the talking heads at ESPN mentioned this kid going in the top 5, NOBODY even had him going in the first round. Everyone knew he should have stayed in school and will be a project coming into the NFL. It's just weird how everyone's opinion on him changed so quickly.

[Akhippo]

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Round 1

1. Carolina (2-14) no
2. Denver (4-12) no
3. Buffalo (4-12)
4. Cincinnati (4-12)
5. Arizona (5-11)
6. Cleveland (5-11)
7. San Francisco (6-10)
8. Tennessee (6-10)
9. Dallas (6-10)
10. Washington (6-10)
11. Houston (6-10)
12. Minnesota (6-10)
13. Detroit (6-10)
14. St. Louis (7-9)
15. Miami (7-9)
16. Jacksonville (8-8)
17. New England - from Oakland (8-8)
18. San Diego (9-7)
19. New York Giants (10-6)
20. Tampa Bay (10-6)
21. Kansas City* (10-6)
22. Indianapolis* (10-6)
23. Philadelphia* (10-6)
24. New Orleans* (11-5)
25. Seattle* (7-9)
26. Green Bay* (10-6)
27. New York Jets* (11-5)
28. Baltimore* (12-4)
29. Chicago* (11-5)
30. Pittsburgh* (12-4)
31. Atlanta* (13-3)
32. New England* (14-2)

If a QB falls beyond 25 there's a good chance he drops all the way down to us in the 2nd.

There are alot of variables to the draft and these QBs. Especially since they all have their own unique flaws.

Mallet - Slow Footed
Newton - Passer Capable?
Gabbert - Shotgun and reads
Locker - Potential after horrid season

The key is a concensus order and hope a team has one rated way higher than the rest. Say Washington really likes Locker and thinks that Tenn. might grab him. Would they trade with Buffalo for the #3 and give up a second this year and next for him.

Or does Minny need one that bad that they would move above SF? How about Tenn? I hope like heck that they get desperate for a QB in the coming months and that AZ and SF lay on the "we need a QB bad" act.

Even better would be to move down to #10, have Gabbert still there and pick him, then have two seconds to fix the defense.