My dream Draft

[DesertFox24]

All,

Please review. I am trying to do this BPA meets impact. Also let me know if the round is way to high or low for a guy.

1 - Marcel Dareus - this guy is a stud nothing more to add
2 - Martez Webster - look we need a lot of help in the front 7 and this guy is going to be a stud
3 - KJ Wright - nice looking OLB prospect can compete for starting job this year. Also would give us some nice LB depth.
4 - Tyler Sash & Ricky Stanzi (I would like to get Sash a lot, not sure on Stanzi would rather have Dalton but he will be long gone).
5 - Karl Klug DE Iowa (this guy is another Kyle Williams that will play DE for us) Pernell McPhee is another possibility
6 - Mario Harvey ILB Marshall
7 - Joe Barksdale played LT at LSU will compete for our RT spot

Our DL would consist of the following
1 Troup
2 Williams
3 Carrington
4 Dareus
5 Klug
6 Johnson

Our LB (Gailey said he wants a lot LBs for flexibility and special teams, could remove Torbor and Davis to make 10)
7 Kelsay
8 Poz (sounds like he will be back and bills want him back)
9 Webster
10 Merriman
11 Harvey
12 Wright
13 Harvey
14 Torbor
15 Moats
16 Batten
17 Davis
18 Coleman

Our QB
19 Fitz
20 Stanzi
21 Brown

Our OL
22 Bell
23 Levitre
24 Wood
25 Urbik
26 Howard
27 Hang
28 Rinehart
29 Barksdale

CB
30 McGee
31 McKelvin
32 Florence (needs to come back)
33 Corner

DB
34 Wilson (needs to come back)
35 Bryd
36 Sash
37 Scott

WR/TE
38 Evans
39 Johnson
40 Parrish
41 Nelson
42 Easley
43 Jones
44 Stupar
45 Chandler
46 Nelson

RB
47 Spiller
48 Jackson
49 McInyter
50 UDFA

This leaves us with 50 players so looking at this roster I could definitely see another OL, CB, and a DB.

[Mahdi]

Re: My dream Draft

I don't like the Dareus pick because IMO, if you are taking a DL in the top 5 he MUST be a pass rusher.

Suh was chosen #2 because of his ability to pass rush same with McCoy. If those guys didn't get as many sacks as they did and be as disruptive they would not have been selected in the top 5.

Bowers and Fairley are better value.

[Bangarang]

Re: My dream Draft

I don't like the Dareus pick because IMO, if you are taking a DL in the top 5 he MUST be a pass rusher.

Suh was chosen #2 because of his ability to pass rush same with McCoy. If those guys didn't get as many sacks as they did and be as disruptive they would not have been selected in the top 5.

Bowers and Fairley are better value.

Bowers isn't explosive enough for my liking. I think he'll bust in the NFL.

[Mahdi]

Re: My dream Draft

Bowers isn't explosive enough for my liking. I think he'll bust in the NFL.

Not explosive enough? This guy made a living in the backfield. He is not Robert Mathis quick but he is definitely explosive and also brings size and strength.

[Bangarang]

Re: My dream Draft

Not explosive enough? This guy made a living in the backfield. He is not Robert Mathis quick but he is definitely explosive and also brings size and strength.

Just not a fan of his first step. He may end up a very good pro in the NFL. Who knows?

[tomz]

Re: My dream Draft

In the third, Luke Stocker would be interesting if still available. He's a tight end who can do both functions decently.

For now, I agree with Bangarang at this point on Bowers: the little bit of video on the web suggests he is a one-move, speed guy. In no highlight that I have seen (admittedly, somewhat limited) did he bull bullrush, use leverage or us an inside move. Having a little variety in this regard is why, for example, Orakpo, had rapid impact.

[justasportsfan]

Re: My dream Draft

I don't like the Dareus pick because IMO, if you are taking a DL in the top 5 he MUST be a pass rusher.

Suh was chosen #2 because of his ability to pass rush same with McCoy. If those guys didn't get as many sacks as they did and be as disruptive they would not have been selected in the top 5.

Bowers and Fairley are better value.

in a 3-4 base the pass rush comes from the lbers. We need run stuffers at DL on both 3-4 and 4-3 and I believe Dareus can on both defensive schemes.

[Mahdi]

Re: My dream Draft

in a 3-4 base the pass rush comes from the lbers. We need run stuffers at DL on both 3-4 and 4-3 and I believe Dareus can on both defensive schemes.

I agree. The pass rush does come from the LBs. But you don't waste a top 3 pick on a run stuffer.

Look around the league at the top 3-4 defenses and tell me how many DEs are top 3 or even top 15 draftees. The only DL players I would select to play DE are players that can provide an interior pass rush as Seymour did. They would be Fairley and Bowers.

All that being said I like our DL... Carrington, Troup, KW, Stroud, Johnson and don't forget Dewan Edwards was having a great season.

At #3 we must take a player who is either a QB, pass rusher, LT or shut down CB or some incredible ILB prospect which doesn't exist, same for LT.

That leaves QB, pass rusher, shutdown CB.

[Ed]

Re: My dream Draft

Well you still need a kicker, punter and long snapper so that would take up your last 3 spots. I don't think there's anyway we carry 12 LB's and only 8 DB's.

I also don't think that we're going to cut Wang after only one season and they probably won't and shouldn't cut Dwan Edwards.

Plus this roster assumes that we don't sign any free agents. That's highly unlikely.

[DesertFox24]

Re: My dream Draft

Dude Dareus can rush the passer and that would allow us to use some 8 man drops. He got 11.5 sacks in 2 years as a 34 end, what more could you want.

[DesertFox24]

Re: My dream Draft

Well you still need a kicker, punter and long snapper so that would take up your last 3 spots. I don't think there's anyway we carry 12 LB's and only 8 DB's.

I also don't think that we're going to cut Wang after only one season and they probably won't and shouldn't cut Dwan Edwards.

Plus this roster assumes that we don't sign any free agents. That's highly unlikely.

True I did forget edwards, Wang, Lindell, Moorman, Sanbor. Def cut Torbor Davis.

[Mahdi]

Re: My dream Draft

Dude Dareus can rush the passer and that would allow us to use some 8 man drops. He got 11.5 sacks in 2 years as a 34 end, what more could you want.

I could want a lot more.

Dareus had 5 sacks, 33 tackles, 11 TFL.

Bowers had 16 sacks, 67 tackles, 25 TFL

Fairley had 12 sacks, 56 tackles, 24 TFL.

Those are big differences. For me, Bowers and Fairley are more disruptive and better pure pass rushers. If I want a run defender I can get one later in the draft and not pay him 50 mil.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Re: My dream Draft

I could want a lot more.

Dareus had 5 sacks, 33 tackles, 11 TFL.

Bowers had 16 sacks, 67 tackles, 25 TFL

Fairley had 12 sacks, 56 tackles, 24 TFL.

Those are big differences. For me, Bowers and Fairley are more disruptive and better pure pass rushers. If I want a run defender I can get one later in the draft and not pay him 50 mil.

But only one played a 5 tech in a 3-4, that's a monster difference. Also, the best team of this decade felt it was worthy to draft 5 tech's early an often. Both Seymore and Ty Warren were drafted in the top 14 and both helped New England win a superbowl

[Mahdi]

Re: My dream Draft

But only one played a 5 tech in a 3-4, that's a monster difference. Also, the best team of this decade felt it was worthy to draft 5 tech's early an often. Both Seymore and Ty Warren were drafted in the top 14 and both helped New England win a superbowl

Good point. New England did draft Seymour high. But he was a very disruptive player.

Warren was picked 14th so there is more flexibility with that pick.

I don't agree that Dareus playing 3-4 DE makes him more valuable or more likely to be chosen. You pick the best player not the guy who plays your scheme, especially at 3.


Dareus may be a better pass rusher than I am giving him credit for but I think Bowers and Fairley are much better pass rushers and that is where the value is when you are picking in the top 3.

Don't forget we invested heavily at the DE/DT position. Edwards, Troup, Carrington.

[DraftBoy]

Re: My dream Draft

I could want a lot more.

Dareus had 5 sacks, 33 tackles, 11 TFL.

Bowers had 16 sacks, 67 tackles, 25 TFL

Fairley had 12 sacks, 56 tackles, 24 TFL.

Those are big differences. For me, Bowers and Fairley are more disruptive and better pure pass rushers. If I want a run defender I can get one later in the draft and not pay him 50 mil.

You're ignoring their scheme and what each player was asked to do, to try and make your point work. How is that fair or make your point at all relevant?