Do you even envision Cam Newton makes that pass

[ghz in pittsburgh]

on his rollout, when people are moving, when defenders are coming so close.

This is what Ben is at his best, not so much of having everything under his control when Brady is at his best, not the the precise timing that peyton shows all the time. It's play that looks going bad quickly and Ben just makes the best he could - not a highlight reeling kind of play, mind you, just enough to get it done.

Some have compared Newton's playing style, body size to Ben. Both of them are not a film room guy like Peyton was since college. When Roethlisberger came out, people have seen this kind of stuff for 3 years at Miami U of Ohio. Count me as one guy who did not believe that he could translate that into NFL at that time. He proved us wrong.

Now the question is onto Newton. He has a much smaller sample size to choose from. The question is can we envision him doing that in NFL on a regular basis a couple of years down the road?

[Ingtar33]

no

[G Wolly]

The question is can we envision him doing that in NFL on a regular basis a couple of years down the road?

Sure.

After he crashes his motorcycles and takes advantage of a few drunk girls.

[Bangarang]

Newton isn't even close to the kind of player Big Ben was in college. Nor will he come close to the kind of player he is in the pros.

[Bill Cody]

Newton isn't even close to the kind of player Big Ben was in college. Nor will he come close to the kind of player he is in the pros.

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.

[imbondz]

on his rollout, when people are moving, when defenders are coming so close.

This is what Ben is at his best, not so much of having everything under his control when Brady is at his best, not the the precise timing that peyton shows all the time. It's play that looks going bad quickly and Ben just makes the best he could - not a highlight reeling kind of play, mind you, just enough to get it done.

Some have compared Newton's playing style, body size to Ben. Both of them are not a film room guy like Peyton was since college. When Roethlisberger came out, people have seen this kind of stuff for 3 years at Miami U of Ohio. Count me as one guy who did not believe that he could translate that into NFL at that time. He proved us wrong.

Now the question is onto Newton. He has a much smaller sample size to choose from. The question is can we envision him doing that in NFL on a regular basis a couple of years down the road?

No. I envision Cam running 25 yards on that play.

[Ingtar33]

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.


when is the last time a player in the MAC was even under consideration for a heisman.

[Night Train]

Cam would have ran it for 40 yards, got up and dusted off his red cape.

[G Wolly]

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.

Matt Leinart won one.

[Jan Reimers]

Now the question is onto Newton. He has a much smaller sample size to choose from. The question is can we envision him doing that in NFL on a regular basis a couple of years down the road?
As long as I don't have to envision him in a Bills' uniform . . .

[Bangarang]

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.

I'm sure Ben is plenty happy with being a Super Bowl winner than a Heisman winner.

And since when did winning the Heisman mean NFL success?

[mikemac2001]

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.


College Qb espically a heisman winner doesn't mean jack....does that mean cam will suck NO and idk how he will be as a pro but i don't think he is worth the 3rd pick in the draft.....id take him in rd 2 though


1989 Andre Ware Houston Quarterback 1,073

1990 Ty Detmer BYU Quarterback 1,482
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan Wide Receiver 2,077

1992 Gino Torretta Miami Quarterback 1,400

1993 Charlie Ward Florida State Quarterback 1,743
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado Running Back 1,743

1995 Eddie George Ohio State Running Back 1,460

1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida Quarterback 1,363
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan Cornerback/Wide Receiver/Punt Returner 1,815

1998 Ricky Williams Texas Running Back 2,355

1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin Running Back 2,042

2000 Chris Weinke Florida State Quarterback 1,628
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback 770

2002 Carson Palmer* USC Quarterback 1,328

2003 Jason White Oklahoma Quarterback 1,481

2004 Matt Leinart USC Quarterback 1,325
2005 Reggie Bush (vacated)[n 1] [n 2] USC Running Back 2,541

2006 Troy Smith Ohio State Quarterback 2,540

2007 Tim Tebow Florida Quarterback 1,957

2008 Sam Bradford* Oklahoma Quarterback 1,726
2009 Mark Ingram, Jr. Alabama Running Back 1,304

2010 Cameron Newton Auburn Quarterback 2,263

[Bill Cody]

when is the last time a player in the MAC was even under consideration for a heisman.

Probably never and with good reason, how do you measure a player playing against inferior competition? Newton deserved the Heisman. He carried his team on his back to an undefeated season. In fact if it wasn't for the flap over his dad trying to sell his son's services to colleges he would have won by the largest margin ever. I'm not saying we should draft Newton but he was awesome at Auburn this year.

[better days]

Probably never and with good reason, how do you measure a player playing against inferior competition? Newton deserved the Heisman. He carried his team on his back to an undefeated season. In fact if it wasn't for the flap over his dad trying to sell his son's services to colleges he would have won by the largest margin ever. I'm not saying we should draft Newton but he was awesome at Auburn this year.

Well, Cam had no real competition for the Heisman so you could be right, but there was also the fact he was caught cheating while at Florida three times & he was also caught with a stolen computer. Those are issues NFL teams will be looking into before drafting Newton.

[kingJofNYC]

I think he would've ate the football instead of throwing it.

[Bill Cody]

Well, Cam had no real competition for the Heisman so you could be right, but there was also the fact he was caught cheating while at Florida three times & he was also caught with a stolen computer. Those are issues NFL teams will be looking into before drafting Newton.

I agree. But at the end of the day he still goes top 15.

[better days]

I agree. But at the end of the day he still goes top 15.

With all the QB needy teams, you could also be right about that.

[Mr. Miyagi]

How many Heisman's did Ben win? I forget.
Oh yeah because Heismans mean everything.

We should go sign Eric Crouch then. Isn't he an FA?

[Bill Cody]

Oh yeah because Heismans mean everything.

We should go sign Eric Crouch then. Isn't he an FA?

:monkeyp: Mr. Miyagi

[TacklingDummy]

If the Bills didn't win the meaningless game against the Jets in 2003 then Ben would be a Bill. Hooray for meaningless victories.

[TMu11]

Oh yeah because Heismans mean everything.

We should go sign Eric Crouch then. Isn't he an FA?
Wasn't his name Eric Couch? I could be wrong

[X-Era]

Wasn't his name Eric Couch? I could be wrongTim Couch, Eric Crouch.