Senior Bowl GDT

[X-Era]

I'll start.

Big play but Ponder made a horrible throw.

[X-Era]

Stocker made a nice block.

[X-Era]

Another under thrown ball that almost got picked by Burney.

Not a Ponder fan.

[kingJofNYC]

Great play by Von Miller on that screen.

[X-Era]

Great play by Von Miller on that screen.Sheppard looks about the same. Is around the ball but often isn't making the play.

Miller could be a nasty rush OLB in a 3-4. I just wish he was bigger.

[X-Era]

IMO, Hankerson will make some team very happy. I like him a lot.

[wmoz11]

He showed nice hands on that catch and we all know about his size. Is he fast enough and can he beat jams? Those will be the issues, IMO, though his speed looks good enough.

[X-Era]

He showed nice hands on that catch and we all know about his size. Is he fast enough and can he beat jams? Those will be the issues, IMO, though his speed looks good enough.He doesn't have ideal speed but what he does have is a fantastic ability to adjust and make plays. He will be very productive because he find opens spots and can adjust. He catches the ball real well as well.

[Mad Max]

Baby brother Matthews is better than POZ right now.

[X-Era]

Greg Jones is not impressing at all.

[X-Era]

Baby brother Matthews is better than POZ right now.I really like his motor and instincts and I think he can be had after the 4th round possibly.

[kingJofNYC]

Baby brother Matthews is better than POZ right now.

He was slow to get up after getting knocked by Locke.

North is getting mauled up front.

[X-Era]

James Carpenter and putting on a show... he could raise his stock up into the 2nd round.

[X-Era]

Theres Hankerson for ya.

[Mad Max]

He was slow to get up after getting knocked by Locke.

North is getting mauled up front.

I saw that helmet to helmet/shoulder...his head's ringing

[Mad Max]

please, please, please don't let Gailey sport wood for Ponder after this game.

[methos4ever]

I guess the Bills tempo in practices wasn't a detriment?

[wmoz11]

Poz did things in college that Matthews couldn't even dream about. Please don't compare current college players to current NFL players as far as "x is better than y."

[X-Era]

please, please, please don't let Gailey sport wood for Ponder after this game.:pray:

Did you hear him say he's know him for a long time? Ugghhh. I don't want this guy. To me he's this years Snead or Crompton.

[X-Era]

Poz did things in college that Matthews couldn't even dream about. Please don't compare current college players to current NFL players as far as "x is better than y."IF we compare to previous prospects, I'd go with a poor mans Angerer.

[Mad Max]

Poz did things in college that Matthews couldn't even dream about. Please don't compare current college players to current NFL players as far as "x is better than y."

POZ is mediocre at best in the NFL, so I think I will ponder (no pun) the possibilities of someone better.

Zach Thomas was a 4th rounder or 6th? at one point as well.

[wmoz11]

IF we compare to previous prospects, I'd go with a poor mans Angerer.

That's pretty good. And Angerer is a poor man's Poz, although I expect him to end up pretty good.

[wmoz11]

POZ is mediocre at best in the NFL, so I think I will ponder (no pun) the possibilities of someone better.

Zach Thomas was a 4th rounder or 6th? at one point as well.

You said that Matthews was better than Poz right now. It was a stupid post.

If you want to say that Matthews will be better than Poz someday, that's fine.

[Mad Max]

You said that Matthews was better than Poz right now. It was a stupid post.

If you want to say that Matthews will be better than Poz someday, that's fine.

It's called hyperbole, look it up.

This is a football forum, not word of law..loosen up.

[kingJofNYC]

Man Locker is always off, got Young killed.

[wmoz11]

It's called hyperbole, look it up.

This is a football forum, not word of law..loosen up.

It's called ******ation in my dictionary.

Anyway... Solder got absolutely worked on that pass rush move. Is he the best OT prospect in the draft?

[Mad Max]

It's called ******ation in my dictionary.
lol, you're a pissy little troll today huh?

carry on

[wmoz11]

lol, you're a pissy little troll today huh?

carry on

Just a Poz nut-hugger.

[Mad Max]

Just a Poz nut-hugger.

ahh that splains it, it get's confusing remembering which posters love which players

[Night Train]

Why don't you two PM each other Valentines, while we discuss the game.

****tards.

[wmoz11]

ahh that splains it, it get's confusing remembering which posters love which players

You can talk about my mom, but don't you dare talk about my Poz. And I'm only half kidding.

That happens when your favorite college player on your favorite college team gets drafted by your favorite pro team.

It's a sickness.

[Mad Max]

You can talk about my mom, but don't you dare talk about my Poz. And I'm only half kidding.

That happens when your favorite college player on your favorite college team gets drafted by your favorite pro team.

It's a sickness.

haha. I'll count myself lucky that PSU isn't around or I'd be getting double teamed.

[kingJofNYC]

Gailey, hahaha. Dude is trying to follow the game and these guys are throwing out questions.

[methos4ever]

"I'll talk to you guys after this next play"...(Awkward silence)...."yeah..."

[Mad Max]

This game is littered with backup NFL QB's

[methos4ever]

Best way to put it - South team 1 first rounder tops vs North Teams several. Good stuff.

[SquishDaFish]

Im liking Gailey more and More everytime I see him coaching

[Mad Max]

There you go, let's see more nice CB play...enough for Gailey and Co. to NOT draft Peterson at #3.

[kingJofNYC]

Von Miller was completely stood up by Solder on that last pass rush. Didn't show much with his hand fighting, no push back.

[X-Era]

Dalton with a floater... not impressed with any of these QB's

[methos4ever]

One drop away from 24-0. Great playcalling and great pick by Wright on defense.

[Mad Max]

Dalton with a floater... not impressed with any of these QB's

Yep, they all seem meh.

If I was forced to draft one of them as a backup I'd lean towards Dalton.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Ponder reminds me of an accurate Fitzy.

[wmoz11]

I think Ponder looks the part most, but he still doesn't inspire much confidence.

I have loved Locker for a couple years, but he just keeps failing and failing.

[Prov401]

I like that CB Wright. He seems to be around the ball alot, and makes solid tackles.

[SquishDaFish]

I have liked Locker but am beginning to like McElroy

[tampabay25690]

The South is showing why they have the BEST overall prospects....
They are man handeling every aspect of this game.....

[tampabay25690]

This game is littered with backup NFL QB's

I agree there is not 1 guy right now that could start in the NFL.....
Boy does FITZ look real good as are Starting QB right now compared to this SR class....

[X-Era]

Yep, they all seem meh.

If I was forced to draft one of them as a backup I'd lean towards Dalton.I'd probably go Kaepernick... at least he adds a running threat.

[X-Era]

I like that CB Wright. He seems to be around the ball alot, and makes solid tackles.I like him too. He was the guy who Luck blasted.

[X-Era]

I agree there is not 1 guy right now that could start in the NFL.....
Boy does FITZ look real good as are Starting QB right now compared to this SR class....Agreed. Go with a Junior.

[Mad Max]

Mayock is head and shoulders above ALL the other talking heads.

[X-Era]

I like Phil Taylor and I think his stock is rising. But have you noticed how he's been quiet in the game? That's his deal, he can just disappear at times.

[wmoz11]

Agreed. Go with a Junior.

What's the QB class look like next year outside of Luck? Is Barkley a legit guy?

[X-Era]

Sheppard with a "pile on" tackle.

Not a big Sheppard fan.

[Mad Max]

I'd probably go Kaepernick... at least he adds a running threat.

that fkr looks like an over grown Gollum which would really be hard to look at on the sidelines..otherwise you're probably right.

[X-Era]

What's the QB class look like next year outside of Luck? Is Barkley a legit guy?He looks pretty good but is inconsistent. But really that's pretty standard.

Luck
Barkley- Junior at that point
Foles

IMO, we won't be picking at 3 again so Luck is obviously out and if Barkley looks the part, he may be out too.

[kingJofNYC]

Von Miller is everywhere, great scrape exchange on the read option.

Still worried about how he'd hold up in the run game, also lack of pass rush counters.

[Mad Max]

He looks pretty good but is inconsistent. But really that's pretty standard.

Luck
Barkley- Junior at that point
Foles

IMO, we won't be picking at 3 again so Luck is obviously out and if Barkley looks the part, he may be out too.

Landry.Jones.

That guys going to be talked about next season.

Also don't sleep on Terrelle (sp) Pryor. I may like him more than Newton.

[X-Era]

Von Miller is everywhere, great scrape exchange on the read option.

Still worried about how he'd hold up in the run game, also lack of pass rush counters.His size worries me for the 3-4. But the comparisons to Maybin aren't fair... he's way better as a pass rusher, and much more solid against the run.

[wmoz11]

Forgot about Jones. He throws one of the best looking balls I've seen. Incredible amount of RPMs.

[tampabay25690]

Landry.Jones.

That guys going to be talked about next season.

Also don't sleep on Terrelle (sp) Pryor. I may like him more than Newton.

Newton has a 10 times better arm then Pryor will ever have....

[tampabay25690]

His size worries me for the 3-4. But the comparisons to Maybin aren't fair... he's way better as a pass rusher, and much more solid against the run.

The way his frame is he can add probably another 10 pounds.
This may be the playmaker the Bills are looking for.
Bills staff worked with him this whole week.......You never know........
To me he is the best SR in this game...

[Mad Max]

Newton has a 10 times better arm then Pryor will ever have....

10 times huh, that's a lot.

What I like about Pryor is he seems more fluid, and he sounds much more intelligent when he speaks.

Obviously this is all just superficial speculation, but it's the feeling I get.

I'm starting to cool on Newton the more I hear him speak. Quarterbacking comes 50%ish from between the ears.

[Mad Max]

Forgot about Jones. He throws one of the best looking balls I've seen. Incredible amount of RPMs.

Ya I think he's going to do some good things next season. And if he decides to come out may be spoken in the same breath as Luck.

[ServoBillieves]

Judging by the stats and score... I'm guessing Chan's doing a good job? My mom's watching reruns of Law and Order or else I'd be watching -_-.

[Michael82]

I found this earlier for any of you who don't have NFL Network....

http://www.firstrow.net/watch/47724/1/watch-senior-bowl-2011.html

[tampabay25690]

10 times huh, that's a lot.

What I like about Pryor is he seems more fluid, and he sounds much more intelligent when he speaks.

Obviously this is all just superficial speculation, but it's the feeling I get.

I'm starting to cool on Newton the more I hear him speak. Quarterbacking comes 50%ish from between the ears.

Pryor has a very fair arm at best...
Will look great someday holding a clipboard or playing another postion...
newton will be a QB and probably the 1st or 2nd drafted.
Pryor won't even be a the top 5 QB's drafted next year...

[kingJofNYC]

Miller was pancaked on that block.

[tampabay25690]

Judging by the stats and score... I'm guessing Chan's doing a good job? My mom's watching reruns of Law and Order or else I'd be watching -_-.

We gotta get u a TV for your room....

[Mad Max]

Judging by the stats and score... I'm guessing Chan's doing a good job? My mom's watching reruns of Law and Order or else I'd be watching -_-.

Here you go. Enjoy.

http://atdhe.net/24788/watch-2011-under-armour-senior-bowl

[Mad Max]

Pryor has a very fair arm at best...
Will look great someday holding a clipboard or playing another postion...
newton will be a QB and probably the 1st or 2nd drafted.
Pryor won't even be a the top 5 QB's drafted next year...

Remember this next year, and bring it up to me around draft time. I'll have cash on hand, bring US money none of that Cuban stuff you use in FLA.

:giggity:

[ServoBillieves]

Here you go. Enjoy.

http://atdhe.net/24788/watch-2011-under-armour-senior-bowl

Thank you.

[Mad Max]

wow, Locker should have just stayed home, he's not helping his cause

[ServoBillieves]

I agree with the Kendrick Burney thing... he could take over for Corto and be a nice injury backup for a nickel like youboty.

[Ingtar33]

He looks pretty good but is inconsistent. But really that's pretty standard.

Luck
Barkley- Junior at that point
Foles

IMO, we won't be picking at 3 again so Luck is obviously out and if Barkley looks the part, he may be out too.


Nick Foles probably would be in the discussion this year for best QB had he decided to come out.

Luck might rue his decision if Foles shows solid improvement next year

[Beebe's Kid]

So...there is no good players in this game, except Wright? The ones that have been mentioned as looking good were immediately shot down.

Although, it looks like we should be able to draft Matthews in the 5th. I would think the fact that every red-meat eating male in his family was/is a perrenial All-Pro, that he would be gone before that... I wonder if any GM will think the same.

[tampabay25690]

Remember this next year, and bring it up to me around draft time. I'll have cash on hand, bring US money none of that Cuban stuff you use in FLA.

:giggity:

ha ha
draft time it is.

[X-Era]

So...there is no good players in this game, except Wright? The ones that have been mentioned as looking good were immediately shot down.

Although, it looks like we should be able to draft Matthews in the 5th. I would think the fact that every red-meat eating male in his family was/is a perrenial All-Pro, that he would be gone before that... I wonder if any GM will think the same.Heres guys that I'm impressed with:

Burney
Wright
Carpenter
Miller
Boling
Jordan
Hankerson
Kaepernick
Mathews
Sherrod
McCarthy
Solder

[Mad Max]

yep, we're doomed.

Ponder is a mortal lock to become a Buffalo Bill.

[X-Era]

yep, we're doomed.

Ponder is a mortal lock to become a Buffalo Bill.I don't think so. I think if the Bills brass feels alright with Newton's character, they will fall in love with what he does in workouts.

And Gabbert just needs to sell Gailey that he's coachable and that he can develop him.

Ponder comes into play if they don't go QB in the 1st or even 2nd.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Danny watkins looks like another eric wood, he would be a great pick in rd 2. about the right spot for him. we could plow the road!

[Mad Max]

I don't think so. I think if the Bills brass feels alright with Newton's character, they will fall in love with what he does in workouts.

And Gabbert just needs to sell Gailey that he's coachable and that he can develop him.

Ponder comes into play if they don't go QB in the 1st or even 2nd.
I'd prefer Gabby in the first rather than Ponder anywhere.

As far as Newton's character, I ultimately don't think that will be an issue. What I do think will be an issue is his intelligence/quickness. The more I hear him speak the more I see mostly teeth (charisma). He seems very slow mentally.

[X-Era]

I'd prefer Gabby in the first rather than Ponder anywhere.

As far as Newton's character, I ultimately don't think that will be an issue. What i do think will be an issue his intelligence/quickness. The more I hear him speak the more I see mostly teeth (charisma). He seems very slow mentally.I think a QB at 3 is very much on the table and much more so than many are realizing.

Nix's words: "this is a quarterback driven league".

[Mad Max]

I think a QB at 3 is very much on the table and much more so than many are realizing.

Nix's words: "this is a quarterback driven league".

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?

[X-Era]

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?Could be. But I think Gailey will love what he may think he would have in Newton and Gailey coached Kordell Stewart so the fact that he's black may not affect Gailey at all. I think the athleticism of Newton may really intrigue Gailey.

Everyone knows I'm a Gabbert fan and I would love for him to be a Bill. But I just wonder if the offensive minded Gailey may get a hard on for an athlete like Newton.

[YardRat]

Gailey has Ponder playing like **** intentionally, so that he drops on everybody's boards and Nix can scoop him in the second or third round.

[Mad Max]

Could be. But I think Gailey will love what he may think he would have in Newton and Gailey coached Kordell Stewart so the fact that he's black may not affect Gailey at all. I think the athleticism of Newton may really intrigue Gailey.

Everyone knows I'm a Gabbert fan and I would love for him to be a Bill. But I just wonder if the offensive minded Gailey may get a hard on for an athlete like Newton.

Not Gailey, I said Ralph.

Gailey is going to want to draft whomever he thinks is going to help him win. Ralph however is an old white man who although is not a racist may still be a little old school in some aspects of his team/organization.

[YardRat]

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?

Buffalo was the first team to have a black QB...James Harris.

[Yasgur's Farm]

So...there is no good players in this game, except Wright? The ones that have been mentioned as looking good were immediately shot down.

Although, it looks like we should be able to draft Matthews in the 5th. I would think the fact that every red-meat eating male in his family was/is a perrenial All-Pro, that he would be gone before that... I wonder if any GM will think the same.I'd rather have a Matthews on the team as opposed to against us!

[Mad Max]

Gailey has Ponder playing like **** intentionally, so that he drops on everybody's boards and Nix can scoop him in the second or third round.

Ponder had a good game actually. Too bad most of his actual NCAA resume is mediocre.

[YardRat]

Ponder had a good game actually. Too bad most of his actual NCAA resume is mediocre.

I didn't watch...I'm only going by the previous comments in this thread. And, I was kidding.

[Mad Max]

Buffalo was the first team to have a black QB...James Harris.

I stand corrected. He started for a season too? Huh. Interesting.

[THATHURMANATOR]

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?
What about James harris? My god man!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_(quarterback)?wasRedirected=true

[YardRat]

Not Gailey, I said Ralph.

Gailey is going to want to draft whomever he thinks is going to help him win. Ralph however is an old white man who although is not a racist may still be a little old school in some aspects of his team/organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_%28quarterback%29

Harris was drafted in the eighth round of the Common Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_NFL_Draft) by the American Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_League)'s Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills), and would soon join fellow rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) O.J. Simpson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Simpson) in the starting backfield. Continuing the American Football League's more liberal (than the NFL's) personnel policies, the Bills made Harris the first black player to start a season at quarterback and the second black player in the modern era to start in any game as quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) for a Professional Football team.

Please...let's just nip the 'racist' insinuations in the bud right now.

[Mad Max]

What about James harris? My god man!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_(quarterback)?wasRedirected=true (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_%28quarterback%29?wasRedirected=true)

lol, someone beat you to that.

I wasn't a Bills fan in 74. I. was in kindergarten

[Mad Max]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_%28quarterback%29

Harris was drafted in the eighth round of the Common Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_NFL_Draft) by the American Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_League)'s Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills), and would soon join fellow rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) O.J. Simpson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Simpson) in the starting backfield. Continuing the American Football League's more liberal (than the NFL's) personnel policies, the Bills made Harris the first black player to start a season at quarterback and the second black player in the modern era to start in any game as quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) for a Professional Football team.

Please...let's just nip the 'racist' insinuations in the bud right now.

I said I didn't think he was a racist, just old school in his thinking. And I already said that I stand corrected in that opinion.

Obviously the old man was actually progressive.

[YardRat]

I said I didn't think he was a racist, just old school in his thinking. And I already said that I stand corrected in that opinion.

Obviously the old man was actually progressive.

Yeah, you posted as I was typing mine.

[tampabay25690]

yep, we're doomed.

Ponder is a mortal lock to become a Buffalo Bill.

For what reason do you say that?

[Mad Max]

For what reason do you say that?

I was kidding (sort of).

I posted that right after Ponder led his team to another score by tossing a TD.

[tampabay25690]

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?

I think newton will put asses in the seats all day over Gabbert.
Just by personality alone.
Do you honestly think kids would rush out to buy a Blane Gabbert jersey????
But I guarantee kids know who Cam Newton is......

Cam would be a star to the fans in Buffalo...
The whole black guy thing is stupid............

[YardRat]

I was kidding (sort of).

I posted that right after Ponder led his team to another score by tossing a TD.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if you were right. I'm kind of expecting it myself, actually.

[tampabay25690]

I was kidding (sort of).

I posted that right after Ponder led his team to another score by tossing a TD.

OK.
I was sort of impressed with Ponder today and the best out of all the POOR Qb play in the SR game.......
Ponder may have helped himself a bit.
I think it all depends what happens in the 1st round.
If Cam and Gabbert go quick then Ponder will be helped by that in the 2-3rd round.

[Mad Max]

I think newton will put asses in the seats all day over Gabbert.
Just by personality alone.
Do you honestly think kids would rush out to buy a Blane Gabbert jersey????
But I guarantee kids know who Cam Newton is......

Cam would be a star to the fans in Buffalo...
The whole black guy thing is stupid............

I think they both would fill seats.

Most fans are casual, not football geeks like us here at the Zone and other forums, and therefore will have only casual knowledge of either guy.

[tampabay25690]

I think they both would fill seats.

Most fans are casual, not football geeks like us here at the Zone and other forums, and therefore will have only casual knowledge of either guy.

Young kids, of course fans, and women are the ones that buy the jerseys....
Cam Newton would sell jerseys like T.O. did.
I just don't see that flair from Gabbert......
Buffalo fans like guys taht are out in the public having fun with the fans. I think that would be CAM all day....Look at every game he played he went and got the fans pumped up....Thats a Buffalo guy IMO....

[Mad Max]

OK.
I was sort of impressed with Ponder today and the best out of all the POOR Qb play in the SR game.......
Ponder may have helped himself a bit.
I think it all depends what happens in the 1st round.
If Cam and Gabbert go quick then Ponder will be helped by that in the 2-3rd round.

I wasn't. This was a soft toss no blitz exhibition game. The games I saw of him when the bullets were flying, not at all impressive.

Was his the best QB performance of the day? Sure it was, but that just makes him the tallest midget.

[tampabay25690]

I wasn't. This was a soft toss no blitz exhibition game. The games I saw of him when the bullets were flying, not at all impressive.

Was his the best QB performance of the day? Sure it was, but that just makes him the tallest midget.

I luv the disagrements we always have.....
I said sort of.....
He is not a starting QB in the NFL for many years if that....
Think he will be great at holding the clipboard though.......But then again so will Brian Brohm....

[Mad Max]

I luv the disagrements we always have.....
I said sort of.....
He is not a starting QB in the NFL for many years if that....
Think he will be great at holding the clipboard though.......But then again so will Brian Brohm....

I know you did. And I "sort of" disagreed.

:duel:

[THATHURMANATOR]

lol, someone beat you to that.

I wasn't a Bills fan in 74. I. was in kindergarten
I wasn't even alive and I knew that

[Don't Panic]

Nick Foles probably would be in the discussion this year for best QB had he decided to come out.

Luck might rue his decision if Foles shows solid improvement next year

I'm an Arizona fan and I'll be the first to say that Nick Foles has a TON to prove before he can even be considered in that conversation. He is in nothing even closely resemebling an NFL offense. And as for Luck vs. Foles, I'd take Luck 10 times out of 10.

[better days]

It's definitely going to be on the table, for several reasons:

1.) As I always say, QB's put asses in seats like no other position.

2.) The Spiller pick showed these guys will roll the dice.

3.) Ralph will meddle.


If we did take a QB I would bet the farm and horses that it would be Gabby as opposed to Newton. I just don't see Ralph being down with a black guy at the position. We haven't even ever had a black backup have we?

Well the Bills did have James Harris one of the 1st black QB's in the NFL as a starter years ago.

[DraftBoy]

Early thoughts;
-WR Leonard Hankerson is a 1st round talent and the thing to know about him is strength;
*Strength to get off the jam
*Strong hands to make plays on throws away from boddy
*Strength to get YAC

-RB Derrick Locke's size is not an issue, love his quick decisions and speed

-QB Christian Ponder has one good decision and then one poor decision. His best throw was his TD to Hankerson, but his deep ball and slant toss were poor.

-OT James Carpenter hasn't been beat yet today, great start

-LB Von Miller shows good fluidity at LB, smooth drop, smooth lateral movement. Read screen well.

-QB Jake Locker looks nervous early, throw to Kendrick was too much juice, needed more touch on it.

-North OL is giving him little time, Castonzo at OG has been bad.

[DraftBoy]

Very unimpressed with DeMarcus Love, poor game thus far. Same goes for DE Jeremy Beal whose offside cost his team a turnover.

[DraftBoy]

Very unimpressed with RB Noel Devine, just cant run between the tackles, strict ret specialist and scat back. Not sure he'll even be successful at that, possible CFL guy.

OT Derek Sherrod was big on the Devine TD run, pushed his DE back and got the pancacke cutting off the edge.

[DraftBoy]

Phil Taylor when he wants to get after it can, but he's been handled a few times by Slippery Rock OC Brandon Fusco.

John Moffitt has been very very good today at OC and OG.

[DraftBoy]

Nick Foles probably would be in the discussion this year for best QB had he decided to come out.

Luck might rue his decision if Foles shows solid improvement next year


If Foles shows a bigger willingness to throw down the field watch out. Criner coming back for them is huge for Foles development.

Other QB's to watch for;
Ryan Lindley-St State
Kirk Cousins-Michigan State
GJ Kinne-Tulsa
Ryan Tannheil-Texas A&M
Robert Griffin-Baylor*
Tyler Wilson-Arkansas*
Kyle Padron-SMU*
Sean Renfree-Duke*

Small Schoolers to watch;
Mike Paulus-William & Mary (former UNC)
BJ Coleman-Chattanooga (former Tenn)
Aaron Corp-Richmond (former USC)
Mitchell Gale-Abilene Christian*

[DraftBoy]

QB ranks after one half;
1. Stanzi
2. Ponder
3. Dalton
4. Locker
5. McElroy

Kaepernick is an INC due to almost no playing time.

[DraftBoy]

Best OT's early;
1. Sherrod
2. Carpenter
3. Solder

Worst;
DeMarcus Love-god he was awful

[DraftBoy]

Kaepernick is a very intriguing prospect.

Needs his motion over-hauled, quicken up his drop, and improve his anticipation but his base is terrific, good size, good arm strength, and great mobility.

Still wouldnt take him above Round 5 though.

[DraftBoy]

Locker looks far better in the 2nd half than the first.

McPhee looks like a terrific 3-4 DE. Can close like a freight train.

[X-Era]

Best OT's early;
1. Sherrod
2. Carpenter
3. Solder

Worst;
DeMarcus Love-god he was awfulWhat the hell happened to Zeimba? I mean as I watched him at Auburn he looked solid... yet in the practices and in this game he looked very shaky.

[tampabay25690]

Early thoughts;
-WR Leonard Hankerson is a 1st round talent and the thing to know about him is strength;
*Strength to get off the jam
*Strong hands to make plays on throws away from boddy
*Strength to get YAC

-RB Derrick Locke's size is not an issue, love his quick decisions and speed

-QB Christian Ponder has one good decision and then one poor decision. His best throw was his TD to Hankerson, but his deep ball and slant toss were poor.

-OT James Carpenter hasn't been beat yet today, great start

-LB Von Miller shows good fluidity at LB, smooth drop, smooth lateral movement. Read screen well.

-QB Jake Locker looks nervous early, throw to Kendrick was too much juice, needed more touch on it.

-North OL is giving him little time, Castonzo at OG has been bad.

DB to be honest I thought the North OL would dominate the game and it was totally opposite. The South with the speed just manhandled the OL from the North.
I felt bad for the QB's from the North they had no time to throw at all.....
The North came together in the 2nd half when the lineups were being shuffled.
If it was 1st team vs 1st team in the whole game the South would have beat them by 40...
I was not impressed at all with the OL from the North...

[tampabay25690]

Very unimpressed with DeMarcus Love, poor game thus far. Same goes for DE Jeremy Beal whose offside cost his team a turnover.

Love saw his last ever game as a OT.
He needs to move inside to Guard.

[X-Era]

Love saw his last ever game as a OT.
He needs to move inside to Guard.Another surprise to me. I agree. I thought he would be a solid RT but I don;t even see that now.

[tampabay25690]

Locker looks far better in the 2nd half than the first.

McPhee looks like a terrific 3-4 DE. Can close like a freight train.

I agree on both.
Locker actually had some time to throw in the 2nd half.
I think he was a bit nervous the 1st half...

McPhee was a beast yesterday....

[tampabay25690]

Another surprise to me. I agree. I thought he would be a solid RT but I don;t even see that now.

To slow to deal with the outside pass rush.
I think he could be a very good guard though...

[X-Era]

I agree on both.
Locker actually had some time to throw in the 2nd half.
I think he was a bit nervous the 1st half...

McPhee was a beast yesterday....To be honest, I'm burnt out with hearing how Locker did some good things in some places.

To me all that says is that he is STILL way too inconsistent.

[tampabay25690]

To be honest, I'm burnt out with hearing how Locker did some good things in some places.

To me all that says is that he is STILL way too inconsistent.

I hear you.....

[better days]

To be honest, I'm burnt out with hearing how Locker did some good things in some places.

To me all that says is that he is STILL way too inconsistent.

Yeah, he reminds me of Losman. He could do some good things on occasion also & had similar mobility. The problem with both of them is no consistency.

[tampabay25690]

Yeah, he reminds me of Losman. He could do some good things on occasion also & had similar mobility. The problem with both of them is no consistency.

Yes and NO.
Locker was a bigger name coimng out.
But yes both inconsistent.

[cookie G]

Best OT's early;
1. Sherrod
2. Carpenter
3. Solder

Worst;
DeMarcus Love-god he was awful

Don't see the love for Solder, never have.

The sack he gave up to Acho was embarrassing.

Worse, he did the same thing on the next play, but not as pronounced. Had Locker hung onto the ball a little longer, it would have been another sack.

On another play, the dude from Miss. St. Mcphee (sp.) took a wide and deep berth, creating a deep pocket. He then turned direction and literally pushed Solder up into the bottom of the pocket. Had Kaapernick not taken 3 steps forward, he would have knocked Solder right into him.

He's just not my kinda guy.

[DraftBoy]

Don't see the love for Solder, never have.

The sack he gave up to Acho was embarrassing.

Worse, he did the same thing on the next play, but not as pronounced. Had Locker hung onto the ball a little longer, it would have been another sack.

On another play, the dude from Miss. St. Mcphee (sp.) took a wide and deep berth, creating a deep pocket. He then turned direction and literally pushed Solder up into the bottom of the pocket. Had Kaapernick not taken 3 steps forward, he would have knocked Solder right into him.

He's just not my kinda guy.

You gotta know what you're looking at coming in. If you expected Solder to be the most dominant OT you were going to come away disappointed. He is not there yet and likely wont be for another 2-3 years. He still is adjusting to playing OT, after moving from TE. What you see from Solder is brute strength and good athleticism (like on the screen).

Solder needs to work on refinement, his footwork, his hand placement, staying low, and not waist bending. He has a ways to go yet but on most plays he gave up little to nothing. Not his best game though, plenty to fault him on, but in this game most of the OT's were just meh.

[cookie G]

You gotta know what you're looking at coming in. If you expected Solder to be the most dominant OT you were going to come away disappointed. He is not there yet and likely wont be for another 2-3 years. He still is adjusting to playing OT, after moving from TE. What you see from Solder is brute strength and good athleticism (like on the screen).

Solder needs to work on refinement, his footwork, his hand placement, staying low, and not waist bending. He has a ways to go yet but on most plays he gave up little to nothing. Not his best game though, plenty to fault him on, but in this game most of the OT's were just meh.

That's the thing though...he USED to be a converted TE.

He was switched over in 2008, and has 3 seasons of LT experience under him.

I've got real concerns over whether he can learn the position. His tech should be far better than it is at this stage of his career.

He's not a bad run blocker and his athleticism is evident, But there are a number of athletic players I wouldn't consider if they don't know how to play.

[DraftBoy]

That's the thing though...he USED to be a converted TE.

He was switched over in 2008, and has 3 seasons of LT experience under him.

I've got real concerns over whether he can learn the position. His tech should be far better than it is at this stage of his career.

He's not a bad run blocker and his athleticism is evident, But there are a number of athletic players I wouldn't consider if they don't know how to play.

You act like 3 seasons is a long time. Most of these kids have 7-10 seasons playing their positions not just 3.

Im not worried about his tech right now, Colorado's staff wasn't anything to write home about and I prefer blank slates to kids that too ingrained in technique's that they struggle to adjust.

Agreed on your last point, there is a huge risk with Solder, no doubt. Personally Im high on him because Ive seen where he was 3 years ago and where he is now and the kid is smart. He's gotten better every year and I think that will continue.