The Bills and Vince Young

[tcb5033]

According to Insider:

Though the Tennessee Titans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ten/tennessee-titans) will try to trade quarterback Vince Young (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9589) before outright releasing him, there has been doubt cast that they'll be able to get another team to buy in on him. If they can't, he'll be released prior to the tenth day of the new league year, when he's due a roster bonus.
Last week, Michael Lombardi of the NFL Network speculated on a surprise suitor (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?date=20110125#7788) for the hypothetical free agent: the Buffalo Bills (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills). Lombardi argued that Young's playing style would "entice" Bills head coach Chan Gailey, and that a situation where there was already a starter in place -- but not a superstar -- would be a good fit for Young.
Within a recent mailbag column, ESPN's John Clayton writes a dissenting opinion on the potential pairing:

- Tim Kavanagh

John Clayton

Newton more likely (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6060321)
"Gailey's scheme could work with Young, but I don't think the Bills will try to acquire him. If they are going for a quarterback who can run, they'd be better served to draft Cam Newton. I believe the plan is to go with Ryan Fitzpatrick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8664), who would put more points on the scoreboard than Young. Still, the fate of this franchise will be determined by the next quarterback it drafts. If the Fitzpatrick move doesn't work out, the Bills probably will be in position to draft Stanford's Andrew Luck in 2012."



VY is not worth it IMO despite the fact that Chan is known for his ability to work with QBs

[psubills62]

Just like the Bills were going to trade for Tyler Thigpen or try to trade for Vick, right?

[madness]

Rumor is the Bills did try to trade for Vick.

[PromoTheRobot]

I understand (insert team) is willing to trade (insert player) and according to (insert reporter) at (insert news outlet) the Bills are interested in making a deal. It must be true because Pat Moran reported the story on his website.

PTR

[big hock]

I could go for VY.

[Slim]

Rumor is the Bills did try to trade for Vick.

Back when Vick was being traded I posted that the Bills had ongoing conversations on acquiring Vick. And Dungy confirmed it last season during a halftime show.

[Prov401]

I wouldn't mind signing Young as a FA. Screw handing away picks for him.

[Night Train]

I'd look at him, if he was cut. Wouldn't trade a bag of cookies for him.

[Jan Reimers]

I hate this thread title, which puts the Bills and Young in the same sentence.

The Bills should either live with Fitz or draft their QB of the future. Young is not even a good interim move. He has proven over and over to be not mentally equipped to play QB in the NFL.

[tampabay25690]

Rumor is the Bills did try to trade for Vick.

Turned out great for Phili......
I wanted Vick so bad on the Bills, but he was never a good QB.....LOL

Young is a pretty decent QB and to be honest I think he is a better prospect then any QB in this draft besides may be Cam Newton.....I just don't want the Bills to give away alot for him......
3rd rounder Im fine with at the most........

[elltrain22]

I wouldn't mind the move either to tell ya the truth.

[Jan Reimers]

The guy is divisive, volatile and practically uncoachable. He had a huge hand in getting a very good, 17 year coach ousted in Tennessee. I just don't think we need a distraction like him when we are trying to develop a young team.

[Joe Fo Sho]

If the Bils sign Vince Young, I'm might cry a little bit. If they trade for him, I'm literally going to fist myself.

[Novacane]

We need a leader at QB. Not a little baby. We'd be better off sticking with Fitz.

[better days]

Turned out great for Phili......
I wanted Vick so bad on the Bills, but he was never a good QB.....LOL

Young is a pretty decent QB and to be honest I think he is a better prospect then any QB in this draft besides may be Cam Newton.....I just don't want the Bills to give away alot for him......
3rd rounder Im fine with at the most........

Yeah, I'm sure Dick Jauron & his merry men would have developed Vick like he has in Philly.....LOL

[trapezeus]

regardless of what you think about VY, do you think Ralph, a guy who hated the CBA who now faces a workstoppage with owners pretty much in solidarity of not making moves on FA last year, is going to deviate from the plan?

The Bills aren't making a single move until the whole thing with the league is settled.

[better days]

regardless of what you think about VY, do you think Ralph, a guy who hated the CBA who now faces a workstoppage with owners pretty much in solidarity of not making moves on FA last year, is going to deviate from the plan?

The Bills aren't making a single move until the whole thing with the league is settled.

In regards to FA & trades, no team is making a single move until there is a new CBA.

[trapezeus]

agreed better days, but if there was a guy to crack it would be a synder or a jones as opposed to a Wilson. Ralph is what he is, but he's a smooth poker player. he'll wait you out all day long.

[PTI]

Hmmm, so go with Fitz because we all know we would get Luck then? Ugh. Might as well start Levi Brown. Fitz gets too much respect, he flat out sucks. In one sentence he says they are going with Fitz because he is a good option but the Bills will end up with Luck then. Fitz is a losing QB and always will be, makes no sense for him to even start next season.

If the Bills got Vince Young, he better be the starter. If they draft Newton, he better be the starter.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

We don't even know if they'll even follow through with putting him out on the market. They let go of Jeff Fisher instead and they can't release Young until the end of February.

[Jaybird]

CAuse what we've been doing has worked so well...Bring in VY without a doubt

[k-oneputt]

CAuse what we've been doing has worked so well...Bring in VY without a doubt

I don't see how it could hurt. Unless they are going to use a top pick in the draft on a qb then I would pass on him.

[don137]

Do you really want a player that can be a cancer to your team on your team at a position that needs someone to be a quality leader both on and off the field?

[Jaybird]

Do you really want a player that can be a cancer to your team on your team at a position that needs someone to be a quality leader both on and off the field?

Was he a Cancer in the rose bowl on 4th and 8?? Maybe in a new environment and a different coach you will get something different from him

[better days]

Hmmm, so go with Fitz because we all know we would get Luck then? Ugh. Might as well start Levi Brown. Fitz gets too much respect, he flat out sucks. In one sentence he says they are going with Fitz because he is a good option but the Bills will end up with Luck then. Fitz is a losing QB and always will be, makes no sense for him to even start next season.

If the Bills got Vince Young, he better be the starter. If they draft Newton, he better be the starter.

Newton is not ready to start in the NFL & neither is any other QB in this draft. Expect to see Fitz at QB this year.

[ddaryl]

CAuse what we've been doing has worked so well...Bring in VY without a doubt

the guy phones it in half the time, Cries like a baby, and just isn't a good leader.

Unless he becomes a UFA and will sign for peanuts I wouldn't even sniff at him and would much rather stick with Fitz and groom a drafted QB like Newton before pursuing VY.

[OpIv37]

I don't want Cam Newton cuz he is Vince Young II. And I definitely don't want the original Vince Young.

That being said, all of this came from one reporter and it seems to be more speculation than anything with substance behind it, so I'm not too worried about it.

[PTI]

Newton is not ready to start in the NFL & neither is any other QB in this draft. Expect to see Fitz at QB this year.

That's why I expect about 4 wins again, Fitz is a bad QB. The Bills would win just as many games if Newton started regardless if he was ready or not.

[OpIv37]

That's why I expect about 4 wins again, Fitz is a bad QB. The Bills would win just as many games if Newton started regardless if he was ready or not.
What?

Fitz is not a great QB, but he was not the reason why we lost 12 games last year. I'd put maybe 2 losses on him. The rest were Trent, lack of a running game and no ability to stop the run.

[better days]

That's why I expect about 4 wins again, Fitz is a bad QB. The Bills would win just as many games if Newton started regardless if he was ready or not.

Even if this were true & the Bills draft Newton. Many QB's have been ruined by being thrown to the wolves too soon. It is a HUGE mistake to start a QB before he is ready.

[ddaryl]

Newton is not ready to start in the NFL & neither is any other QB in this draft. Expect to see Fitz at QB this year.

I'll guarantee it even if we draft a QB @#3.

Fitz earned the teams respect in 2010, played very solid, and he will be the starting QB to start 2011.

[ChristopherWalken]

Vince Young has some serious mental issues to overcome. If the Bills didn't gamble on Vick, I'm not sure why they would take a chance on Young.

[PTI]

What?

Fitz is not a great QB, but he was not the reason why we lost 12 games last year. I'd put maybe 2 losses on him. The rest were Trent, lack of a running game and no ability to stop the run.
Blame on Trent? What? There are zero losses on Trent. Any blame you want to put on him goes directly on Chan Gailey or just to fact the Bills stink. BTW, Fitz was not going to beat the Phins in the opener and the Packers. That is crazy talk. In the Packers game the Bills were in it early, but there were two INTs taken directly out of the hands of the receivers, and the Bills just were not good enough to catch up against the Packers after that. The Bills had a lack of running game and stopping the run in Phins game 1. Bills had 50 yards on the ground.

I won't blame Fitz for any losses, he just isn't that good and that is the reason he is close to lowest rated starting QB. He regressed badly as the season went on too.

[ddaryl]

Blame on Trent? What? There are zero losses on Trent. Any blame you want to put on him goes directly on Chan Gailey or just to fact the Bills stink. BTW, Fitz was not going to beat the Phins in the opener and the Packers. That is crazy talk. In the Packers game the Bills were in it early, but there were two INTs taken directly out of the hands of the receivers, and the Bills just were not good enough to catch up against the Packers after that. The Bills had a lack of running game and stopping the run in Phins game 1. Bills had 50 yards on the ground.

I won't blame Fitz for any losses, he just isn't that good and that is the reason he is close to lowest rated starting QB. He regressed badly as the season went on too.
the 1st 2 games Trent started the season !

we had a 40% roster turn over in 2010. Lots of new young bodies. Team however played with some passion under Gailey unlike Jauron who was incapable of making any adjustments.

2nd Our D was soft and we need players. We couldn't stop the run to save our lives, and no team can win in this league consistently unless you stop the run. We need players on the D side of the ball .

3rd Our running game sucked and we need to get better and stronger on the OL so we can run consistently

What the hell were you watching where you think Fitz regressed badly ?

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3 of Fitz last 4 games played were 60% completions and 2 wins and 2 losses. he put up a turd against NE... but take away the NE game and he had a solid 3 games before that.

He strugggled against Pitt, but we had the game winning touchdown that was dropped by Stevie Johnson

[PTI]

It is completely crazy to say Fitz was solid against Minnesota, the Bills got killed and Fitz was a big reason for it happening. Bills only scored on garbage TD on offense with less than 5 minutes left in the game. Fitz was just about as bad against Minnesota as he was against New England game 2. The defense actually put the Bills up 7-0 on an INT return and then forced a punt and got another INT, but Fitz just sucked that game. He threw an INT and fumbled twice which you didn't list BTW. He was the main reason the Bills lost that game. Miami missed 4 FGs, Bills were lucky to beat Miami, a bad, bad Miami team that let up 34 the next week to shaun Hill with Detroit (who is better than Fitz). Bills scored over 20 only 4 times in 13 games Fitz started and there is no way he would have led the Bills to wins in any of the other 3 games either. It was a mercy sitting to play Brohm in the last game.

Keep in mind the Bills average 12 points a game in the last 5 that Fitz started, if that isn't regression then you believe in much different things than I do. in only 1 game in the last 9 did the Bills score over 19 points, that is horrible, and the one was a fluke game against the Bengals where we only won because the Bengals secindary all were injured in the 2nd half and didn't play, both starting safeties, a starting CB who had 2 INTs in the first half and the nickel CB, all did not play in the 2nd half and that is why the Bills scored.

[ddaryl]

It is completely crazy to say Fitz was solid against Minnesota, the Bills got killed and Fitz was a big reason for it happening. Bills only scored on garbage TD on offense with less than 5 minutes left in the game. Fitz was just about as bad against Minnesota as he was against New England game 2. The defense actually put the Bills up 7-0 on an INT return and then forced a punt and got another INT, but Fitz just sucked that game. He threw an INT and fumbled twice which you didn't list BTW. He was the main reason the Bills lost that game. Miami missed 4 FGs, Bills were lucky to beat Miami, a bad, bad Miami team that let up 34 the next week to shaun Hill with Detroit (who is better than Fitz). Bills scored over 20 only 4 times in 13 games Fitz started and there is no way he would have led the Bills to wins in any of the other 3 games either. It was a mercy sitting to play Brohm in the last game.

Keep in mind the Bills average 12 points a game in the last 5 that Fitz started, if that isn't regression then you believe in much different things than I do. in only 1 game in the last 9 did the Bills score over 19 points, that is horrible, and the one was a fluke game against the Bengals where we only won because the Bengals secindary all were injured in the 2nd half and didn't play, both starting safeties, a starting CB who had 2 INTs in the first half and the nickel CB, all did not play in the 2nd half and that is why the Bills scored.



and the rest of the team around Fitz had nothing to do with our fate?

I remember a team who couldn't run the ball at all, and a D that couldn't get the opposing O off the field.

I remember a team that converted 3rd downs way more often this year then they have in past years, while the D continued to let teams convert them.

<table><thead><tr><th>Team </th><th>Total Yds </th><th>Pass Yds </th><th>Rush Yds </th><th>First Downs </th><th>3rdD% </th><th>Pen./Yds </th><th>Turnovers </th><th>Time of Poss. </th></tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td> Buffalo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buf) </td> <td>239</td> <td>155</td> <td>84</td> <td>10</td> <td>25.0%</td> <td>6/54</td> <td>5</td> <td>26:03</td> </tr> <tr> <td> Minnesota (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/min) </td> <td>387</td> <td>177</td> <td>210</td> <td>22</td> <td>33.3%</td> <td>4/20</td> <td>4</td> <td>33:57</td></tr></tbody></table>

84 rushing yards... 8 minutes difference in time of possession. ??


How about that Miami game

<table><thead><tr><th>Team </th><th>Total Yds </th><th>Pass Yds </th><th>Rush Yds </th><th>First Downs </th><th>3rdD% </th><th>Pen./Yds </th><th>Turnovers </th><th>Time of Poss. </th></tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td> Buffalo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buf) </td> <td>282</td> <td>211</td> <td>71</td> <td>15</td> <td>33.3%</td> <td>5/44</td> <td>1</td> <td>28:37</td> </tr> <tr> <td> Miami (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/mia) </td> <td>326</td> <td>261</td> <td>65</td> <td>22</td> <td>33.3%</td> <td>4/35</td> <td>2</td> <td>31:23</td></tr></tbody></table>
71 yards rushing ???? 3 minutes difference in TOS and we still won, and Fitz threw 2 TD's.


The bottom line is Fitz may not be great but he isn't the main reason or even the secondary reason why this team played as badly as it did.

Those reasons are run the ball and stop the run. We need to fix these stats.

and I'm not against drafting a future QB he just won't see the field much at all in his 1st year. I also don't think any of the QB's are worth the #3 pick when there are players that can have a better more immediate impact at positions we need at #3.

given the facts we can't afford to ignore the other problems on this team either.

[PTI]

Ddary, Miami missed 4 FGs. If they made 2 of them they would have won the game, and I don't care how long they were, and it said 2 things. Either they saw Carpenter making them in practice of they had very little respect for the Bills offense.

Turnovers killed the Bills against Minnesota and was why the defense was on the field the whole time. That, and the fact the Bills did not take advantage of the early poor play by Favre and Jackson. Bills had the ball 10 minutes in the first half. Fitz looked like Edwards checking everything down too. This game was a lkot like the Packers game, except Fitz fumbled twice and fumbling doesn't count towards passer rating or else Fitz would easiliy have a 75 or less passer rating for the season. As it is he was like the 2nd or 3rd worst of all QBs who qualified for QB ratings.

[PTI]

I agree Bills have many issues, but to me QB is the #1 issue in moving forward. I just hope if they draft defense that they get another QB in here to compete with Fitz, and I would not mind if it was Vince Young.

If defense was the first pick, I sure hope he plays. I say that because the Bills hardly played any of their draft picks this past year. Since they hardly played any draft picks this year, I don't see it as a big deal if they picked a QB and he didn't play.

[Bangarang]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/074/256/original/1285770302993.jpg

[cgbm]

id take vince young as a backup and only a backup. and prolly not for however much money he wants.

[TigerJ]

Given Young's history of eratic behavior, any team would be foolish to trade for him. He might be worth a free agent contract if he's not asking too much or too long a deal with guaranteed money.