Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

    Whats yours.

    I don't have one.

    Haloti Ngata has never had more than 4 sacks in a year before this year where he got 5.5. He's also never had more than 50 total tackles. We all know he's great, but how do we define it? Ability to shed block? OK. Ability to consistently collapse the pocket? OK.

    Personally, I see a DT/DE as an important component of a quality defense. And yes, I'd like the best one I can get. But that doesn't mean the position is so critical that we have to have a top 10 guy. Especially when it's usually a rotation. Would I take one at 3 if the player was a fit and worth the pick? absolutely. This piece of the defense is the first chance to stop the run which is a very important way to control the game. We stink at stopping the run and we need much better talent along the DL but especially at LB'er.

    It's a very important position, maybe the most important position on the defense, but not the most important position on a team... that's the quarterback.

  • jamze132
    Don’t hate…
    • Jun 2003
    • 29295

    #2
    Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

    Bruce Smith
    Dwight Freeney
    Julius Peppers
    Javon Kearse
    Warren Sapp

    Just to name a few...

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    • mikemac2001
      is the creepy cross dresser staring at you in the corner
      • Mar 2003
      • 4574

      #3
      Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

      A guy you have to double every play

      MUCK
      FIAMI

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      • Beebe's Kid
        Registered User
        • Nov 2009
        • 3134

        #4
        Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

        Marcus Stroud

        Is that how we do it?

        Ok, ok, not Marcus Stroud...whoa that's hilarious.

        Why does everything have to be "Franchise?" I think that it would fit nicely into the drum beating about the "Franchise QB," which all we can figure out is that he is super awesome, never makes a mistake, and is "not Fitzpatrick."

        How about we build a quality franchise? Is that called a "Franchise Franchise?"

        Our goal will be able to stop the other team and force turnovers on defense, and score points on offense, which we'll do by running and passing, which will make the opposing defense wonder which one is coming.

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        • ddaryl
          Everything I post is sexual inuendo
          • Jan 2005
          • 10714

          #5
          Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

          This is a tough one.

          One type of DL eats up space, anther type of DL relies on pure speed and ability.

          Some are just let loose, others are needed to plug gaps.

          Both compliment each other.
          Last edited by ddaryl; 02-14-2011, 10:18 AM.

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          • EricStratton
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 20893

            #6
            Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

            It the other team's OC have to plan around your guy he's more then your average player.

            That's pretty much my definition for any defensive player.

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            • mikemac2001
              is the creepy cross dresser staring at you in the corner
              • Mar 2003
              • 4574

              #7
              Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

              Originally posted by EricStratton
              It the other team's OC have to plan around your guy he's more then your average player.

              That's pretty much my definition for any defensive player.

              That's kinda how I felt if they double the guy and have to worry about him all game he will get his pressures run stops bc he is elite to ask for doubles all game.

              Stats arnt the key it's how he effects teams

              Leaving a te g or rb in to help creates one less Blocker or receiver which then creates more gaps In oline or more defenders in coverage

              I sure miss Bruce playing tho

              MUCK
              FIAMI

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86150

                #8
                Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                I don't think anybody has labeled a defensive lineman as 'franchise'. I wouldn't, although jamze has thrown out some examples of some guys who could be considered.
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                • X-Era
                  What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 27670

                  #9
                  Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                  Originally posted by YardRat
                  I don't think anybody has labeled a defensive lineman as 'franchise'. I wouldn't, although jamze has thrown out some examples of some guys who could be considered.
                  Outside of Kearse, that list is HOF'ers

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                  • The Jokeman
                    Registered User
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 9995

                    #10
                    Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                    Originally posted by X-Era
                    Outside of Kearse, that list is HOF'ers
                    Freeney might be debatable. Sapp is most definitely a HOFer and if Peppers puts up 9.0 or so sacks over the next three or four years will warrant some serious consideration.

                    EDIT: removing the BS flag.
                    Last edited by The Jokeman; 02-14-2011, 08:09 PM.

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                    • Don't Panic
                      All-Pro Zoner
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 4227

                      #11
                      Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                      Originally posted by mikemac2001
                      A guy you have to double every play
                      Works for me! Even as a pass rusher, teams leave in a blocking back just to neutralize the guy. That's a franchise DL. You have that, you're playing 11 vs. 10 on most plays.

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                      • X-Era
                        What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 27670

                        #12
                        Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                        Originally posted by The Jokeman
                        Freeney might be debatable but Sapp is most definitely a HOFer and if Peppers puts up 9.0 or so sacks over the next three or four years will warrant some serious consideration.
                        Ok, I agreed with you... please re-read.

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                        • The Jokeman
                          Registered User
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 9995

                          #13
                          Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                          Originally posted by X-Era
                          Ok, I agreed with you... please re-read.
                          Yes, you did. My bad.

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                          • ServoBillieves
                            The Voice of Reason
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 6106

                            #14
                            Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                            Their names were Warren Sapp and Bruce Smith.
                            Bye Bye Brady...

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                            • Night Train
                              Retired - On Several Levels
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 33117

                              #15
                              Re: Definition of a 'Franchise' Defensive Linemen

                              David Deacon Jones, Mean Joe Green, Alan Page, Reggie White, Bruce Smith..Suh is probably the best modern day example. Dominant and makes everyone around him better.
                              Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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