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better days
02-20-2011, 08:43 AM
In 2002 the Texans took David Carr #1. The Panthers took Julius Peppers #2 The Lions took Joey Harrington #3.
Like 2002, this may not be the the year to draft a QB that high. Just sayin.
.....And in the 1998 draft DE Andre Wadsworth went #3. We all know that no pick is guaranteed to succeed or fail. But lets not be afraid to take a QB that we like, just because one in the same draft slot failed 9 years ago.
TheGhostofJimKelly
02-20-2011, 10:41 AM
In every draft you will find the same sort of thing.
better days
02-20-2011, 10:57 AM
In every draft you will find the same sort of thing.
You will not find the same thing in every draft. The Year Matt Ryan was in the draft for an example. The year Marino & Kelly were in the draft for another.
There are good QB drafts & bad QB drafts. That is a fact.
dannyek71
02-20-2011, 11:01 AM
Based on our recent history, if we were to draft a 21 year old Jerry Rice, I;d still see him ready to fail.
TacklingDummy
02-20-2011, 11:55 AM
We all know that no pick is guaranteed to succeed or fail.
Agreed, just look at the Bills last 15 1st round draft picks.
You will not find the same thing in every draft. The Year Matt Ryan was in the draft for an example. The year Marino & Kelly were in the draft for another.
There are good QB drafts & bad QB drafts. That is a fact.
It doesn't matter if it's a good QB draft or not. We are in position to possibly have the first choice out of all of them. If he turns out great, does it even matter what the rest end up doing in the NFL?
better days
02-20-2011, 12:09 PM
It doesn't matter if it's a good QB draft or not. We are in position to possibly have the first choice out of all of them. If he turns out great, does it even matter what the rest end up doing in the NFL?
No it would not matter. My point is that the "best" QB in this draft may suck as Carr did.
I'm not saying don't draft a QB, but they better be right about him if they do. I don't want to see the Bills pass on a Peppers to draft a Carr or Harrington.
No it would not matter. My point is that the "best" QB in this draft may suck as Carr did.
I'm not saying don't draft a QB, but they better be right about him if they do. I don't want to see the Bills pass on a Peppers to draft a Carr or Harrington.
To be fair to the Texans, Houston would've brought out the pitchforks if they didn't draft a franchise QB with their first ever pick.
Thurmal
02-20-2011, 01:35 PM
You just know that Buffalo would've taken Harrington had he been available at #4.
You just know that Buffalo would've taken Harrington had he been available at #4.
Probably so. Then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe. We ended up with our own bust anyways, with Williams.
Johnny Bugmenot
02-20-2011, 02:08 PM
Probably so. Then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe. We ended up with our own bust anyways, with Williams.
When most people were saying to pick McKinnie instead...
ServoBillieves
02-20-2011, 02:26 PM
Erik Flowers worked out well
better days
02-20-2011, 02:35 PM
To be fair to the Texans, Houston would've brought out the pitchforks if they didn't draft a franchise QB with their first ever pick.
Any GM that listens to the fans is as stupid as the fans. I can't bash the Texans for drafting Carr because he had potential to be a franchise QB. The Texans were smart enough to draft Williams over Bush.
Ingtar33
02-20-2011, 03:17 PM
When most people were saying to pick McKinnie instead...
McKinnie didn't really work out either. He wasn't as big a bust as Williams (it would be hard to be), but his career was a pretty big disappointment too. He had one season of solid play (i say solid, because it wasn't good, even though he got a probowl nod for some reason... he wasn't close to good enough to go to hawaii in 2009)
Go for Peterson. A la Revis/Woodson, he can be a factor in the run game too in Nickel packages and also by allowing us to play more man coverage. Secondly, we have top round talents to develop still at DE and DT.
What we really need is an LB which I hope we go for round 2.
YardRat
02-20-2011, 04:39 PM
...this may not be the the year to draft a QB that high. Just sayin.
It isn't.
It isn't.
Gabbert or Newton are solid Qb prospects. They are miles ahead of Tebow who went in the 1st last year.
YardRat
02-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Gabbert or Newton are solid Qb prospects. They are miles ahead of Tebow who went in the 1st last year.
He didn't go at three, and neither Newton or Gabbert are worth the risk at that spot this year IMO.
better days
02-20-2011, 07:14 PM
Gabbert or Newton are solid Qb prospects. They are miles ahead of Tebow who went in the 1st last year.
I disagree with you about that.
Tebow played for 4 years at a high level at Florida. Newton played at a high level for only 1 year at Auburn while Gabbert played against lesser competition.
Tebow also has intangibles that are off the chart they are so good while Newton & Gabbert do not. As much as people like to bash Tebow, Bronco fans LOVE him as do Gator fans. Tebow will be the starting QB for Denver this year.
He didn't go at three, and neither Newton or Gabbert are worth the risk at that spot this year IMO.
I get that. But we are a below average team who need a franchise QB. I trust that Chan can turn one of these into a star. Look at what he did with Fitz. Quite honestly, I think it's a risk we have to take. I mean what's the worst that could happen...another mediocre to awful record? Bring on change.
better days
02-20-2011, 07:23 PM
I get that. But we are a below average team who need a franchise QB. I trust that Chan can turn one of these into a star. Look at what he did with Fitz. Quite honestly, I think it's a risk we have to take. I mean what's the worst that could happen...another mediocre to awful record? Bring on change.
I get what you are saying & if Buddy & Chan think one of those 2 can be a star, I'm on board. All I am saying is they better be right if they think that.
Philagape
02-20-2011, 07:27 PM
I mean what's the worst that could happen...another mediocre to awful record?
How bout three more years of mediocre to awful record
I get what you are saying & if Buddy & Chan think one of those 2 can be a star, I'm on board. All I am saying is they better be right if they think that.
I think they know that too. They're jobs are on the line after this year. So if they're going to go down swinging, it's going to be with a QB of their own choosing. So they better get it right...whether it's a QB or not. Whoever they pick, I'm going to be right there cheering them on.
How bout three more years of mediocre to awful record
That's also a risk, if you pass up on a franchise QB.
Philagape
02-20-2011, 07:37 PM
That's also a risk, if you pass up on a franchise QB.
That's assuming there's a franchise QB to pass up. They don't come along every year
That's assuming there's a franchise QB to pass up. They don't come along every year
Agreed. But we won't know unless we take that chance.
Philagape
02-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Agreed. But we won't know unless we take that chance.
Throwing darts at a board isn't a very good draft strategy. There are signs and characteristics to look for in avoiding busts.
mightysimi
02-20-2011, 09:48 PM
I think they know that too. They're jobs are on the line after this year. So if they're going to go down swinging, it's going to be with a QB of their own choosing. So they better get it right...whether it's a QB or not. Whoever they pick, I'm going to be right there cheering them on.
You think they are really coaching for their jobs? Even Ralph had said this will take 3 years to turn around. Why would you dump the coach/GM in year 2 of a supposed 3 year rebuilding plan. I think if they grab a QB, he won't be playing right away.
Throwing darts at a board isn't a very good draft strategy. There are signs and characteristics to look for in avoiding busts.
When you put it that way, well then no...not a good draft strategy at all. I am only assuming that if they do all their tests and they deem a qb to worthy, then take that chance. Once again, if you don't believe they can make the right choice, then whatever they do is moot. I believe in them, so if they choose a qb...I'm in.
You think they are really coaching for their jobs? Even Ralph had said this will take 3 years to turn around. Why would you dump the coach/GM in year 2 of a supposed 3 year rebuilding plan. I think if they grab a QB, he won't be playing right away.
Agreed. If they pick a qb this year, he won't play right away. If Fitz falters, you better believe the qb they pick will be playing by then end of the season and starting the next year. I'm not saying they won't pick a qb, but if they did..I'm not going to fault them. I'm a die hard bills fan and I trust the new regime. I'm just saying, I'm not going to be up at arms if they pick Gabbert or Newton.
Am I alone here...does no one trust that if we pick a qb that they will succeed? Count me as a loner then, I have confidence in this organization. We may have sucked the past few years, but i still believe that we can turn this around. Whether it be a qb or a monster defensive specialist. I won't turn my back on this team, no matter where they go with this pick.
Philagape
02-21-2011, 10:00 AM
When you put it that way, well then no...not a good draft strategy at all. I am only assuming that if they do all their tests and they deem a qb to worthy, then take that chance. Once again, if you don't believe they can make the right choice, then whatever they do is moot. I believe in them, so if they choose a qb...I'm in.
If they truly feel there's a QB worth 3 overall ... which means, they're confident he can become a HOF-caliber QB who will lead them to perennial playoff runs -- then they should take him. I also will defer to their judgment, although they still have to earn the benefit of the doubt.
But they shouldn't take one if it's because they just have to get a QB there. Drafting by position is throwing darts at a board.
NFL is copy cat and what have you seen lately type of game at this point. With the recent success of guys coming out early and the NFL being a a pass first game now and all the analysis done on everyone and the volume of people working on the analysis, there is no reason to think that if a guy even grades out on a QB as the 15th best player that he won't go top 3 if he is a QB. It is way too important to not have a really good QB.
If they truly feel there's a QB worth 3 overall ... which means, they're confident he can become a HOF-caliber QB who will lead them to perennial playoff runs -- then they should take him. I also will defer to their judgment, although they still have to earn the benefit of the doubt.
But they shouldn't take one if it's because they just have to get a QB there. Drafting by position is throwing darts at a board.
This logic is reasonably sound and I infinitely agree. IF they take a qb, it better be because they think that his talent and potential will elevate this team to then next level. Otherwise, it will be a wasted pick and us fans will suffer.
TheGhostofJimKelly
02-22-2011, 07:27 AM
You will not find the same thing in every draft. The Year Matt Ryan was in the draft for an example. The year Marino & Kelly were in the draft for another.
There are good QB drafts & bad QB drafts. That is a fact.
I am talking about draft busts, not just QBs mr. literal.
Mr. Pink
02-23-2011, 12:02 PM
You will not find the same thing in every draft. The Year Matt Ryan was in the draft for an example. The year Marino & Kelly were in the draft for another.
There are good QB drafts & bad QB drafts. That is a fact.
And 1999 was supposed to be the best QB draft class since 83, how did that work out? In case you forgot...
Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown.
Just because people project something to be great doesn't mean it's going to be.
Bill Cody
02-23-2011, 12:19 PM
Like 2002, this may not be the the year to draft a QB that high. Just sayin.
Does it even matter? We seem to be drawn to a word that rhymes with "lust" like a moth to a flame. 2002 was Exhibit A but we go a lot further down the alphabet. Name the position we've shown we know who not to draft. Sorry this thread brings back some bad memories and puts me in crankysville.
By the way for the record I was completely against Joey Harrington in 2002, he smelled like a bust to me. The truth is, as stunningly average as McKinnie turned out to be for a guy picked that high we might have won a championship if we had taken him insted of the fat tub of goo otherwise known as Mike Williams. Jennings could have played RT and we might have had an almost decent line instead of the collection of swinging gates that turned Drew Bledsoe into a walking corpse.
trapezeus
02-23-2011, 12:33 PM
I get that. But we are a below average team who need a franchise QB. I trust that Chan can turn one of these into a star. Look at what he did with Fitz. Quite honestly, I think it's a risk we have to take. I mean what's the worst that could happen...another mediocre to awful record? Bring on change.
DEvil's advocate: but look at what he couldn't do with Trent Edwards
Prov401
02-23-2011, 01:12 PM
The only QB worth taking this year is Cam Newton. The rest are a bunch of backups.
better days
02-23-2011, 05:01 PM
DEvil's advocate: but look at what he couldn't do with Trent Edwards
It will be interesting to see if Trent is in the NFL next year. He looked terrible on both the Bills & Jags this past year.
Extremebillsfan247
02-23-2011, 05:15 PM
Agreed, just look at the Bills last 15 1st round draft picks.We are due for a lucky pick. lol
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