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DraftBoy

02-24-2011, 12:08 PM

Id post this in the Scouting Zone, but this draft is just too important and I know there are going to be 50 threads between now and then posted in the BZ now anyways.

Here is your first set of official weigh-ins notes;
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Combine-weightin-notes-from-day-one.html

tcb5033

02-24-2011, 12:15 PM

dear Jesus, you see that pic of Tyron Smith?! The dude is a LT and has a six pack of abs....how is it possible for those two things to coexist. He's probably a freak athlete and we should scoop him up.

Nighthawk

02-24-2011, 12:20 PM

I know it's crazy, but I love all this crap and can't get enough...

Pinkerton Security

02-24-2011, 12:26 PM

Bangarang

02-24-2011, 12:54 PM

With Tyron Smith's stock about to skyrocket, could we potentially see a guy like Carimi fall to us in the 2nd round?

DraftBoy

02-24-2011, 01:17 PM

11 inch hands on Smith....good god, this kid is making millions if he can show he carries the weight well.

Thief

02-24-2011, 03:20 PM

Looking like Tarzan didn't help LT Campbell in the last draft.

DraftBoy

02-24-2011, 03:33 PM

Looking like Tarzan didn't help LT Campbell in the last draft.

Completely different situations and players.

alohabillsfan

02-25-2011, 07:24 AM

I think T. Smith would be compared to d'brickashaw ferguson. Also, I am not sure how much of a drive blocker he will be but should excel in pass protection. IMO

DraftBoy

02-25-2011, 08:41 AM

Baltimore Director of Pro Player Personell said of today's WR's weigh-ins;

16 of the 23 WR's at the combine are officially over 6'0.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 09:11 AM

Baltimore Director of Pro Player Personell said of today's WR's weigh-ins;

16 of the 23 WR's at the combine are officially over 6'0.

Gailey and Nix must be drooling.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 11:12 AM

A few of the QB/RB/WR weigh-ins:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-skill-position-weighin-results.html

NOT THE DUDE...

02-25-2011, 11:57 AM

really interested in what dareus and jordan do on the bench and short shuttle...

psubills62

02-25-2011, 02:21 PM

Gabe Carimi benched 225 lbs 29 times, while Castonzo managed 28 reps. Pretty good for guys with such long arms.

X-Era

02-25-2011, 02:25 PM

Gabe Carimi benched 225 lbs 29 times, while Castonzo managed 28 reps. Pretty good for guys with such long arms.Man I'd love to land Carimi in round 2. But it seems Nix feels were OK, and I just can't see Carimi getting past teams like Chi, NE, or Indy.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 02:27 PM

Man I'd love to land Carimi in round 2. But it seems Nix feels were OK, and I just can't see Carimi getting past teams like Chi, NE, or Indy.

I think Nix feels more comfortable with the OL in general than the fans do. That being said, his actions speak louder than words when it comes to RT. I don't think they're comfortable enough with RT to ignore it come draft time.

That being said, I agree - don't think Carimi falls to us in the 2nd.

X-Era

02-25-2011, 02:29 PM

I think Nix feels more comfortable with the OL in general than the fans do. That being said, his actions speak louder than words when it comes to RT. I don't think they're comfortable enough with RT to ignore it come draft time.

That being said, I agree - don't think Carimi falls to us in the 2nd.I think Sherrod might. But I could see us landing the top ILB, or a DE in round 2 depending on our 1st round move. Still a fan of guys like Hairston in round 4-ish.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 02:35 PM

I think Sherrod might. But I could see us landing the top ILB, or a DE in round 2 depending on our 1st round move. Still a fan of guys like Hairston in round 4-ish.

Agreed. From everything they've said, they're concerned about ILB (justifiably). I could see Martez Wilson or Greg Jones in the 2nd with RT addressed later in the draft. Everything I've heard indicates the run on OT's will be in the late first, so I would be surprised if a decent OT falls to us in the second.

I'm excited about both our first rounder and second rounder. No matter what happens, there should still be some good/great prospects available at 34 (I hate that NE drafts before us...curse you, Carolina).

I'm just really pumped about the draft in general. I think we're a ways away from being a contender, but I liked the youth we're forming on defense.

X-Era

02-25-2011, 02:37 PM

Agreed. From everything they've said, they're concerned about ILB (justifiably). I could see Martez Wilson or Greg Jones in the 2nd with RT addressed later in the draft. Everything I've heard indicates the run on OT's will be in the late first, so I would be surprised if a decent OT falls to us in the second.

I'm excited about both our first rounder and second rounder. No matter what happens, there should still be some good/great prospects available at 34 (I hate that NE drafts before us...curse you, Carolina).

I'm just really pumped about the draft in general. I think we're a ways away from being a contender, but I liked the youth we're forming on defense.Yeah, not a huge fan of this ILB class at all. I'd love to get a very solid ILB from FA but I just don't know that we will do that before the draft. My sleeper at ILB is Derrell Smith from Syracuse. Love the way he hits and as always around the ball.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 02:54 PM

225 reps:
Tyron Smith: 29
Rodney Hudson: 27
DeMarcus Love: 27
James Carpenter: 23
Derek Sherrod: 23
Nate Solder: 21

Smith with 29 reps despite 37" arms? Beastly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football

EDS

02-25-2011, 04:16 PM

Agreed. From everything they've said, they're concerned about ILB (justifiably). I could see Martez Wilson or Greg Jones in the 2nd with RT addressed later in the draft. Everything I've heard indicates the run on OT's will be in the late first, so I would be surprised if a decent OT falls to us in the second.

I'm excited about both our first rounder and second rounder. No matter what happens, there should still be some good/great prospects available at 34 (I hate that NE drafts before us...curse you, Carolina).

I'm just really pumped about the draft in general. I think we're a ways away from being a contender, but I liked the youth we're forming on defense.

What youth are the forming on defense? Byrd is about the only young guy who has locked down a starting job. Moats, Troupe and Carrington are question marks.

psubills62

02-25-2011, 04:36 PM

What youth are the forming on defense? Byrd is about the only young guy who has locked down a starting job. Moats, Troupe and Carrington are question marks.

Yeah, they're question marks, but I still have high hopes for them and Batten. DL rarely contribute their rookie season, especially in a 3-4 defense, unless needed by injuries.

DraftBoy

02-26-2011, 10:35 AM

Dareus comes in at 6'3, 319.

DraftBoy

02-26-2011, 11:24 AM

Cam Heyward is still recovering from elbow surgery, will not workout.

SABURZFAN

02-26-2011, 11:29 AM

Dareus comes in at 6'3, 319.

that's about 12-15 lbs heavier than i've seen him listed. i wonder if it's muscle or not.

Bangarang

02-26-2011, 11:30 AM

Tyron Smith just dropped out of the combine. Reasons unknown.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/tyron-smith-drops-out-of-combine/

DraftBoy

02-26-2011, 11:35 AM

Tyron Smith just dropped out of the combine. Reasons unknown.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/tyron-smith-drops-out-of-combine/

Reasons are well known. He has a knee scope in January isn't 100% yet.

Btw Kyle Rudolph will not workout.

SABURZFAN

02-26-2011, 11:36 AM

Tyron Smith just dropped out of the combine. Reasons unknown.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/tyron-smith-drops-out-of-combine/

some are reporting a recent knee surgery. i guess his intentions were to go in and throw up 29 reps and call it good.

DraftBoy

02-26-2011, 11:39 AM

that's about 12-15 lbs heavier than i've seen him listed. i wonder if it's muscle or not.

Not sure but nobody there that I trust said it looked bad.

Bangarang

02-26-2011, 11:41 AM

Can he still play DE? He's approaching NT size isn't he?

cookie G

02-26-2011, 11:47 AM

There was some excellent dialogue on Solder during the 40 times. Mayock was clearly enamored with Solder's athleticism. I missed Jamie Duke's film on him, that showed he was coming out too high (he does, way too often).

But you heard a former scout and a former OL talking. Mayock was talking about as fast, and as smooth and as athletic as he was, he was going to have to play. That's when the former OL chimed in and basically said, "wait a minute, no he doesn't. If he plays high like that, he's going to be in trouble." He specifically referenced shorter guys like James Harrison, and said he'll get killed.

It was an interesting perspective from 2 different backgrounds. You have the scout saying "the guy is off the charts in measurables, get him in". You have the player saying, "i don't care what they are, if he's playing high, he's in trouble".

Mayock then pointed out he had the ability to do it, so he could be taught it. Dukes didn't sound so sure. Sterling Sharpe later asked if there is time to teach technique in the NFL, and Dukes acknowledged that OL is the one area where coaching still goes on.

Last night, Lombardi made an interesting comment on the tall linemen. He said often, you look at the inseam on a guy over 6'5". The shorter the inseam, the better. He said that if they have a long inseam, there's a good chance they're going to come out high. If they were tall, he wanted to see long upper body, short legs.

cookie G

02-26-2011, 12:24 PM

Virgil Green of Nevada did a 42 " vertical and a 10' 10" broad jump.

patmoran2006

02-26-2011, 12:30 PM

I'm falling head over heels for Cam Jordan

SABURZFAN

02-26-2011, 12:32 PM

I'm falling head over heels for Cam Jordan

did you kick Whitner's ass yet?

Nighthawk

02-26-2011, 01:29 PM

I'm falling head over heels for Cam Jordan

No way at #3...

ServoBillieves

02-26-2011, 02:47 PM

No way at #3...

Pray for the trade down...

DraftBoy

02-26-2011, 03:06 PM

No way at #3...

Still high for him there, but he's quickly growing into the top 10. Came in very well today and if he runs well then he'll be a top 10 pick almost everywhere you look. His tape matches his numbers, he's just a guy most didn't expect to leave early so lots of guys are re-working his tape.

TigerJ

02-26-2011, 03:27 PM

No way at #3...

I suggested a while ago if the Bills had a chance to trade down to 9 or 10 and take Cameron Jordan, it wouldn't be a bad move. With Jordan moving up though, I'm not sure where a safe spot to move would be if the Bills covet him.

Oaf

02-26-2011, 03:59 PM

I loved Marcell Dareus' combine interview. Despite our depth w/ Edwards and possibly Carrington, I'm hoping this is the guy we select. (close 2nd is Peterson)

Extremebillsfan247

02-26-2011, 05:34 PM

Currently watching the Oline drills. This group seems to get bigger every year. I remember when being a 6' 6" lineman was a rarity, now they're everywhere.

psubills62

02-26-2011, 09:07 PM

Can he still play DE? He's approaching NT size isn't he?

Ngata plays DE at around 350 lbs, if I remember correctly.

His weight isn't really an issue if he's still got the mobility to set the edge, imo.

Spiderweb

02-27-2011, 02:35 AM

I think Nix feels more comfortable with the OL in general than the fans do. That being said, his actions speak louder than words when it comes to RT. I don't think they're comfortable enough with RT to ignore it come draft time.

That being said, I agree - don't think Carimi falls to us in the 2nd.

Can;t recall exactly who said it, Gailey or Nix, but in their evaluation of the team, it was said that our OT's play brought some tears. Any chance tyo improve the team is open. We can only hope that whomever is drafted will finally provide some real bang for the buck.

Mad Max

02-27-2011, 09:33 AM

Virgil Green of Nevada did a 42 " vertical and a 10' 10" broad jump.

That guy looked stiff as a board. I was watching him throw up the ridiculous measurables and was impressed... And then came the actual football related drills.

I hope the Bills are done ogling guys with off the chart measurables and physical attributes FIRST, and instead find guys that can actually play American football.

DJ Williams TE ARKANSAS for example even though he looks like hootie (Darius Rucker) can flat out ball.

Mad Max

02-27-2011, 09:40 AM

I suggested a while ago if the Bills had a chance to trade down to 9 or 10 and take Cameron Jordan, it wouldn't be a bad move. With Jordan moving up though, I'm not sure where a safe spot to move would be if the Bills covet him.

I hope they don't covet anybody. This team has many more holes than talent. This draft looks fairly deep so if there's opportunity to stock pile a few picks I hope they take it.

cookie G

02-27-2011, 01:39 PM

First results of the DL bench press competition coming in

not all that impressive

Bailey 27
Beal 21
Bowers 22
Dareus 24
Bailey 27
Casey 26
Ellis 26

psubills62

02-27-2011, 01:41 PM

Reps of 225:

Marvin Austin: 38
Sione Fua: 30
Lawrence Guy: 28
Allen Bailey: 27
Jurrell Casey: 26
Kenrick Ellis: 26
Dareus: 24
Jeremy Beal: 22
DaQuan Bowers: 22
Jarvis Jenkins: 17

http://twitter.com/ShawnZobel_DHQ/

Also from Shawn Zobel's twitter:

Pat Devlin quietly having a nice day. He's cleaned up his delivery and looks more polished than he did at EW game

Boy did Ryan Mallett look good today. If there weren't questions, he'd be a top pick. By far the best physical tools of that first group

Cam Newton struggling with accuracy. He air-mailed two throws into the sidelines on 15-yard out's. Still needs work

Nathan Enderle was my preseason Sleeper of the Year, same honor I gave to SYR's Mike Williams. Really hoping he turns out a good workout.

psubills62

02-27-2011, 01:42 PM

One QB that I like (in the mid rounds) that few people seem to be talking about anymore is Stanzi. Tolzien is another guy to keep an eye on.

psubills62

02-27-2011, 01:55 PM

More Reps of 225 for DL:

Ryan Kerrigan: 31
Corey Liuget: 27
Cameron Jordan: 25

psubills62

02-27-2011, 02:29 PM

Stephen Paea with 49 reps - combine record.
Robert Quinn with 22 reps (same as Bowers).
JJ Watt: 34
Aldon Smith: 20
Phil Taylor: 31
Markus White: 14
Muhammad Wilkerson: 27
Ian Williams: 31

methos4ever

02-27-2011, 02:34 PM

Don't forget, a high number is nice and all, but they're looking to see if a player has spent time in the gym as a regular (work ethic, etc). So if you are in the low 20s and I'm in the high 20s and you play stronger than I do on film, I just get a gold star on NFLN and not with the scouts.

cookie G

02-27-2011, 02:45 PM

Stephen Paea with 49 reps - combine record.

That was impressive. For a while, I thought he might have slipped in some styrofoam plates instead of the real ones.

kingJofNYC

02-27-2011, 03:00 PM

Before his injury Paea was probably a 1st rounder, may still go in the 1st.

If we pick up a pass rusher with our first pick, Paea would make sense in the 2nd. We'd really beef up our front 7.

Bangarang

02-27-2011, 03:33 PM

Before his injury Paea was probably a 1st rounder, may still go in the 1st.

If we pick up a pass rusher with our first pick, Paea would make sense in the 2nd. We'd really beef up our front 7.

Paea is best suited as a 4-3 DT than 3-4 NT. He weighed in at only 303lbs.

kingJofNYC

02-27-2011, 03:38 PM

Paea is best suited as a 4-3 DT than 3-4 NT. He weighed in at only 303lbs.

Move him to the outside, we're going to run a hybrid D anyway. Guy can play a 4/5 tech in a 3/4, heck you need guys to play a 3-Tech in 3-4 under/over.

We need beef up front.

Bangarang

02-27-2011, 03:43 PM

Move him to the outside, we're going to run a hybrid D anyway. Guy can play a 4/5 tech in a 3/4, heck you need guys to play a 3-Tech in 3-4 under/over.

We need beef up front.

We're running a hybrid because we don't have the proper players to run a 3-4 full time. So to fix that problem we should be drafting more 4-3 players? I understand that we should be drafting talent regardless, but I'd like for us to stick with a scheme and have players that can actually play in that scheme.

Extremebillsfan247

02-27-2011, 06:56 PM

Stephen Paea with 49 reps - combine record.
Robert Quinn with 22 reps (same as Bowers).
JJ Watt: 34
Aldon Smith: 20
Phil Taylor: 31
Markus White: 14
Muhammad Wilkerson: 27
Ian Williams: 31
I watched that Paea bench press live, that was impressive. He was just throwing that thing up like it was nothing. I thought they should have gave him the 50 though. lol

psubills62

02-28-2011, 09:46 AM

40 times:

Fairley: 4.84
Dareus: 4.96 (1.66 10-yard split)
Marvin Austin: 4.86 (1.63 10-yard split)
Ryan Kerrigan: 4.67
Cameron Jordan: 4.71
Christian Ballard: 4.75
Sam Acho: 4.6
Dontay Moch: 4.45
Allen Bailey: 4.77

These DL are FAST.

psubills62

02-28-2011, 12:22 PM

Martez Wilson and Von Miller battling for the lowest 40 time. First run:

Wilson: 4.44
Miller: 4.46

Both times unofficial.

BTW, DE Brooks Reed (would be OLB in 3-4) ran a 4.68, third best among DL. Don't sleep on him - he had a good Senior Bowl at OLB/DE, and I believe the Bills coached him as well.

EDS

02-28-2011, 01:12 PM

tcb5033

02-28-2011, 04:44 PM

Does anyone have an opinion on the OLB from Nevada, Dontay Moch. I think he ran a 4.44 at the combine but has been clocked before in the 4.2's. Sounds like a freak to me, and could be worth a hard look in the middle rounds at the very least for passing downs and special teams. I say that of course with the thought that if we have good enough athletes, they might work out in other areas if not in the starting 11.

DraftBoy

02-28-2011, 04:52 PM