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  • mikemac2001
    is the creepy cross dresser staring at you in the corner
    • Mar 2003
    • 4574

    A top defense vs A first rd QB

    Playoff teams

    defense ranked by points because thats all that matters


    Steelers 1
    packers 2
    Ravens 3
    bears 4
    falcons 5
    Jets 6
    saints 7
    New England 8
    Chiefs 11
    eagles 21
    Colts 23
    seahawks 25


    RD 1
    Steelers = bye
    Ravens (3) > Chiefs (11)
    Jets (6) > Colts (23)
    New England = Bye

    Bears = Bye
    Falcons = bye
    Packers (2) > Eagles (21)
    Seahawks (25) > Saints (7)

    RD 2
    Jets (6) > NE (8)
    Steelers (1) > Ravens (3)
    Packers (2) > Falcons (5)
    Bears (4) > Seahawks (25)

    RD 3
    Steelers (1) > Jets (6)
    Packers (2) > Bears (4)

    RD 4
    Packers (2) > Steelers (1)

    As you can see the better D won all but 2 times

    seahawks upset the saints (at home and saints D sucked that day)
    and the number 2 d beat the number 1 D in the superbowl.

    But every other game the D came out on top

    Now lets take a different look at this


    Playoff teams
    With QB's by Round


    Steelers RD 1 QB
    packers RD 1 QB
    Ravens RD 1 QB
    bears RD 1 QB
    falcons RD 1 QB
    Jets RD 1 QB
    saints RD 2 (32 pick)
    New England RD 6
    Chiefs Really this guy sucks
    eagles RD 1
    Colts RD 1
    seahawks I honestly don't know i don't think its rd one (but bradford was rd 1)


    So the best teams in the league or divisions all had top defense but they also had for the most part round one qb's. also half of the picks werent even the first QB to be selected. i am all for going defense and not a huge fan of gabbert or newton but we need to improve both if they believe fitz can hold the team and they have a homerun on D i say go for D and see what fitz can do atleast we know we can score points the issue was our D not being able to stop anything.

    but if they draft QB how can we get upset both need improvements and the trends have shown you need both,

    i don't usually research stuff but i was kinda curious what was more of an impact and to be honest most of the teams had a first RD QB and a solid Defense but i think our biggest weakness was on the D.

    either way we need to get players who can play and make an impact.

    MUCK
    FIAMI
  • BertSquirtgum
    Legendary Zoner
    • May 2009
    • 13379

    #2
    Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

    fitz is the next johnny unitas. the bills need to go defense the first 4 rounds of the draft.

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    • Prov401
      President of WADL (Whitner Anti-Defamation League)
      • Aug 2008
      • 1651

      #3
      Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

      Defense wins titles. I'm not too crazy about any of the QB's in this draft. Fitz had a good year last year, and I believe will be better next year. I'm not saying he's our franchise savior, but he's got heart, brains, and toughness. We haven't seen that in a long time. Our defense is further behind than our QB play. We need to draft a player that is going to start from day one, and be a pro bowler throughout his career. A top 3 pick should net us that if we play it right. If we go QB, we're going to watch another first round pick not make an impact his rookie season for about the tenth year straight. Dareus, Peterson, or Bowers, I'm begging ya Nix.

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      • Extremebillsfan247
        Registered User
        • Sep 2008
        • 3142

        #4
        Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

        What that says is that it really doesn't matter what comes first, you need both to get to the top in the NFL. Teams with exposed defenses(Colts, Patriots, Chiefs, Saints) usually don't go very far in the post season even with elite QBs like Manning, or Brady etc. Teams with great defenses, but exposed offenses(Ravens) will get to the post season a lot but will fail to beat the teams that are more balanced. Balance is what any team striving to be a top team needs. Without it you may get to a post season, but it will rarely if ever lead to a Super Bowl ring in the end. JMO

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        • FlyingDutchman
          Registered User
          • Apr 2005
          • 5074

          #5
          Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

          To me its an easy decision. Last year there were 9 games where 30 points or more were scored on us...9...thats a joke...dead last against the rush....DEAD LAST...to me its obvious what the number one glaring hole is, and this is a perfect draft to address it with the prospects available

          Im not the biggest Fitz fan in the world but last year he proved to me that he is capable. Hes not taking us to the Super Bowl but hes serviceable for now. There is serious questions about each QB prospect coming out in the draft, yet the defensive line prospects seem strong. We have a glaring hole (DL) and promising prospects available versus somewhat of a problem (QB) with questionable prospects....I agree Fitz will not get us far, but neither will a defense that cant stop the ball and get off the field...Its a no brainer we address the Defensive front 7 with the 3rd pick imo
          Last edited by FlyingDutchman; 03-08-2011, 12:18 AM.

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          • Joe Fo Sho
            Making Spirits Bright
            • Mar 2006
            • 6194

            #6
            Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

            The thing is, no one really knows who in this draft is going to excel in the NFL.

            Let's say Peyton Manning, Julius Peppers, and Ray Lewis are in this draft. I would draft Manning, followed by Lewis then Peppers. But if only one of them are in this years draft, you have to take that player. I'm not qualified enough to say any of these rookies are going to be great, I just hope we draft the player that is going to have the most impact on this team.

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            • Night Train
              Retired - On Several Levels
              • Jul 2005
              • 33117

              #7
              Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

              The key, when was the QB brought in ?

              When the D sucked and the overall team was bad... or after the D was built up, in order to give him a chance to stay in games ?
              Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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              • X-Era
                What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                • Feb 2005
                • 27670

                #8
                Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                Originally posted by Prov401
                Defense wins titles. I'm not too crazy about any of the QB's in this draft. Fitz had a good year last year, and I believe will be better next year. I'm not saying he's our franchise savior, but he's got heart, brains, and toughness. We haven't seen that in a long time. Our defense is further behind than our QB play. We need to draft a player that is going to start from day one, and be a pro bowler throughout his career. A top 3 pick should net us that if we play it right. If we go QB, we're going to watch another first round pick not make an impact his rookie season for about the tenth year straight. Dareus, Peterson, or Bowers, I'm begging ya Nix.
                Except for this year?

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                • THE END OF ALL DAYS
                  The Allen Era has begun.... no looking back now, come hell or high water!
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 4525

                  #9
                  Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                  which came first.... chicken or the egg

                  which do we need first d or qb

                  same questions
                  In my day we did not have self-esteem... we had self-respect, and no more of it then we earned.

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                  • X-Era
                    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 27670

                    #10
                    Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                    Originally posted by Why so Serious?
                    which came first.... chicken or the egg

                    which do we need first d or qb

                    same questions
                    Why don't we just get both? One 1st round pick won't put the defense in the top 5. If the Bills think they are drafting a franchise QB at 3, get him. And then make a heavy investment on the defense from FA and the rest of the draft.

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                    • jamze132
                      Don’t hate…
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 29410

                      #11
                      Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                      I'm still not completely sold on Gabbert or Newton. But I am sold on Bowers, Fairely, and Miller. It's a tough call and I don't envy Nix and Co. for having a huge decision. Nix and Gailey know they have to absolutely nail this draft considering the high pick we have.

                      I think I am leaning on taking the BPA on defense in RD1 and then maybe taking a stab at Stazni in the 2nd if someone late in the first doesn't take him. If Carolina passes on a QB in RD 1, they might be thinking Stazni in RD 2 as well.

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                      • BuffaloBlakely14
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 269

                        #12
                        Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                        Originally posted by X-Era
                        Why don't we just get both? One 1st round pick won't put the defense in the top 5. If the Bills think they are drafting a franchise QB at 3, get him. And then make a heavy investment on the defense from FA and the rest of the draft.
                        I'm not 100% sold on any of the first round QB's this year, but this is one of the smartest quotes out there.

                        I love how people think that 1 first round pick will make the entire D. I am a very big proponent of Peterson or Miller at #3 but that is because I think that they are actually difference makers. I also would not be upset with Dareus. But if the Bills think that Gabbert or Newton has what it takes for the next decade, then there is no choice in my opinion.

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                        • alohabillsfan
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3206

                          #13
                          Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                          I would be happy with the Bills selecting defense with their first 4 picks. something like...

                          DE
                          ILB
                          CB
                          NT
                          SS/ILB
                          Last edited by alohabillsfan; 03-08-2011, 08:25 AM.

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                          • mikemac2001
                            is the creepy cross dresser staring at you in the corner
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 4574

                            #14
                            Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                            Originally posted by BuffaloBlakely14
                            I'm not 100% sold on any of the first round QB's this year, but this is one of the smartest quotes out there.

                            I love how people think that 1 first round pick will make the entire D. I am a very big proponent of Peterson or Miller at #3 but that is because I think that they are actually difference makers. I also would not be upset with Dareus. But if the Bills think that Gabbert or Newton has what it takes for the next decade, then there is no choice in my opinion.

                            And this is the big question

                            If they are sold on a qb and draft them then you gotta look at it as a positive

                            I don't like newton or gabbert but I also see why they might like them

                            But I believe the safer pick at 3 is defense

                            I think with a solid d we can still compete

                            We shouda coulda beat steelers bears ravens and chiefs all top 11 d's

                            Draft the player with the higher % to be a star right away with the 3rd pick

                            MUCK
                            FIAMI

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                            • alohabillsfan
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 3206

                              #15
                              Re: A top defense vs A first rd QB

                              Come on people, dont you want to build a defense that can do to Tom Brady what the Giants did to him in the superbowl! Screw offense!

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