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  • Pinkerton Security
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    • Feb 2006
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    Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

    Limited experience in reading defenses

    Newton basically ran a one-read offense at Auburn and wasn't asked to go through the complex read progressions he'll have to go through in the NFL.
    One way to illustrate this is by noting that he threw only 12 checkdown-type passes in nine games against FBS opponents. A checkdown is usually a throw of last resort at the end of the reading progression, and his low attempt volume here should be a reason for concern. At Auburn, if Newton didn't find his receiver, he usually just tucked the ball and ran. While this may have worked in college, it won't be as effective in the NFL, where linebackers will be far better suited to punish him for that decision.
    His experience questions are compounded by fact that just over 20 percent of his throws against FBS teams last year were screen passes. A screen is really a rush attempt in disguise and thus doesn't call for much in the way of reading a defense.
    Limited evidence of an ability to hit passes when forced to scramble

    It is assumed that Newton can be a playmaker through the air when he is forced to leave the pocket. He possesses that ability, but the 2010 season offered little in the way of metric evidence of that skill.
    Newton did complete 7 of 11 passes against FBS teams last year on plays in which his receivers had to adjust their routes because of his scrambling. That is slightly more than one completion every two games, but the number is also somewhat deceptive, because four of the completions came in the SEC championship game against South Carolina alone. Take those out and Newton had only three scramble completions in nine FBS contests. While his completion percentage is high, the low volume of attempts is not exactly proof positive that he is a passing threat on the run.
    Comes up very short in 'The Parcells Rules' for drafting quarterbacks

    In his long tenure as a successful talent evaluator, Bill Parcells came up with a set of seven criteria he used when drafting quarterbacks. These include: being a three-year starter, a senior in college, a college graduate, starting 30 games, winning 23 games, having a 2-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a completion rate of 60 percent.
    These are a high set of standards, but quarterbacks who meet them have superb NFL track records.
    For proof, consider the first-round draft picks who have met those criteria in the BCS era (1999-2010): Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers and Tim Tebow. Four of those quarterbacks have led their teams to playoff berths, and one has won the Super Bowl.
    Now check out how Newton stacks up in these areas: He is a one-year FBS starter and a junior who did not graduate college. He started 14 games, had 14 wins, posted a 30-to-7 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a completion rate of 65.4 percent.
    That means he meets only two of the seven criteria -- the touchdown-to-interception ratio and the completion percentage. He falls far short of meeting the Parcells bar.


    KC Joyner analyzes Cam Newton's game tape from last season and gives seven more reasons he may struggle in the NFL.



    The article also goes on to describe these other reasons:
    - High volume of coaching changes: Newton has had four offensive coordinators in his six high school and college seasons. That number will increase to five in seven seasons once he reaches the pros...wont doom him but will hinder him for sure
    - Coachability: the author points out that Newton has worked under some big time coaches, including Urban Meyer while at Florida, and has not really improved his mechanics, so why are NFL coaches going to magically fix this? There are also obvious question marks about his leadership and maturity.


    Im not gonna be terribly upset if we draft him because I think he is an incredible talent and an amazing athlete, but people do need to make 100% sure they realize he is a work in progress, not a stud.

  • ddaryl
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    • Jan 2005
    • 10714

    #2
    Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

    RC Fishers statistical analysis article on Newton




    It's not that high pass attempts equals success, if so Graham Harrell or David Klinger would be the best QBs ever. It's just that "mobile" QB's seem to throw less (makes sense, they run a lot more), but that focus on their running ability may open college defenses up so much that it allows these "mobile" QBs to inflate their passing stats on a per pass basis. Rarely, very rarely...almost never has the highly mobile QB ever become an elite NFL passing QB. Cam Newton may be the next "mobile" QB to fall into that trap.

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    • Philagape
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      #3
      Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

      If people want an outstanding athlete with a live arm who's a dual threat, why not Colin Kaepernick? He's much better value in the third round (if he lasts that long) than Newton is in the first.
      Kaepernick is the only QB ever to have 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing.
      He has good intangibles, and unlike Newton, he's a four-year starter.
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      • Ebenezer
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        • Jul 2002
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        #4
        Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

        Friends don't let friends draft Newton at 3.




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        • Joe Fo Sho
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          • Mar 2006
          • 6194

          #5
          Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

          Pffffft, who cares? He's a QB, QB's make your team win superbowls, we wanna win Superbowls. Cam is the obvious choice as he is a QB.

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          • ChristopherWalken
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            • Dec 2002
            • 1026

            #6
            Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

            Originally posted by Philagape
            If people want an outstanding athlete with a live arm who's a dual threat, why not Colin Kaepernick? He's much better value in the third round (if he lasts that long) than Newton is in the first.
            Kaepernick is the only QB ever to have 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing.
            He has good intangibles, and unlike Newton, he's a four-year starter.
            I'm with ya.

            I'd much rather gamble a 3rd or even a 2nd for Kaepernick than gamble a 1st for Newton and bypass a guy like Dareus or Bowers.

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            • justasportsfan
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              • Jul 2002
              • 71579

              #7
              Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

              Originally posted by Philagape
              If people want an outstanding athlete with a live arm who's a dual threat, why not Colin Kaepernick? He's much better value in the third round (if he lasts that long) than Newton is in the first.
              Kaepernick is the only QB ever to have 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing.
              He has good intangibles, and unlike Newton, he's a four-year starter.

              IF Kaepernick was the Auburn qb, IMO he would have done just as well as Newton.
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              • DraftBoy
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                • Jul 2002
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                #8
                Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                Originally posted by justasportsfan
                IF Kaepernick was the Auburn qb, IMO he would have done just as well as Newton.
                Cant buy that.

                One of the reason Auburn was so successful was due to Newton's ability to convert down and short with his legs. It was almost impossible to drive him backwards or just take him down with a simple tackle. He almost always fell forward to gain that needed 2-3 yards.

                Kap is not the same way as a runner.
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                • justasportsfan
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                  10000 yards passing and 4000 yards rushing, I could see the playcalls made to suit his abilities just like with Cam .
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                  • dog14787
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                    • Oct 2010
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                    #10
                    Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                    A league Built for Cam Newton

                    People keep saying Cam Newton's biggest concern entering the NFL is his inexperience backing up. He needs work in a pro style system, where the snaps are under center. But he's entering a league where the trend is headed the opposite way.

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                    • dasaybz
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                      • Apr 2005
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                      Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                      So since he was asked at Auburn to play to his strengths, and do whatever it took to win games, it won't equate to the NFL? I don't see how this means he won't be able to make the reads or play a pro style offense. Also, NFL teams get burned all the time by scrambling QBs tucking and running if nobody is open.

                      Now, if it was shown that Newton was consistently having problem running a pro style offense, and was getting picked off left and right because he couldn't read a defense, that's another story. But to try and say a guy won't be a good NFL player because he wasn't asked to do certain things in college is just a huge assumption. I hate when these articles are written factual, when it just truly isn't.

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                      • psubills62
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                        • Sep 2008
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                        #12
                        Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                        Originally posted by dog14787
                        Media-driven, you mean?
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                        • Extremebillsfan247
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                          • Sep 2008
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                          #13
                          Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                          First, experience isn't something your born with. Experience happens over time. Second, if your questioning the offense he played in, you have to throw Gabbert in that conversation for playing in the same kind of offense Newton did. What's even worse for Gabbert is that he has been in that system longer than Newton has. It could potentially take longer for Gabbert to undo the process he has become so accustomed to. Finally, Newton did more with one season at Auburn playing against some of the top teams in the country than it takes most college QBs 3 seasons to accomplish. That's why all 32 teams were at his pro day. Not a lot of 1 year QBs get that kind of respect, trust me on that.
                          Last edited by Extremebillsfan247; 03-10-2011, 02:43 PM.

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                          • Pinkerton Security
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                            • Feb 2006
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                            #14
                            Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                            Originally posted by dasaybz
                            So since he was asked at Auburn to play to his strengths, and do whatever it took to win games, it won't equate to the NFL? I don't see how this means he won't be able to make the reads or play a pro style offense. Also, NFL teams get burned all the time by scrambling QBs tucking and running if nobody is open.

                            Now, if it was shown that Newton was consistently having problem running a pro style offense, and was getting picked off left and right because he couldn't read a defense, that's another story. But to try and say a guy won't be a good NFL player because he wasn't asked to do certain things in college is just a huge assumption. I hate when these articles are written factual, when it just truly isn't.
                            Its been shown with somewhat empirical evidence that guys who run Pro-style offenses instead of relying on their athletic ability become better QB's...take a look at nearly all of the best QB's in the NFL for evidence, other than Vick, and hes definitely the exception to the rule. Its obviously not a given, I'd just prefer to use a high pick on a proven stud with a high ceiling than draft a guy with a little bit higher ceiling but a comparatively high chance of turning out to be a total bust. Again, I said I wouldnt be horribly upset if we drafted Newton but I just think hes the epitome of Boom-or-Bust and Id rather take a more sure thing at this point.

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                            • Pinkerton Security
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                              • Feb 2006
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                              #15
                              Re: Why Cam Newton will struggle as a Pro

                              Originally posted by Extremebillsfan247
                              First, experience isn't something your born with. Experience happens over time. Second, if your questioning the offense he played in, you have to throw Gabbert in that conversation for playing in the same kind of offense Newton did. What's even worse for Gabbert is that he has been in that system longer than Newton has. It could potentially take longer for Gabbert to undo the process he has become so accustomed to. Finally, Newton did more with one season at Auburn playing against some of the top teams in the country than it takes most college QBs 3 seasons to accomplish. That's why all 32 teams were at his pro day. Not a lot of 1 year QBs get that kind of respect, trust me on that.
                              I dont want Gabbert in round 1 either, in fact I'd rather have Newton at 3 than Gabbert.

                              Also, just because someone is an exceptional 1 year wonder doesnt make him anything other than a 1 year wonder...there is no disputing the fact that Newton, as a passer, is extremely raw and isnt ready to throw against NFL defenses right now.

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