So did we "play well" tonight?

[OpIv37]

Let me see if I can guess the pathetic excuses that some of you will make for the ****ing inexcusable:
-10 games in 14 days
-Carolina played well too
-We got 40 shots on goal and were 5-5 on the PK, so we played well.

****ing horse ****. We didn't play well and neither did Carolina. Carolina is ****ing BAD. I have no idea how they're even in the playoff chase. Their PP is pathetic, they make sloppy passes, they don't sustain offensive pressure.

But the Sabres were ****ing worse. I've never seen a goalie gift-wrapped a 40 shot shutout like that in my life. The overwhelming majority of the Sabres shots were weak- there are goalies in rec leagues who would have stopped at least 30 of those. Connolly can't finish a play to save his life. Montador had his head up his ass for the whole 3rd period. McCormick was useless tonight. Miller was the only reason we were in it for the entire game.

But hey, it's ok that Carolina is only 2 points behind us, right? It's ok that the Rangers gained two points on us in the playoff standings, right? It's only one game, right?

Nonsense. This team has no killer instinct. They are pissing away the few remaining opportunities.

[clumping platelets]

Can't win them all

[Ebenezer]

Both teams looked like crap.

[JD]

While I think we had a decent game, we clearly just do not have that go-to guy.. let alone a ****ing captain.

We better do work this off-season.

I personally hope we miss the playoffs, by the looks of things.. Pegula will bring in whoever we put in the suggestion box.

[clumping platelets]

There were nights I bowled "well" but did not score (i.e. walk thru 8 pins, pocket 7-10 splits). There were other nights I was just plain lucky, carried, and scored well. It's all in the definition

I once bowled a 620 series and NEVER missed the 1-3 pocket and had only 1 open frame. The following week I bowled 744, had 3 or 4 crossover strikes, missed the pocket a couple of times, and had 3 open frames. I bowled better throwing the 620 than the 744. You really need to understand bowling to understand my analogy to the thread

[Jan Reimers]

Let me see if I can guess the pathetic excuses that some of you will make for the ****ing inexcusable:
-10 games in 14 days
-Carolina played well too
-We got 40 shots on goal and were 5-5 on the PK, so we played well.

****ing horse ****. We didn't play well and neither did Carolina. Carolina is ****ing BAD. I have no idea how they're even in the playoff chase. Their PP is pathetic, they make sloppy passes, they don't sustain offensive pressure.

But the Sabres were ****ing worse. I've never seen a goalie gift-wrapped a 40 goal shutout like that in my life. The overwhelming majority of the Sabres shots were weak- there are goalies in rec leagues who would have stopped at least 30 of those. Connolly can't finish a play to save his life. Montador had his head up his ass for the whole 3rd period. McCormick was useless tonight. Miller was the only reason we were in it for the entire game.

But hey, it's ok that Carolina is only 2 points behind us, right? It's ok that the Rangers gained two points on us in the playoff standings, right? It's only one game, right?

Nonsense. This team has no killer instinct. They are pissing away the few remaining opportunities.
Cripes, Op, take your anger out on the Sabres, not us. They stunk. I don't think anyone would say they played well, or this game didn't matter.

I'm as pissed about the game as you are. But these constant references to what someone might say as an excuse are really juvenile. Insulting other Sabres fans because you are upset is not really productive.

Your rage often overpowers your good judgment.

[Dr. Lecter]

While I think we had a decent game, we clearly just do not have that go-to guy.. let alone a ****ing captain.

We better do work this off-season.

I personally hope we miss the playoffs, by the looks of things.. Pegula will bring in whoever we put in the suggestion box.


If you want them to miss the playoffs you are an idiot.

[Dr. Lecter]

Out of the last 66 available points, they have 42 of them.

That is a pace of 104.

To act like they are playing poorly in general is ignoring facts.

[chernobylwraiths]

Should have played Enroth.

[Dude]

I agree with Op's assessment on the Sabres' shooting last night. They didn't generate enough good chances, and the few they had they didn't capitalize on.

[SabreEleven]

While I think we had a decent game, we clearly just do not have that go-to guy.. let alone a ****ing captain.

We better do work this off-season.

I personally hope we miss the playoffs, by the looks of things.. Pegula will bring in whoever we put in the suggestion box.

So if the Sabres make the playoffs, Pegula is going to throw up his hands and say "That is it, I've done my job, we don't need to improve". Lecter is right for once in his life, your post is an idiot.

[SabreEleven]

Being tired might not be a good excuse but it's a fact of like, 10 games in 14 nights is a lot in anybody's book. I give them a pass for this game plus Ward played pretty good. I blame Carolina for not winning by more and taking advantage of a tired team.

I look for them to come like they were shot out of a cannon on Saturday night.

[OpIv37]

Cripes, Op, take your anger out on the Sabres, not us. They stunk. I don't think anyone would say they played well, or this game didn't matter.

I'm as pissed about the game as you are. But these constant references to what someone might say as an excuse are really juvenile. Insulting other Sabres fans because you are upset is not really productive.

Your rage often overpowers your good judgment.

well last time I criticized the team I got chewed out by the very Sabres fans you are defending. So, once again, when there is no legitimate defense of the team, the conversation is turned back on me personally.

[OpIv37]

Out of the last 66 available points, they have 42 of them.

That is a pace of 104.

To act like they are playing poorly in general is ignoring facts.

they play poorly when it counts the most.

This was a 4 point game against Carolina. We lost ground to them.

[OpIv37]

Being tired might not be a good excuse but it's a fact of like, 10 games in 14 nights is a lot in anybody's book. I give them a pass for this game plus Ward played pretty good. I blame Carolina for not winning by more and taking advantage of a tired team.

I look for them to come like they were shot out of a cannon on Saturday night.

I don't think Ward played that well. He made 3 or 4 spectacular saves. The remaining 36 were shots that trickled in from the blue line or lasers directly into his chest protector. He didn't play that well because he didn't have to- the Sabres didn't challenge him.

[SabreEleven]

He was named the first star.

[OpIv37]

He was named the first star.

have you ever seen a goalie get a shutout and not be named one of the stars?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Let me see if I can guess the pathetic excuses that some of you will make for the ****ing inexcusable:
-10 games in 14 days
-Carolina played well too
-We got 40 shots on goal and were 5-5 on the PK, so we played well.

****ing horse ****. We didn't play well and neither did Carolina. Carolina is ****ing BAD. I have no idea how they're even in the playoff chase. Their PP is pathetic, they make sloppy passes, they don't sustain offensive pressure.

But the Sabres were ****ing worse. I've never seen a goalie gift-wrapped a 40 shot shutout like that in my life. The overwhelming majority of the Sabres shots were weak- there are goalies in rec leagues who would have stopped at least 30 of those. Connolly can't finish a play to save his life. Montador had his head up his ass for the whole 3rd period. McCormick was useless tonight. Miller was the only reason we were in it for the entire game.

But hey, it's ok that Carolina is only 2 points behind us, right? It's ok that the Rangers gained two points on us in the playoff standings, right? It's only one game, right?

Nonsense. This team has no killer instinct. They are pissing away the few remaining opportunities.
Oh STFU already.... This act has grown tiresome...
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[OpIv37]

call it an act all you want- I really don't care.

I'm pissed that this team keeps losing to Carolina. I'm pissed that this team chokes in the most important games. I'm pissed that this team can't solidify their playoff positioning. I'm pissed that this team can't manage ONE ****ING GOAL on 40 shots. At least then we would have minimized the damage- we still would have lost ground but it would take Carolina at least 2 games to make up the 3 points. Now they only have to win 1 to tie us.

I don't know why some of you seem so content with barely holding the 8 slot.

[Dr. Lecter]

they play poorly when it counts the most.

This was a 4 point game against Carolina. We lost ground to them.
Not really, but convince yourself of that or else you will have to admit you flew off the handle.

I know you think that the 19 wins did not come in any important games, but that really is not true.

[THATHURMANATOR]

call it an act all you want- I really don't care.

I'm pissed that this team keeps losing to Carolina. I'm pissed that this team chokes in the most important games. I'm pissed that this team can't solidify their playoff positioning. I'm pissed that this team can't manage ONE ****ING GOAL on 40 shots. At least then we would have minimized the damage- we still would have lost ground but it would take Carolina at least 2 games to make up the 3 points. Now they only have to win 1 to tie us.

I don't know why some of you seem so content with barely holding the 8 slot.
When you start realizing no one gives a **** that you are so angry your blood pressure might go down.

[Dr. Lecter]

call it an act all you want- I really don't care.

I'm pissed that this team keeps losing to Carolina. I'm pissed that this team chokes in the most important games. I'm pissed that this team can't solidify their playoff positioning. I'm pissed that this team can't manage ONE ****ING GOAL on 40 shots. At least then we would have minimized the damage- we still would have lost ground but it would take Carolina at least 2 games to make up the 3 points. Now they only have to win 1 to tie us.

I don't know why some of you seem so content with barely holding the 8 slot.


Nobody is content. You keep missing the point.

You fly off the handle about one game.

Yet you did not get giddy at all when they beat Philly or Boston.

You refuse to look at the bigger picture, like the record since the start of the year and say a ****ing think about it.

They had a bad game. It happens in the NHL. No team is perfect. We know this team is not perfect this year. Nobody is saying they are.

They are also not the worst team in NHL history with no redeeming qualities as you seem to think

[OpIv37]

Not really, but convince yourself of that or else you will have to admit you flew off the handle.

I know you think that the 19 wins did not come in any important games, but that really is not true.

This game would have put us 6 points ahead of Carolina. Instead we are only 2 points ahead of Carolina. Just like the ****ing last time we played Carolina.

2 big games that we lost in the last 12 days alone (not to mention that they weren't the only two losses over that span).

So go ahead and convince yourself that this team can win big games. But don't be surprised when you see them on the golf course in early April.

[OpIv37]

When you start realizing no one gives a **** that you are so angry your blood pressure might go down.

I really don't care if anyone gives a **** that I'm angry. What I don't understand is that you guys claim to be Sabres fans as well but you shrug all this stuff off and make excuses for the team as if losing ground in the playoff chase doesn't matter. It's illogical.

[Dr. Lecter]

This game would have put us 6 points ahead of Carolina. Instead we are only 2 points ahead of Carolina. Just like the ****ing last time we played Carolina.

2 big games that we lost in the last 12 days alone (not to mention that they weren't the only two losses over that span).

So go ahead and convince yourself that this team can win big games. But don't be surprised when you see them on the golf course in early April.
I remember last year at this time when you guaranteed that they were going to lose the NE and would probably miss the playoffs.

You are the DiscoPatti of this forum.

I still think it is very possible that they miss the playoffs. But it will be because of October and November not because of the last few weeks.

[Dr. Lecter]

I really don't care if anyone gives a **** that I'm angry. What I don't understand is that you guys claim to be Sabres fans as well but you shrug all this stuff off and make excuses for the team as if losing ground in the playoff chase doesn't matter. It's illogical.


Nobody is shrugging it off.

There is a difference between shrugging it off and going balistic.

Don't be an idiot.

And do not question our fanhood. When you spend $2,000+ a year on tickets you can come here and question my fanhood, just as you get pissy when somebody questions your fanhood (which is idiotic as well)

Until then, stfu.

[OpIv37]

Nobody is content. You keep missing the point.

You fly off the handle about one game.

Yet you did not get giddy at all when they beat Philly or Boston.

You refuse to look at the bigger picture, like the record since the start of the year and say a ****ing think about it.

They had a bad game. It happens in the NHL. No team is perfect. We know this team is not perfect this year. Nobody is saying they are.

They are also not the worst team in NHL history with no redeeming qualities as you seem to think

This has NOTHING to do with the team- it has to do with me.

And btw, everyone's been beating Philly for the last month or so.

And you're once again missing the point- whatever redeeming qualities this team may have are overshadowed by their problems. You're the guy sitting in a car with 4 flat tires and a thrown rod talking about how great the nav system is.

[OpIv37]

Nobody is shrugging it off.

There is a difference between shrugging it off and going balistic.

Don't be an idiot.

And do not question our fanhood. When you spend $2,000+ a year on tickets you can come here and question my fanhood, just as you get pissy when somebody questions your fanhood (which is idiotic as well)

Until then, stfu.

I'm not questioning your fanhood- I'm questioning your logic. See nav system example above.

[Dr. Lecter]

This has NOTHING to do with the team- it has to do with me.

And btw, everyone's been beating Philly for the last month or so.

And you're once again missing the point- whatever redeeming qualities this team may have are overshadowed by their problems. You're the guy sitting in a car with 4 flat tires and a thrown rod talking about how great the nav system is.


Yeah, the team is exactly like the worst car in the world.

And Philly, since February 1 is 10-7-2. Not great, but also not everybody has been beating them

[Dr. Lecter]

I'm not questioning your fanhood- I'm questioning your logic. See nav system example above.
And I am questioning your logic in not seeing that this team is much better.

And saying "you guys claim to be Sabres fans" sure as hell is questioning fanhood.

[SabreEleven]

Relax, both you girls are pretty.

[trapezeus]

i just think they all looked slow and sloppy. after miller had to get back on his skates after he froze the puck he used his stick to help himself up.

the sabres have had a knack of playing down to competition and waiting to score later on a nice rush. They had maybe 3 or 4 rushes with odd man breaks and they didn't score on any of them. i usually refer to this as the entitled sabres team think. Where they just think they are better and more talented and a goal will come. They did this the last couple years and did it against the bruins. and then they turn on the heat at the very end.

The last couple weeks the sabrs have banged in the corners. the only guy on the ice who skated like he thought it was an important game was cody mccormick.

Sabres badly need the thrashers and predators as wins and to get back in that 7 seed. Even montreal is faltering. it would have been nice to put some more pressure on them. it would have been a longshot, but back in december being in 8th place seemed like a longshot.

also lost in the mix was that the sabres were apparently going to try a new goal scoring song and of course they didn't even get one to see how it'd go over.

[OpIv37]

And I am questioning your logic in not seeing that this team is much better.

And saying "you guys claim to be Sabres fans" sure as hell is questioning fanhood.

They're not much better. They've had 2, maybe 2 1/2, good months. They had 2 good months at the start of 08-09 before tanking and not making the playoffs too. They are still exhibiting a lot of the same problems that held them back the last few years. If you fail to see it, I don't know what to tell you.

Seriously, we got SHUT OUT yesterday, by a team behind us in the standings that's on our heels for a playoff spot. And you're trying to tell me the team's not that bad? Come on.

[chernobylwraiths]

You are the DiscoPatti of this forum

Now that was really uncalled for. I think you broke TOS with that.

[Dr. Lecter]

They're not much better. They've had 2, maybe 2 1/2, good months. They had 2 good months at the start of 08-09 before tanking and not making the playoffs too. They are still exhibiting a lot of the same problems that held them back the last few years. If you fail to see it, I don't know what to tell you.

Seriously, we got SHUT OUT yesterday, by a team behind us in the standings that's on our heels for a playoff spot. And you're trying to tell me the team's not that bad? Come on.


Nobody is saying that is not bad. Nobody is saying this team is perfect.

But they are not horrible either. There are not two and only two choices - horrible and great - when it comes to sport teams.

They had over 100 points last year. This year, their post January record is on pace for 100+ points.

This is not black and white.

[Dr. Lecter]

Now that was really uncalled for. I think you broke TOS with that.
I gave myself a warning.

[OpIv37]

Nobody is saying that is not bad. Nobody is saying this team is perfect.

But they are not horrible either. There are not two and only two choices - horrible and great - when it comes to sport teams.

They had over 100 points last year. This year, their post January record is on pace for 100+ points.

This is not black and white.

post January record? If we end up on the outside looking in come April, who gives a ****? Again, admiring the nav system in a car that doesn't run.

[Dr. Lecter]

post January record? If we end up on the outside looking in come April, who gives a ****? Again, admiring the nav system in a car that doesn't run.
But, in this case, the car is running.

They have not been eliminated from playoff comeptition (at least as far as I know)

[THATHURMANATOR]

I really don't care if anyone gives a **** that I'm angry. What I don't understand is that you guys claim to be Sabres fans as well but you shrug all this stuff off and make excuses for the team as if losing ground in the playoff chase doesn't matter. It's illogical.
If you watched a game with me you would understand. I am M Fing the TV. Throwing **** around the room. Hitting myself in the chest and legs.

Maybe I just get my frustration out during the game.

I am worse at Bills games. Charles can attest to that..

[Dude]

True, the Sabres laid an egg last night.

But the season's not over.

[OpIv37]

But, in this case, the car is running.

They have not been eliminated from playoff comeptition (at least as far as I know)

it's not really running, it's more like in neutral coasting down a hill. Every time the road gets steep, it becomes useless.

[chernobylwraiths]

I would like to point out that taking the games played only in the new year and throwing out the games played before is a bit Wysian. And I've never met the man.

[OpIv37]

If you watched a game with me you would understand. I am M Fing the TV. Throwing **** around the room. Hitting myself in the chest and legs.

Maybe I just get my frustration out during the game.

I am worse at Bills games. Charles can attest to that..

fair enough.

I used to be the same way, but too many years of watching these teams has beaten the enthusiasm out of me. I expect losses and the wins are never enough to get us anywhere.

[chernobylwraiths]

it's not really running, it's more like in neutral coasting down a hill. Every time the road gets steep, it becomes useless.

Bad analogies. The reason they are bad is because you are picking and choosing the games that are important. Now, you are absolutely right that the two Carolina games were important, but all games are important now, including the games against tough teams like Philly and Boston as well as not so good teams like Ottawa.

I liken it to this car that you've had for a while. You know there are problems with it and there are definitely parts that you know you will and need to replace when you can, but it is still getting you places. Right now, the temperature light is on. It could mean something, or it could be the car needs a bit of a rest. Now if they lose another game or two in a row, the oil light is on and there are leaks in the driveway.

[chernobylwraiths]

And please car guys don't tell me that the temperature light doesn't mean that the car just needs a rest.

[Dr. Lecter]

it's not really running, it's more like in neutral coasting down a hill. Every time the road gets steep, it becomes useless.
So a 7 game road trip is not steep?

A 7 game road trip with a record of 4-1-2?

[THATHURMANATOR]

So a 7 game road trip is not steep?

A 7 game road trip with a record of 4-1-2?
A record road trip in amount of games mind you. Longest road trip the team has ever had.

[G Wolly]

What I don't understand is that you guys claim to be Sabres fans as well but you shrug all this stuff off and make excuses for the team as if losing ground in the playoff chase doesn't matter. It's illogical.

Same old song and dance with you.

A 1 to 0 game is never easy to lose, especially with playoff implications.

Just because us "fans" don't choose to dwell on it, doesn't mean we aren't upset with the loss.

It's an 82 game season, not just one game.

Losses add up, playoff race, blah blah, save it.

Just find a common ground and let's reach a mutual agreement that

A) We should have/Could have won.

B) We did not.

C) We are currently still in 8th, 2 points ahead of Carolina.

D) We have 13 games left, and it's time to move on.

[JD]

If you want them to miss the playoffs you are an idiot.
So you'd rather see them go to the playoffs, choke in first round..and give up draft position in the process?

It's clear this team doesn't have what it takes to win it all, so why get this city's hopes up once again? Nothing like continuing that Buffalo mentality.

[JD]

So if the Sabres make the playoffs, Pegula is going to throw up his hands and say "That is it, I've done my job, we don't need to improve". Lecter is right for once in his life, your post is an idiot.

Of course not, but would he be more tempted to improve the team if we missed the playoffs or if we made the playoffs?

[G Wolly]

Of course not, but would he be more tempted to improve the team if we missed the playoffs or if we made the playoffs?

I don't think making the playoffs or not will influence him to ignore the moves he needs to make.

[Dr. Lecter]

So you'd rather see them go to the playoffs, choke in first round..and give up draft position in the process?

It's clear this team doesn't have what it takes to win it all, so why get this city's hopes up once again? Nothing like continuing that Buffalo mentality.
False dichotomy. Those are not the only two choices.

Draft position in the NHL, past the top ten, is generally not all that important.

I would rather see them make the playoffs, have a shot and at very least give guys like Gerbe, Ennis and Myers some playoff experience.

[SabreEleven]

False dichotomy. Those are not the only two choices.

Draft position in the NHL, past the top ten, is generally not all that important.

I would rather see them make the playoffs, have a shot and at very least give guys like Gerbe, Ennis and Myers some playoff experience.

anything past the top 5 in the draft is crap shoot.

[trapezeus]

so to be clear, if vanek scores on the break away this whole thread goes away...and they still didn't play a very good game.

i think the sabres pick up four points in the next two games. i don't think the same is true for the rangers or the hurricanes.

i'm torn on this. sabres played like poop and there are worries that they can't get up at home to beat a team that needs to be beaten. the fact the hurricanes were so bad and we still couldn't just put in one strong period to put them away is unnerving with the playoffs a month away.

the good news is that this year was a lot year and the reinforcements are on their way. i'm beginning to think that the pegula project will work. we will all be happy come july.