DB Mock Draft V4.0

[DraftBoy]

1st Round
1- Carolina Panthers < 2-14 > - QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2- Denver Broncos < 4-12 > - DT Marcel Dareus, Alabama
3- Buffalo Bills < 4-12 > - DE Cameron Jordan, California
4- Cincinnati Bengals < 4-12 > - WR A.J. Green, Georgia
5- Arizona Cardinals < 5-11 > - QB Cam Newton, Auburn
6- Cleveland Browns < 5-11 > - WR Julio Jones, Alabama
7- San Francisco 49ers < 6-10 > - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
8- Tennessee Titans < 6-10 > - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
9- Dallas Cowboys < 6-10 > - OT Tyron Smith, USC
10- Washington Redskins < 6-10 > - OLB Robert Quinn, North Carolina
11- Houston Texans < 6-10 > - DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
12- Minnesota Vikings < 6-10> - OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
13- Detroit Lions < 6-10 > - CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
14- St. Louis Rams < 7-9 > - DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
15- Miami Dolphins < 7-9 > - OLB Justin Houston, Georgia
16- Jacksonville Jaguars < 8-8 > - WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
17- New England Patriots < via Oak > - DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
18- San Diego Chargers < 9-7 > - DE Corey Liuget, Illinois
19- New York Giants < 10-6 > - OT Nate Solder, Colorado
20- Tampa Bay Buccaneers < 10-6 > - OT Anthony Costanzo, Boston College
21- Kansas City Chiefs < 10-6 > - ILB Martez Wilson, Illinois
22- Indianapolis Colts < 10-6 > - OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
23- Philadelphia Eagles < 10-6 > - OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
24- New Orleans Saints < 11-5 > - RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
25- Seattle Seahawks < 7-9 > -DT Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple
26- Baltimore Ravens < 11-5 > - CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
27- Atlanta Falcons < 13-3 > -DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
28- New England Patriots < 14-2 >- OLB Brooks Reed, Arizona
29- New York Jets < 11-5 > - DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
30- Chicago Bears < 11-5 > - WR Torrey Smith, Maryland
31- Pittsburgh Steelers < 12-4 > - WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami
32- Green Bay Packers < 10-6 > - CB Brandon Harris, Miami

2nd Round
33- New England Patriots < via Car > - RB Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
34- Buffalo Bills < 4-12 > - OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State.
35- Cincinnati Bengals < 4-12 > - QB Jake Locker, Washington
36- Denver Broncos < 4-12 > - TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
37- Cleveland Browns < 5-11 > - DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
38- Arizona Cardinals < 5-11 > - OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA
39- Tennessee Titans < 6-10 > -OLB Bruce Carter, UNC
40- Dallas Cowboys < 6-10 > - CB Davon House, New Mexico State
41- Washington Redskins < 6-10 > - NT Phil Taylor, Baylor
42- Houston Texans < 6-10 > - OG Danny Watkins, Baylor
43- Minnesota Vikings < 6-10 > - QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
44- Detroit Lions < 6-10 > - FS Rahim Moore, UCLA
45- San Francisco 49ers < 6-10 > - RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
46- Denver Broncos < via Mia > OT Marcus Cannon, TCU
47- St. Louis Rams < 7-9 > - WR Jerel Jernigan, Troy
48- Oakland Raiders < 8-8 > - OT Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh
49- Jacksonville Jaguars < 8-8 > - OG Rodney Hudson, FSU
50- San Diego Chargers < 9-7 > - DT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton
51- Tampa Bay Buccaneers < 10-6 > -DE Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
52- New York Giants < 10-6 > - OC Stefan Wisniewski, Penn State
53- Indianapolis Colts < 10-6 > - DT Stephen Paea, Oregon State
54- Philadelphia Eagles < 10-6 > - CB Aaron Williams, Texas
55- Kansas City Chiefs < 10-6 > - WR Titus Young, Boise State
56- New Orleans Saints < 11-5 > - DT Marvin Austin, UNC
57- Seattle Seahawks < 7-9 > - QB Christian Ponder, FSU
58- Baltimore Ravens < 11-5 > - FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
59- Atlanta Falcons < 13-3 > - TE Luke Stocker, Tennessee
60- New England Patriots < 14-2 > - OG Benjamin Ijalana, Villanova
61- San Diego Chargers < via New York Jets > - WR Niles Paul, Nebraska
62- Chicago Bears < 11-5 > - DT Drake Nevis, LSU
63- Pittsburgh Steelers < 12-4 > - DE Christian Ballard, Iowa
64- Green Bay Packers < 10-6 > OLB Dontay Moch, Nevada

3rd Round
65- Carolina Panthers < 2-14 > DT Jurrel Casey, USC
66- Cincinnati Bengals < 4-12 > - RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
67- Denver Broncos < 4-12 > - CB Brandon Burton, Utah
68- Buffalo Bills < 4-12 > - CB Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
69- Arizona Cardinals < 5-11 > - ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State
70- Cleveland Browns < 5-11 > - CB Johnny Patrick, Louisville
71- Dallas Cowboys < 6-10 > - SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
72- New Orleans Saints < via Was > - DE Allen Bailey, Miami
73- Houston Texans < 6-10 > - CB Curtis Brown, Texas
74- New England Patriots < via 6-10 Min > - OT James Carpenter, Alabama
75- Detroit Lions < 6-10 > - WR Randall Cobb, Kentucky
76- San Francisco 49ers < 6-10 > - QB Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
77- Tennessee Titans < 6-10 > - WR Tandon Doss, Indiana
78- St. Louis Rams < 7-9 > - RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
79- Miami Dolphins < 7-9 > - RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
80- Jacksonville Jaguars < 8-8 > - DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska
81- Oakland Raiders < 8-8 > - OG Orlando Franklin, Miami
82- San Diego Chargers < 9-7 > - OT Joseph Barksdale, LSU
83- New York Giants < 10-6 > - LB Mark Herzlich, Boston College
84- Tampa Bay Buccaneers < 10-6 > - FS Jaiquawn Jarrett, Temple
85- Philadelphia Eagles < 10-6 > - ILB Quan Sturdivant, UNC
86- Kansas City Chiefs < 10-6 > - NT Jerell Powe, Ole Miss
87- Indianapolis Colts < 10-6 > - OG DeMarcus Love, Arkansas
88- New Orleans Saints < 11-5 > -CB Chimid Chekwa, Ohio State
89- San Diego Chargers < via Sea > - TE DJ Williams, Arkansas
90- Baltimore Ravens < 11-5 > - OG Will Rackley, Lehigh
91- Atlanta Falcons < 13-3 > - WR Greg Little, UNC
92- New England Patriots < 14-2 > - CB Rashad Carmicheal, Virginia Tech
93- New York Jets < 11-5 > - OT James Brewer, Indiana
94- Chicago Bears < 11-5 > - WR Terrance Tolliver, LSU
95- Pittsburgh Steelers < 12-4 > - SS Ahmad Black, UF
96- Green Bay Packers < 10-6 > - WR Vincent Brown, San Diego State
97– Carolina Panthers <Comp Pick> – WR Austin Pettis, Boise State

4th ROUND
98- Carolina Panthers < 2-14 > -DE Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh
99- Seattle Seahawks < via 4-12 Den > - CB Brandon Hogan, West Virginia
100- Buffalo Bills < 4-12 > - ILB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU
101- Cincinnati Bengals < 4-12 > - OLB KJ Wright, Mississippi State
102- Cleveland Browns < 5-11 > - ILB Colin McCarthy, Miami
103- Arizona Cardinals < 5-11 > - RB Shane Vereen, Cal
104- Philadelphia Eagles < via 6-10 Was > - OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida
105- Houston Texans < 6-10 > - NT Sione Fua, Stanford
106- Minnesota Vikings < 6-10 > - FS Deunta Williams, UNC
107- Detroit Lions < 6-10 > - LB Mason Foster, Washington
108- San Francisco 49ers < 6-10 > - CB Jalil Brown, Colorado
109- Tennessee Titans < 6-10 > - QB Andy Dalton, TCU
110- Dallas Cowboys < 6-10 > - OC Kristopher O’Dowd, USC
111- Miami Dolphins < 7-9 > - WR Jeremy Kerley, TCU
112- St. Louis Rams < 7-9 > - OG Stephen Schilling, Michigan
113- Oakland Raiders < 8-8 > - CB Shareece Wright, USC
114- Jacksonville Jaguars < 8-8 > - SS Tyler Sash, Iowa
115- San Francisco 49ers < via 9-7 SD > - NT Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson
116- Tampa Bay Buccaneers < 10-6 > - TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
117- New York Giants < 10-6 > - RB Jordan Todman, UConn
118- Kansas City Chiefs < 10-6 > - RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State
119- Indianapolis Colts < 10-6 > - WR Cecil Shorts III, Mount Union
120- Philadelphia Eagles < 10-6 > - DE Ricky Elmore, Arizona
121- Jacksonville Jaguars < via 11-5 *NO > - QB Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
122- Buffalo Bills < via 7-9 *Sea > - TE Virgil Green, Nevada
123- Baltimore Ravens < 11-5 > - WR Dwayne Harris, ECU
124- Atlanta Falcons < 13-3 > OG John Moffitt, Wisconsin
125- New England Patriots < 14-2 > - WR Denarius Moore, Tennessee
126- New York Jets < 11-5 > - OLB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma
127- Chicago Bears < 11-5 > - ILB Nate Irving, NC State
128- Pittsburgh Steelers < 12-4 > - OT Derek Newton, Arkansas State
129- Green Bay Packers < 10-6 > - DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State
130- Tennessee Titans <Comp Pick> - DE Sam Acho, Texas
131- Green Bay Packers <Comp Pick> - CB Curtis Marsh, Utah St

[psubills62]

I'd be a fan of that draft.

[tatersalad]

Rather have Quinn

[bigbub2352]

no thanks to jordan we need pass rush i would rather see von miller than jordan or if dareous drops but i think jordan would be a reach from what i have read and seen from him at 3

[PTI]

Bills will be torn apart by every single person who has ever written one word about football and gets paid to do so if they do not take a QB in the first 3 rounds. Just won't happen my friend.

[alohabillsfan]

Bills will be torn apart by every single person who has ever written one word about football and gets paid to do so if they do not take a QB in the first 3 rounds. Just won't happen my friend.

If Buddy Nix is worried about what people write then we are screwed. I believe Polian has proven his point over Kiper.

[Ginger Vitis]

I give that mock a B+ for the Bills picks... I like Cameron Jordan but is a bit of a reach.. But very good value at the other 3 picks that targets positions of need

[DraftBoy]

I give that mock a B+ for the Bills picks... I like Cameron Jordan but is a bit of a reach.. But very good value at the other 3 picks that targets positions of need

We have 4 picks after Jordan, two come in Round 4.

[Ginger Vitis]

We have 4 picks after Jordan, two come in Round 4.

Oops missed the Virgil Green pick... Near the bottom 1/3 of the 4th Round is a great spot to get Green..

[DraftBoy]

Oops missed the Virgil Green pick... Near the bottom 1/3 of the 4th Round is a great spot to get Green..

Thanks! :up:

I actually like that pick a lot for us.

[EDS]

Solid effort.

I would love for Dareus to drop, but obviously see that as a longshot. Not sure Jordan is a great pick at 3, as guys like Wilkerson or Watt could just as easily be better. I actually would prefer Wilerson, but not at 3, clearly.

I definitely do not see Miami taking an OLB given that they have two good starters right now.

[PTI]

Thanks! :up:

I actually like that pick a lot for us.

I would rather just take Kyle Rudolph in round 2 and he can start at TE. Bills keep taking TE's in 3rd through 5th rounds and they all stink.

[DraftBoy]

I'd be a fan of that draft.

Me too!


Rather have Quinn


no thanks to jordan we need pass rush i would rather see von miller than jordan or if dareous drops but i think jordan would be a reach from what i have read and seen from him at 3
Dont worry its changing next week, that's gonna cause some discussion!


Bills will be torn apart by every single person who has ever written one word about football and gets paid to do so if they do not take a QB in the first 3 rounds. Just won't happen my friend.

Buddy Nix shouldnt give two craps about that and if he does then they can fire him and hire me because I sure as hell won't.

[PTI]

DB, you should worry about what the media says. Don't you want them to say nice things? i sure as heck do, that means you have done a good job most of the time.

[DraftBoy]

I would rather just take Kyle Rudolph in round 2 and he can start at TE. Bills keep taking TE's in 3rd through 5th rounds and they all stink.

I look at this way, get a potential franchise LT or a potential starting TE? Im always going LT.

[DraftBoy]

DB, you should worry about what the media says. Don't you want them to say nice things? i sure as heck do, that means you have done a good job most of the time.

I could care less what the media says, I know what I see and I know what I think based on my evaluations. Some fan/press hype isn't going to sway me.

Hence why Ive been saying since last year Locker and Mallett are not first round caliber prospects.

[Mahdi]

For a team picking so high I would be disappointed with this draft.

Cameron Jordan --> not a pass rusher, not a pass blocker, not a QB, not a playmaker. He should not go in the top 10 let alone top 3. Were not talking about Dareus or Suh or McCoy here and you have to be that if you are a DT going in the top 10. You can pick up Corey Liuget or Muhammad Wilkerson at 20 or 25 and get a player almost as good if not just as good as Cam Jordan.

Sherrod is pretty much Demetrius Bell right now. Natrual athlete who is best in pass blocking. Fits at LT not RT, so its a redundant pick to take Sherrod.

Dowling I like a lot because I think he is a first round talent and Sheppard fills a need.

[DraftBoy]

For a team picking so high I would be disappointed with this draft.

Cameron Jordan --> not a pass rusher, not a pass blocker, not a QB, not a playmaker. He should not go in the top 10 let alone top 3. Were not talking about Dareus or Suh or McCoy here and you have to be that if you are a DT going in the top 10. You can pick up Corey Liuget or Muhammad Wilkerson at 20 or 25 and get a player almost as good if not just as good as Cam Jordan.

Sherrod is pretty much Demetrius Bell right now. Natrual athlete who is best in pass blocking. Fits at LT not RT, so its a redundant pick to take Sherrod.
Dowling I like a lot because I think he is a first round talent and Sheppard fills a need.

Im sorry but you're out of your friggin mind if you think Sherrod is Bell right now. Sherrod is light years ahead of Bell, and yes I mean light years.

Its not even close based on film study. Stronger, Faster, More athletic, and a natural knee bender, not the waist bender Bell is at times.

[Mahdi]

Im sorry but you're out of your friggin mind if you think Sherrod is Bell right now. Sherrod is light years ahead of Bell, and yes I mean light years.

Its not even close based on film study. Stronger, Faster, More athletic, and a natural knee bender, not the waist bender Bell is at times.
Bell is a proven LT. Is he a proven star LT? No, but he is a proven starter. He had a strong year last year as a pass protector and is a natural athlete. And that was coming off injury.

This team needs a RT not a LT. Someone who can come in and give stability on the right side with decent pass blocking and some serious run blocking ability.

Sherrod is more highly touted than Bell was coming out but in terms of where they are now, I stick with Bell and address another need out of the 12 other needs we have.

[Buddo]

I could care less what the media says, I know what I see and I know what I think based on my evaluations. Some fan/press hype isn't going to sway me.

Hence why Ive been saying since last year Locker and Mallett are not first round caliber prospects.

In reference to the comment earlier about Nix, I'm pretty certain that that is his approach also (so you won't be getting any calls for his job anytime soon btw.) ;)

[Dr. Lecter]

Bell is a proven LT. Is he a proven star LT? No, but he is a proven starter. He had a strong year last year as a pass protector and is a natural athlete. And that was coming off injury.


He is not a proven starter. Not at all.

[Mahdi]

He is not a proven starter. Not at all.
Explain... How is he not a proven starter? I remember him shutting down his side of the line against James Harrison last year, I remember him, shutting down Banta-Cain, he also held Cameron Wake to zero sacks in week 16 when the guy was destroying everyone.

Bell was an established starter last year and performed against the top pass rushers in the NFL.

Your assessment that he is not a proven starter is baseless.

And as I have mentioned before, this was an offense that was running a spread most of the time and single back sets with no help for the LT.

[psubills62]

He is not a proven starter. Not at all.
Of course he's a proven starter. I can prove he was a starter:

http://www.nfl.com/players/demetriusbell/profile?id=BEL269922

Done.

[Dr. Lecter]

Explain... How is he not a proven starter? I remember him shutting down his side of the line against James Harrison last year, I remember him, shutting down Banta-Cain, he also held Cameron Wake to zero sacks in week 16 when the guy was destroying everyone.

Bell was an established starter last year and performed against the top pass rushers in the NFL.

Your assessment that he is not a proven starter is baseless.
His run blocking was atrocious.That is not baseless.

An established starter can run and pass block. I think he can be a good starter. But is not yet established.

[Mahdi]

His run blocking was atrocious.That is not baseless.

An established starter can run and pass block. I think he can be a good starter. But is not yet established.
Yeah I agree he has a ton of work to do in the run blocking department but there are a lot of LTs that are not great run blockers which is why many teams are right handed as they say and run right a lot more than left.

You have to take into account that he didn't get to do a lot of strengthening in the offseason because of the knee and was rehabing instead.

I think there will be a huge improvement in his game going into this season.

[Raptor]

Id take it

[ServoBillieves]

DB, I'm not gonna tell you I know anything about Virgil Green, so how bout a little more info? Is he a pass catching type? More of a blocker at the position that Gailey likes to utilize, or is he the Schouman jack-of-most-trades guy?

[justasportsfan]

I think there will be a huge improvement in his game going into this season.
If the bills do draft Sherrod then you know what they think of Bell.

[DrGraves]

i'd hate this draft

[justasportsfan]

DB, I'm not gonna tell you I know anything about Virgil Green, so how bout a little more info? Is he a pass catching type? More of a blocker at the position that Gailey likes to utilize, or is he the Schouman jack-of-most-trades guy?
if he's nothing more than a blocker, bills will most likely pass. They already grabbed one from Dallas.

[Bangarang]

If the bills do draft Sherrod then you know what they think of Bell.

Doesn't Sherrod project to be either LT or RT? We could use a RT, that's for sure.

[DraftBoy]

Yeah I agree he has a ton of work to do in the run blocking department but there are a lot of LTs that are not great run blockers which is why many teams are right handed as they say and run right a lot more than left.

You have to take into account that he didn't get to do a lot of strengthening in the offseason because of the knee and was rehabing instead.

I think there will be a huge improvement in his game going into this season.

You know who is a terrific run blocker? Sherrod.

He's also mean, nasty, and finishes his blocks. Another place Bell struggles.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Hate the Dowling pick in the 3rd ( I think we'd go Kaepernick or Dalton there), otherwise I like it. Though I dont think we take Jordan that early.

[DraftBoy]

DB, I'm not gonna tell you I know anything about Virgil Green, so how bout a little more info? Is he a pass catching type? More of a blocker at the position that Gailey likes to utilize, or is he the Schouman jack-of-most-trades guy?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/virgil-green?id=2495288

6'3, 249lbs.

Career Numbers: 53 Catches, 911 Yards, 11 TD's
2010 Numbers: 35 Catches, 515 Yards, 5 TD

Combine Results;
33.5" Arms
9.25" Hands
4.69 40
23 Reps at 225
42.5" Vertical
10'10" Broad Jump
4.4 SS
11.63 60 Yard Shuttle
6.9 3 Cone Drill

From the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl;
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Green had 4 catches for 62 yards in the game.

[DraftBoy]

Doesn't Sherrod project to be either LT or RT? We could use a RT, that's for sure.

He does project to either.

[DraftBoy]

Hate the Dowling pick in the 3rd ( I think we'd go Kaepernick or Dalton there), otherwise I like it. Though I dont think we take Jordan that early.

Why? We clearly need a CB and Dowling has 1st Round type talent.

[Bangarang]

Why? We clearly need a CB and Dowling has 1st Round type talent.

Would you say that Dowling's biggest problem would be staying healthy? It doesn't help us much if he can't stay on the field for a full season.

[Night Train]

Good job ,DB. I might go SS in Round 3 since we may need a starter there but the thinking is spot on.

As I mentioned long ago, Jordan is the next best thing after Dareus with his ability to play either DE and kick inside to DT on 3rd down. The film showed his rare ability and he was the star of Senior Bowl week by a mile, where no double team could block him.

Need the big OT and Sherrod is a good one on either side. Been a big fan of Sheppard all along at ILB.

Still think the Bills will get a phone call at #3 and should accept any trade down offer that could net them a 2nd,3rd & a 5th/6th for moving back. Takes a lot to equal 2200 value points, which Pick #3 is worth.

Hoping Gailey can teach Buddy that whole cell phone thingy...

[Novacane]

I like Jordan. Hope they can move down a few picks to get him.

[dasaybz]

No way Von Miller slips that far.

[DraftBoy]

Would you say that Dowling's biggest problem would be staying healthy? It doesn't help us much if he can't stay on the field for a full season.

I would but not playing both ways will help some.

[Buffalo Thriller]

No NO NO to Cam Jordan at 3

[justasportsfan]

I think CamJOr is a reach at 3 but I wouldn't be surprised if teams start reaching because of the lack of FA'cy.

[tampabay25690]

I can't say I would be upset with this draft.....

[tcb5033]

I'm not a fan of this draft at all. Jordan at 3 is way too high, if he is our first option we could easily trade down and take him later.

But for other argument, do you really think Dontay Moch is a 2nd rounder? I've been interested in him just based on his freak athletic abilities (dude runs a 4.2 for Christ's sake) but I don't think he projects as early as the 2nd. He could be a great pick later though. And is DeAndre McDaniel typically projected as a 3rd rounder? I've seen him play and I think he's got a lot of talent but I haven't seen many mocks with him in it.

[Buffalo Thriller]

Hit the position needs, just not the rounds I want some of these guys in. Cam Jordan at 3 would make me sick.

[Extremebillsfan247]

The only way I see Cam Jordan in a Bills uniform in 2011 is if we trade out of #3. If we go defense at 3, and Dareus is off the board, it will be Von Miller. I don't see you adding additional picks for the Bills in this mock which suggests you think they will reach for Jordan, and I don't think that is possible picking 3rd overall. JMO

[CleveSteve]

Overall I like this draft for both the Bills and my Brownies. I'd be really pumped if Kerrigan were available for Cleveland in the 2nd. Personally at CB I like Curtis Brown (great ball skills) better than Patrick, but that's picking nits. Also I think I'd rather take Carpenter as RT (and backup LT) in the 3rd, or Allen Bailey just b/c we need so many linemen. McCarthy would be a great pickup for us in the 4th.

Personally, I like Watt better than Jordan. He's the same size as Jordan but stronger. He showed tremendous athleticism at the combine. He dominated Wisconsin's toughest opponents (OSU and TCU.) Jordan is a nice player, though. I love the Sherrod pick in the 2nd. Great player that can man either side.

[NOSaints213]

Thought I'd give a little perspective from the Saints' point of view.

I like Ingram, but I'm not sure about his health. We had 5 RBs end up on the IR last year, and both Reggie and J. Jones got hurt in the playoff game against Seattle, so I don't know... I love Austin in the 2nd, but there is a very slim chance he falls that far - he is a 1st round talent for sure and will likely go in the early-mid 2nd. I am intrigued by Bailey, but he is not as much of a football player as he is a workout warrior. Our DC Greg Williams has said time and time again that he wants football players and not just athletes, so I can see us leaning away from a guy like him. Also, there is no way we go with Chekwa - especially in the late 3rd. We are stacked at CB with Greer, Porter, and last year's 1st round pick Patrick Robinson. We also have our FS Malcolm Jenkins slide into the nickel slot on passing downs, so the only way we grab another CB is if there is tremendous value there, and Checkwa does not fit the bill at that spot.

Here is how I would go with my quick mock for the Saints based on your predictions:

1 - DE Ryan Kerrigan (man, you are WAY undervaluing him - he is predicted as high as top 15)
2 - DT Marvin Austin
3a - RB Kendall Hunter (he visited the Saints facility already)
3b - SLB Kelvin Sheppard (we were the 1st team to talk to Sheppard at his proday, and we have a huge need for a SLB - he fits the bill)

Hope this helps!

[DraftBoy]

Overall I like this draft for both the Bills and my Brownies. I'd be really pumped if Kerrigan were available for Cleveland in the 2nd. Personally at CB I like Curtis Brown (great ball skills) better than Patrick, but that's picking nits. Also I think I'd rather take Carpenter as RT (and backup LT) in the 3rd, or Allen Bailey just b/c we need so many linemen. McCarthy would be a great pickup for us in the 4th.

Personally, I like Watt better than Jordan. He's the same size as Jordan but stronger. He showed tremendous athleticism at the combine. He dominated Wisconsin's toughest opponents (OSU and TCU.) Jordan is a nice player, though. I love the Sherrod pick in the 2nd. Great player that can man either side.

I see people say that a lot about the Watt v. Jordan debate and my only thing is that I feel like a lot of people are basing it off of numbers and workouts rather than tape. The reason I rank Jordan higher is because he has extensive experience in the 3-4 front (which as far as we all know is still our base set) and really has never been known as a workout warrior. Im actually surprised he tested as well as he did. When I watch the two guys play I see more technical skills from Jordan who knows how to extend his arms and keep OT's off of him than I see from Watt who is more all effort.

I think Watt has more to learn in terms of how to play with leverage and control the POA while Jordan is already skilled in those arenas. I want to see Jordan give more of the effort you see from Watt in backside pursuit. That's not to say Jordan doesn't give any, because he does but its not the same as Watt.

Two very good prospects, two different prospects as well.

[DraftBoy]

Thought I'd give a little perspective from the Saints' point of view.

I like Ingram, but I'm not sure about his health. We had 5 RBs end up on the IR last year, and both Reggie and J. Jones got hurt in the playoff game against Seattle, so I don't know... I love Austin in the 2nd, but there is a very slim chance he falls that far - he is a 1st round talent for sure and will likely go in the early-mid 2nd. I am intrigued by Bailey, but he is not as much of a football player as he is a workout warrior. Our DC Greg Williams has said time and time again that he wants football players and not just athletes, so I can see us leaning away from a guy like him. Also, there is no way we go with Chekwa - especially in the late 3rd. We are stacked at CB with Greer, Porter, and last year's 1st round pick Patrick Robinson. We also have our FS Malcolm Jenkins slide into the nickel slot on passing downs, so the only way we grab another CB is if there is tremendous value there, and Checkwa does not fit the bill at that spot.

Here is how I would go with my quick mock for the Saints based on your predictions:

1 - DE Ryan Kerrigan (man, you are WAY undervaluing him - he is predicted as high as top 15)
2 - DT Marvin Austin
3a - RB Kendall Hunter (he visited the Saints facility already)
3b - SLB Kelvin Sheppard (we were the 1st team to talk to Sheppard at his proday, and we have a huge need for a SLB - he fits the bill)

Hope this helps!\

Always appreciate another fans point of view!

I understand the concern over Ingram but if he is spelled correctly (which he should be in NO) then he should be fine injury wise. He's a bruising back that you guys can use and he is a good blocker as well.

On the Checkwa pick, you finished dead last in the NFL last year in terms of INT's with only 9. He adds size to your CB ranks that you currently lack and has very good hips to go with his sub 4.4 speed. I understand the comment that you have Porter, Greer, and others but at some point if they aren't producing why not try and infuse a different type of player to the position at a low cost?

On Bailey I agree more athlete, less football player but with Gregg Williams all over him I think he can mold him. Allen Bailey should of been a double digit sack guy at Miami with ease. Its a failure of the Miami coaching staff and of Bailey for that not happening. He is a complacent player but he also has never been challenged by his coaches either. That would change under Williams.

[k-oneputt]

I'm not a fan of this draft at all. Jordan at 3 is way too high, if he is our first option we could easily trade down and take him later.

But for other argument, do you really think Dontay Moch is a 2nd rounder? I've been interested in him just based on his freak athletic abilities (dude runs a 4.2 for Christ's sake) but I don't think he projects as early as the 2nd. He could be a great pick later though. And is DeAndre McDaniel typically projected as a 3rd rounder? I've seen him play and I think he's got a lot of talent but I haven't seen many mocks with him in it.

Moch doesn't run a 4.2, just like Quinn runs a 4.4

Quinn actually ran 4.57, what did Moch really run ?

[k-oneputt]

Count me in as pissed if we take Jordan at #3. Will be another stupid pick when you can get a pass rusher at #3., but I've come to expect stupidity with the Bills.
Can't see Baldwin to Jax at #16.
Locker will go in the 1st rd. As much as you will hate it.
Finally realize Hankerson is going before Jernigan I see.
Little high for K. Ellis and N. Paul.
Little low for C. Brown and R. Cobb.
A. Black in the 3rd ????? You told me last week you wouldn't take him for the Bills in the 7th........?????

[DraftBoy]

Count me in as pissed if we take Jordan at #3. Will be another stupid pick when you can get a pass rusher at #3., but I've come to expect stupidity with the Bills.
Can't see Baldwin to Jax at #16.
Locker will go in the 1st rd. As much as you will hate it.
Finally realize Hankerson is going before Jernigan I see.
Little high for K. Ellis and N. Paul.
Little low for C. Brown and R. Cobb.
A. Black in the 3rd ????? You told me last week you wouldn't take him for the Bills in the 7th........?????

I already had you counted in.

We'll see about Locker, just as we saw last year about Clausen.

Ive had Hankerson ahead of Jernigan the whole time and always as a 1st Rounder.

Maybe but Im hearing lots of love for Ellis right now.

Cobb is rising, Brown however is not.

Have you looked at how bad this S class is? I still wouldnt touch Black with a 10 foot pole but for some teams who have massive holes as S, he is an unfortunate pick for them.

[Nighthawk]

I'd hate the Jordan pick...you just don't pick a 3-4 DE that high, not saying he isn't going to be good, but way too high for him.

[JCBills]

I already had you counted in.

We'll see about Locker, just as we saw last year about Clausen.

Ive had Hankerson ahead of Jernigan the whole time and always as a 1st Rounder.

Maybe but Im hearing lots of love for Ellis right now.

Cobb is rising, Brown however is not.

Have you looked at how bad this S class is? I still wouldnt touch Black with a 10 foot pole but for some teams who have massive holes as S, he is an unfortunate pick for them.

Yeah, rough class for safety, though I think there might be one or two mid-late round guys worth a look as depth or developmental prospects.

I like this mock. Jordan is a good consolation prize with Dareus gone, though I would consider Quinn with the dropoff in OLB talent after the first few prospects, but I'm still very iffy on him, too many questions.

[NOSaints213]

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Always appreciate another fans point of view!

I understand the concern over Ingram but if he is spelled correctly (which he should be in NO) then he should be fine injury wise. He's a bruising back that you guys can use and he is a good blocker as well.

On the Checkwa pick, you finished dead last in the NFL last year in terms of INT's with only 9. He adds size to your CB ranks that you currently lack and has very good hips to go with his sub 4.4 speed. I understand the comment that you have Porter, Greer, and others but at some point if they aren't producing why not try and infuse a different type of player to the position at a low cost?

On Bailey I agree more athlete, less football player but with Gregg Williams all over him I think he can mold him. Allen Bailey should of been a double digit sack guy at Miami with ease. Its a failure of the Miami coaching staff and of Bailey for that not happening. He is a complacent player but he also has never been challenged by his coaches either. That would change under Williams.
I commend you for doing your homework. The problem is that the stats don't tell the whole story. 2 years ago we led the league in interceptions with the same backfield minue Patrick Robinson. It isn't the secondary's fault that they aren't creating turnovers. The problem lies in that we have no pass rushers on the team. Our leading sack man was DT Sed Ellis with 5.... that is sad. If the choice in the late 3rd was between a subpar CB (this CB class is very poor) and a very good talent like Sheppard, my money is on Sheppard every time.

Like I said, GW loves football players, and Sheppard has great instincts for the position. Combine that with our extreme need for a SLB, and I think KS has to be the pick there. I know, however, that you wanted him to drop to the Bills, and that is likely why we passed on him ;).

[k-oneputt]

We don't have any pass rushers on our team either.

The Bills like to take d-backs with their #1 picks but are still fiquring it out that it's about the pass rush.
Thus watch #3 this year, it could be another of their classic "we are smarter then you picks".

[CleveSteve]

I see people say that a lot about the Watt v. Jordan debate and my only thing is that I feel like a lot of people are basing it off of numbers and workouts rather than tape. The reason I rank Jordan higher is because he has extensive experience in the 3-4 front (which as far as we all know is still our base set) and really has never been known as a workout warrior. Im actually surprised he tested as well as he did. When I watch the two guys play I see more technical skills from Jordan who knows how to extend his arms and keep OT's off of him than I see from Watt who is more all effort.

I think Watt has more to learn in terms of how to play with leverage and control the POA while Jordan is already skilled in those arenas. I want to see Jordan give more of the effort you see from Watt in backside pursuit. That's not to say Jordan doesn't give any, because he does but its not the same as Watt.

Two very good prospects, two different prospects as well.

Watching OSU v. Wisconsin this year I just kept thinking to myself "How is this guy not a first round pick?" He DOMINATED that game. Nothing to do with workouts. His performance against TCU just reinforced that.

I can see what you're saying in that he's a little more aggressive sometimes than you might like in a 3-4 at end, but that was his role at Wisconsin. You do bring up a good and often overlooked point that in Jordan there's not the same projection required that most college players need going into a 3-4 system since he played in one at Cal. Both should be good players as 5-techs.

BTW, Dontay Moch is the most overhyped player in the draft. He's awful. I watched a little less than half their games this year after hearing all the whispers about his speed over last summer but he's really not a good football player.

[k-oneputt]

When you play in the WAC your skill level gets overrated.
Moch wasn't exactly battling college football's elite week in and out.
Not very big either.

[justasportsfan]

2 years ago we led the league in interceptions with the same backfield minue Patrick Robinson. It isn't the secondary's fault that they aren't creating turnovers. The problem lies in that we have no pass rushers on the team. Our leading sack man was DT Sed Ellis with 5.... that is sad.

this is why I'd rather take a Dareus over a Peterson if they are both available.

[tcb5033]

Moch doesn't run a 4.2, just like Quinn runs a 4.4

Quinn actually ran 4.57, what did Moch really run ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dontay_Moch

If you can't trust wiki, who can you trust?!

Maybe its not really a 4.2, but he's still incredibly athletic.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75935&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB