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DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:02 AM

Just a 1st Round this week, busy with work and finishing up my final Big Board and Positional Rankings so a longer mock is on hold for now.

1 CAR-QB Cam Newtonr
2 DEN-OLB Von Miller
3. BUF-DT Marcel Dareus
4 CIN-WR AJ Green
5 ARZ-QB Blaine Gabbert
6 CLE-WR Julio Jones
7 SF-CB Patrick Peterson
8 TEN-DT Nick Fairley
9 DAL-OT Tyron Smith
10 WAS-OLB Robert Quinn
11 HOU-DE Cam Jordan
12 MIN-DT Muhammad Wilkerson
13 DET-CB Prince Amukamara
14 STL-DE Aldon Smith
15 MIA-OG Mike Pouncey
16 JAX-DE Da'Quan Bowers
17 NE-DE JJ Watt
18 SD-DE Corey Liuget
19 NYG-OT Nate Solder
20 TB-DE Ryan Kerrigan
21 Kansas City-LB Martez Wilson
22 IND-OT Gabe Carmini
23 PHI-CB Jimmy Smith
24 NO-DE Justin Houston
25 SEA-WR Leonard Hankerson
26 BAL-CB Bradon Harris
27 ATL-TE Kyle Rudolph
28 NE-OLB Brooks Reed
29 NYJ-DE Adrian Clayborn
30 CHI-WR Torrey Smith
31 PIT-OT Derek Sherrod
32 GB-LB Akeem Ayers

TigerJ

04-13-2011, 11:11 AM

superbills

04-13-2011, 11:13 AM

If it falls this way and the Bills get Dareus I'm sure I won't be the only one doing a silly happy dance

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:15 AM

As I'm sure you're aware, a lot of mocks have your choices for picks two and three reversed. Why do you think you're right and they're wrong? I'm not challenging you. I'm just curious about your reasoning.

As you know John Fox (Denver's HC) is a defensive minded guy, so naturally defense is going to be his selection but when you look at his first round picks while in Carolina;

2002-DE Peppers
2003-OT Gross
2004-CB Gamble
2005-LB Davis
2006-RB Williams
2007-LB Beason
2008-RB Stewart
2009-No 1st Rounder
2010-No 1st Rounder

What do you see as the trend? He goes after athletic prospects who can make impacts all over the field. Does Dareus fit that mold? Not really, but who does? Von Miller is a perfect fit for what Fox likes to do with his defenses. Multiple looks, formations, and variances. I think (and Ive heard) Denver really likes Dareus a lot but they LOVE Von Miller.

Night Train

04-13-2011, 11:17 AM

As you know John Fox (Denver's HC) is a defensive minded guy, so naturally defense is going to be his selection but when you look at his first round picks while in Carolina;

2002-DE Peppers
2003-OT Gross
2004-CB Gamble
2005-LB Davis
2006-RB Williams
2007-LB Beason
2008-RB Stewart
2009-No 1st Rounder
2010-No 1st Rounder

What do you see as the trend? He goes after athletic prospects who can make impacts all over the field. Does Dareus fit that mold? Not really, but who does? Von Miller is a perfect fit for what Fox likes to do with his defenses. Multiple looks, formations, and variances. I think (and Ive heard) Denver really likes Dareus a lot but they LOVE Von Miller.

Very cool.

clumping platelets

04-13-2011, 11:31 AM

Miller, Dareus or trade down

tampabay25690

04-13-2011, 11:32 AM

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:32 AM

Very cool.

Dont forget though, Im just some hack who lives in my Mom's basement who doesnt know anything and just makes stuff up.

tampabay25690

04-13-2011, 11:33 AM

Dont forget though, Im just some hack who lives in my Mom's basement who doesnt know anything and just makes stuff up.

Makes 2 of us

superbills

04-13-2011, 11:37 AM

But you're our FAVORITE hack who lives in his Mom's basement who doesn't know anything and just makes stuff up.

:up:

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:41 AM

But you're our FAVORITE hack who lives in his Mom's basement who doesn't know anything and just makes stuff up.

:up:

I appreciate the support!

EDS

04-13-2011, 11:55 AM

What has changed that makes Costanzo drop out of round 1?

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:57 AM

What has changed that makes Costanzo drop out of round 1?

I have Sherrod over him, hence he goes to PIT at 30, and Castonzo to Round 2.

justasportsfan

04-13-2011, 11:58 AM

But you're our FAVORITE hack who lives in his Mom's basement who doesn't know anything and just makes stuff up.

:up:

I still think delappelle is better.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 11:59 AM

I still think delappelle is better.

Hater.

http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com/uploads/images/article-images/stop_hate1.gif

tampabay25690

04-13-2011, 11:59 AM

I still think delappelle is better.

LOL

YardRat

04-13-2011, 12:04 PM

I don't think Newton is going to Carolina at #1...if they take Dareus and Denver follows with Miller I'm going to extremely disappointed.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 12:10 PM

I don't think Newton is going to Carolina at #1...if they take Dareus and Denver follows with Miller I'm going to extremely disappointed.

Im telling you right now, unless something drastic happens, he's going #1.

04-13-2011, 12:12 PM

I heard John Fox on the radio here in Denver a few weeks ago talking really highly about Von Miller and the different ways you can use him. A lot of the local guys seems high on Miller too and think he's definitely in play with the #2 pick so it wouldn't be surprising to me if he ends up a Bronco. I would probably still put my money on Dareus, but who knows.

I really hope things fall this way as I would love to see the Bills get Dareus.

WeAreArthurMoates

04-13-2011, 12:15 PM

DB if this happends I think I will actually cry at the bar in excitement. Guarenteed that pick goes up faster than Spillers.

WeAreArthurMoates

04-13-2011, 12:18 PM

I have to say, if we get Dareus 1 and Costanzo two, like your Mock says, for the first time in 20 years I can truly say we can actually win the game in the trenches. Take Dalton, Stanzi or Kaepernick in the 3rd and I call that a fantastic draft.

YardRat

04-13-2011, 12:24 PM

Im telling you right now, unless something drastic happens, he's going #1.

Define drastic.

I'm telling you, it's a smokescreen. If he goes #1 overall, it won't be to the Panthers.

04-13-2011, 12:24 PM

I could see Dareus being available at #3, the camera pans to Dareus who is on his cell phone, Bills fans start getting super excited, and then it's announced that the Bills have traded the #3 pick.

Mindbender

04-13-2011, 12:26 PM

I would be so happy.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 01:23 PM

Define drastic.

I'm telling you, it's a smokescreen. If he goes #1 overall, it won't be to the Panthers.

:whistle:

Michael82

04-13-2011, 02:08 PM

If it works out this way, I will shocked, but very happy.

Mr. Miyagi

04-13-2011, 02:23 PM

22 IND-OT Gabe Carmini

Are you projecting yourself to be my little *****?

Mr. Miyagi

04-13-2011, 02:26 PM

But you're our FAVORITE hack who lives in his Mom's basement who doesn't know anything and just makes stuff up.

:up:
Second favorite.

Coach Sal is my first.

justasportsfan

04-13-2011, 02:28 PM

Andre' Reed is announcing this years first pick.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 03:26 PM

Are you projecting yourself to be my little *****?

Looks that way. Indy could go a million different directions with that pick though.

Mindbender

04-13-2011, 03:30 PM

Andre' Reed is announcing this years first pick.

I believe in an updated tweet he said he was wrong. He's announcing the Bills' 2nd pick.

k-oneputt

04-13-2011, 04:11 PM

what happened to Jon Baldwin ?

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 04:46 PM

what happened to Jon Baldwin ?

He traveled to the edge of the earth and discovered it was indeed flat.

X-Era

04-13-2011, 04:47 PM

He traveled to the edge of the earth and discovered it was indeed flat.My guess is 3rd to 5th round, maybe even lower. Just not a big fan.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 05:01 PM

My guess is 3rd to 5th round, maybe even lower. Just not a big fan.

Nope, he's a 1st Round talent who will slide some due to character concerns.

X-Era

04-13-2011, 05:05 PM

Nope, he's a 1st Round talent who will slide some due to character concerns.So 2nd? I could see late 2nd, but I think it will be round 3 at best.

DraftBoy

04-13-2011, 05:12 PM

So 2nd? I could see late 2nd, but I think it will be round 3 at best.

He could go late 1st-mid 2nd, he isnt falling that far. Not with his size and speed. He's one of the best WR's in this draft.

X-Era

04-13-2011, 05:28 PM

He could go late 1st-mid 2nd, he isnt falling that far. Not with his size and speed. He's one of the best WR's in this draft.Yeah but with the reported attitude problems and charges against him, a team may not want to look at his as their immediate answer at WR. I would see them wanting to pencil him in as the #2 and seeing how he handles the game. He has the talent, but a team late in the 1st would be spending their top pick on a guy who could end up being a distraction and character problem. Maybe a team like NE with multiple picks... they have a bit of a need.

Saratoga Slim

04-13-2011, 06:08 PM

I have Sherrod over him, hence he goes to PIT at 30, and Castonzo to Round 2.

If we got Dareus in Round 1, Costanzo in Round 2, that would be the best 1-2 combo since I can remember.

Costanzo is going to be a very solid RT. He's a smart, smart dude. Kirwin/Ryan absolutely love the guy. He was on today and sounded like a coach.

X-Era

04-13-2011, 06:27 PM

If we got Dareus in Round 1, Costanzo in Round 2, that would be the best 1-2 combo since I can remember.

Costanzo is going to be a very solid RT. He's a smart, smart dude. Kirwin/Ryan absolutely love the guy. He was on today and sounded like a coach.I really don't see him dropping to round 2. He's got too much to offer as a potential LT and is in consideration for the top OT taken with Tyron Smith, IMO. I think were looking at someone like Derek Sherrod in round 2 with a slim chance at Gabe Carimi (very unlikely).

k-oneputt

04-13-2011, 07:46 PM

He traveled to the edge of the earth and discovered it was indeed flat.

or you fiqured out Baldwin to Jax in the 1st was talking out of your ***.

YardRat

04-13-2011, 09:41 PM

Yeah but with the reported attitude problems and charges against him, a team may not want to look at his as their immediate answer at WR. I would see them wanting to pencil him in as the #2 and seeing how he handles the game. He has the talent, but a team late in the 1st would be spending their top pick on a guy who could end up being a distraction and character problem. Maybe a team like NE with multiple picks... they have a bit of a need.

But if you're a QB named Newton, it's worth the risk. Right?

Mahdi

04-13-2011, 10:17 PM

Don't see Denver taking Miller and passing on Dareus.

1. Dareus is the better fit in a 4-3

2. They already have a smallish pass rusher in Dumervil

X-Era

04-14-2011, 06:01 AM

But if you're a QB named Newton, it's worth the risk. Right?Newton doesn't seem like he will be a problem, this guy has much more substantial red flags... but who knows. To say it another way, a team that drafts Newton will be convinced he won't be a problem or that it's unlikely. they won't draft a guy that high if they aren't convinced. A team could draft Baldwin realizing that it's much more likely that he will have problems, hence why he will slip.

X-Era

04-14-2011, 06:02 AM

Don't see Denver taking Miller and passing on Dareus.

1. Dareus is the better fit in a 4-3

2. They already have a smallish pass rusher in DumervilIf they take Dareus our chance of drafting a QB goes way up IMO.

DraftBoy

04-14-2011, 07:20 AM

or you fiqured out Baldwin to Jax in the 1st was talking out of your ***.

Nope not that either.

DraftBoy

04-14-2011, 07:23 AM

Some of you need to realize that simply because I mock something doesnt necessairly mean I think its going to happen. As I explained last year its meant to show new scenarios based on new rumors/thoughts and some things that I truly believe could happen. Its meant to further thoughts and discussions because too often people on this board get player or position centric, where only that player/position will do no matter what.

The only mock I do for accuracy is the one the morning of the first round, other than that its just a mental excercise.

There are a few parts of this mock that I feel very strongly about and few that I have no idea about, and others that Im purposely dropping or raising a player just to see if people notice/say anything.

Lone Stranger

04-14-2011, 08:17 AM

I'd be very happy with your selection.

jamze132

04-14-2011, 08:46 AM

I don't think Mark Ingram makes it out of the first round, and I don't live in my basement.

DraftBoy

04-14-2011, 09:37 AM

I don't think Mark Ingram makes it out of the first round, and I don't live in my basement.
Concers are emerging about his knee.

jamze132

04-15-2011, 12:09 PM

Concers are emerging about his knee.
Concerns.

DraftBoy

04-15-2011, 02:35 PM

Concerns.

Not down here.

Eventually

04-15-2011, 03:46 PM

I would love it if things fell this way.

1st. Dareus, Miller, Peterson are the 3 guys I want for the first pick, in that order too.

2 You have locker, Mallett, Dalton, Ponder Costanzo and Can't remember maybe rudolph still there too. Great selection for only 1 pick to go before we pick.

If this came to be, I'd seriously try a trade back a few spots, if no takers I'd go locker or mallett though, although a real TE or Costanzo would be really tempting