The more I think about it

[soapman]

I know ANOTHER Cam Newton thread but I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be nice to have a mobile quarterback again. Mobile in the true sense in the way Doug Flutie was when he lit it up here for a year or so. Cam is as great a risk as any other pick we've had in the last 10 years. 6'6, 250lbs, a rocket on his shoulder, and instincts that rival Mike Vick. If Chan can control him and teach him the thinking part of the game, he can be a great quarterback. I think it's worth the risk. Problem is, Carolina has it figured out and he will bomb in Carolina because he needs the kind of coach that can TEACH him. Like a Chan Gailey or a Andy Reid or John Gruden type.

[jimbledsoe]

I know ANOTHER Cam Newton thread but I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be nice to have a mobile quarterback again. Mobile in the true sense in the way Doug Flutie was when he lit it up here for a year or so. Cam is as great a risk as any other pick we've had in the last 10 years. 6'6, 250lbs, a rocket on his shoulder, and instincts that rival Mike Vick. If Chan can control him and teach him the thinking part of the game, he can be a great quarterback. I think it's worth the risk. Problem is, Carolina has it figured out and he will bomb in Carolina because he needs the kind of coach that can TEACH him. Like a Chan Gailey or a Andy Reid or John Gruden type.

I was having this same thought today. I am warming up to the idea of a QB at 3. Cam seems to have the biggest risk, but I think also has the most upside. Could you imagine all that talent and athletic ability running an offense the way Chan wants him to. It could end up being the best move the Bills ever made, or it could be a bust. I am warming up to the idea of taking the risk if he is there.

Go Bills!!!

[mrbojanglezs]

Im OK with cam for only two reasons chan gailey and ryan fitzpatrick. I think the situation is absolutely perfect here fro Cam to develop under fitz and chan. His best chance to flourish is here. If I was him I would much rather come to the bills than carolina

[Prov401]

If Cam falls to us at 3, I think the Bills will seriously consider taking him. And I think he has potential, but he's too risky for me at this point. I want a sure thing with our 3rd pick.

The Panthers are taking him anyway.

[mrbojanglezs]

If Cam falls to us at 3, I think the Bills will seriously consider taking him. And I think he has potential, but he's too risky for me at this point. I want a sure thing with our 3rd pick.

The Panthers are taking him anyway.


I have heard a couple times that Carolina has been dishing out to the media a love fest for Cam to try to get the bills to bite to trade up, who knows how true that is

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I'd be pleased with Cam and Heyward. At 3 and 34

[psubills62]

He's going #1 overall.

[tampabay25690]

He's going #1 overall.

Thats the way it looks..........
IF he is still there DENVER'S phone will be ringing...

[BertSquirtgum]

the more i think about it, the more i consider ways to commit suicide, hearing the name cam newton being called for buffalo's pick.. **** that

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

The more I read about it, the more I think some of you are crazy.

[T-Long]

I've been on the Newton train for months now. If he is there at 3, there is no way the Bills pass on him IMO. Problem is, he is either going to go #1 or someone is going to trade ahead of Buffalo with Denver at 2 and take him there. It's funny when people say how bad he is going to be, but yet he PROBABLY is going #1 overall and at worst #2.

[Novacane]

I think Carolina is taking him too but I would sort of like for Cam to be there at #3. It would be funny just to see how crazy a lot of you go when the Bills pick someone else . I don't believe the Bills are sold on him as a Franchise QB.

[better days]

I've been on the Newton train for months now. If he is there at 3, there is no way the Bills pass on him IMO. Problem is, he is either going to go #1 or someone is going to trade ahead of Buffalo with Denver at 2 and take him there. It's funny when people say how bad he is going to be, but yet he PROBABLY is going #1 overall and at worst #2.

I hope you are correct & Newton goes #1 or 2. If so, he will not be the 1st QB that was overdrafted nor the last. He can join the long list of failed QB's in the NFL in that category.

[YardRat]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Newton isn't going to help this team stop opponents from rushing for 200 yards and racking up 30 pts on a weekly basis.

[SquishDaFish]

This is the first year in a LONG time that I dont have 1 guy pegged that I really want. I would be happy with Cam, Gabbart, Peterson, Dareus, Fairley or Miller

[JCBills]

I know ANOTHER Cam Newton thread but I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be nice to have a mobile quarterback again. Mobile in the true sense in the way Doug Flutie was when he lit it up here for a year or so. Cam is as great a risk as any other pick we've had in the last 10 years. 6'6, 250lbs, a rocket on his shoulder, and instincts that rival Mike Vick. If Chan can control him and teach him the thinking part of the game, he can be a great quarterback. I think it's worth the risk. Problem is, Carolina has it figured out and he will bomb in Carolina because he needs the kind of coach that can TEACH him. Like a Chan Gailey or a Andy Reid or John Gruden type.

What?

Vick became 1000x better when he stopped listening to the little voice in his head that screamed "RUN" every time his first read was covered.

It is never good to have an "if" in the mental column when it comes to the #3 pick.

[ddaryl]

the more I think it would be nice to have a mobile quarterback again. Mobile in the true sense in the way Doug Flutie was when he lit it up here for a year or so.
Sorry Flutie NEVER lit it up. He had moments but for the most part he was average, and benefited greatly from the Bills having one of the best D's in football at the time. Bills D was rated #6 in 1998, #1 in 1999, and #3 in 2000.

By comparison... to prove a major point............ Which one of these 2 QB's would you rather have ????


WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
1 09/12 @ IND L 14-31 1 1 22 42 52.4 300 7.1 1 2 5 26 63.6 4 24 6.0 0 1 1
2 09/19 NYJ W 17-3 1 1 15 25 60.0 160 6.4 0 0 0 0 78.8 7 67 9.6 1 -- --
3 09/26 PHI W 26-0 1 1 18 26 69.2 175 6.7 1 1 0 0 84.6 5 32 6.4 0 -- --
4 10/04 @ MIA W 23-18 1 1 12 25 48.0 186 7.4 1 0 1 9 86.4 9 29 3.2 0 -- --
5 10/10 PIT W 24-21 1 1 21 32 65.6 261 8.2 3 0 2 7 122.0 7 39 5.6 0 -- --
6 10/17 OAK L 14-20 1 1 19 41 46.3 210 5.1 1 3 1 9 39.7 3 23 7.7 0 -- --
7 10/24 @ SEA L 16-26 1 1 24 50 48.0 294 5.9 2 2 3 40 63.2 6 43 7.2 0 1 1
8 10/31 @ BAL W 13-10 1 1 18 40 45.0 155 3.9 1 3 3 17 32.8 8 50 6.3 0 -- --
9 11/07 @ WAS W 34-17 1 1 16 22 72.7 211 9.6 2 0 1 2 133.0 5 40 8.0 0 -- --
10 11/14 MIA W 23-3 1 1 10 20 50.0 157 7.9 1 0 0 0 93.1 7 8 1.1 0 -- --
11 11/21 @ NYJ L 7-17 1 1 22 40 55.0 220 5.5 1 2 2 15 58.3 3 34 11.3 0 2 1
12 11/28 NE W 17-7 1 1 9 16 56.3 207 12.9 2 0 0 0 140.6 5 -7 -1.4 0 1 0
13 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
14 12/12 NYG L 17-19 1 1 15 32 46.9 184 5.8 1 1 3 23 62.5 6 25 4.2 0 1 1
15 12/19 @ ARI W 31-21 1 1 21 32 65.6 239 7.5 2 2 2 22 82.7 7 25 3.6 0 -- --
16 12/26 @ NE W 13-10 1 1 22 35 62.9 212 6.1 0 0 3 6 79.7 6 44 7.3 0 -- --
17 01/02 IND W 31-6 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 15 15 264 478 55.2 3,171 6.6 19 16 26 176 75.1 88 476 5.4 1 6 4



WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
1 09/12 MIA L 10-15 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
2 09/19 @ GB L 7-34 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
3 09/26 @ NE L 30-38 1 1 20 28 71.4 247 8.8 2 2 1 7 92.4 3 18 6.0 0 -- --
4 10/03 NYJ L 14-38 1 1 12 27 44.4 128 4.7 2 0 3 19 83.6 7 74 10.6 0 -- --
5 10/10 JAC L 26-36 1 1 20 30 66.7 220 7.3 3 0 3 24 121.5 2 4 2.0 0 1 0
6 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
7 10/24 @ BAL L 34-37 1 1 29 43 67.4 382 8.9 4 2 1 0 106.9 4 20 5.0 0 -- --
8 10/31 @ KC L 10-13 1 1 24 48 50.0 223 4.6 1 1 3 32 61.4 6 43 7.2 0 1 0
9 11/07 CHI L 19-22 1 1 31 51 60.8 299 5.9 1 2 1 5 67.4 2 9 4.5 0 -- --
10 11/14 DET W 14-12 1 1 12 24 50.0 146 6.1 1 0 1 7 83.0 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- --
11 11/21 @ CIN W 49-31 1 1 21 34 61.8 316 9.3 4 2 1 8 107.0 1 11 11.0 0 -- --
12 11/28 PIT L 16-19 1 1 23 45 51.1 265 5.9 1 1 2 10 67.4 2 4 2.0 0 -- --
13 12/05 @ MIN L 14-38 1 1 15 25 60.0 158 6.3 1 1 1 3 75.1 4 5 1.3 0 3 2
14 12/12 CLE W 13-6 1 1 14 23 60.9 142 6.2 1 0 2 11 93.0 4 49 12.3 0 1 1
15 12/19 @ MIA W 17-14 1 1 16 26 61.5 223 8.6 2 1 2 12 98.7 3 19 6.3 0 -- --
16 12/26 NE L 3-34 1 1 18 37 48.6 251 6.8 0 3 3 7 37.1 1 14 14.0 0 2 2
17 01/02 @ NYJ L 7-38 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 13 13 255 441 57.8 3,000 6.8 23 15 24 145 81.8 40 269 6.7 0 8 5


One is Ryan Fitzpatrick last year, and the other is Doug Fluties best year as a Buffalo Bill.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanfitzpatrick/gamelogs?id=FIT792915


http://www.nfl.com/players/dougflutie/gamelogs?id=FLU553722&season=1999

[Thief]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Newton isn't going to help this team stop opponents from rushing for 200 yards and racking up 30 pts on a weekly basis.I suggest you think longer or harder.

What is the best defense? Yep. An offense.

If we score more the opposition runs less. Get it?

If we keep the ball on offense, the opposition doesn't. Get it?

A franchise QB + A true NT +A mauling RT = A WAAYYY better team.

The only question now is, can he be the Bills franchise QB? I figure there is only one way to find out.

[PromoTheRobot]

Cam Newton would be the perfect choice for the Bills. Why break a streak of draft failures now? Newton will be a colossal bust in Buffalo. He'll fit right in.

PTR

[casdhf]

Sorry Flutie NEVER lit it up. He had moments but for the most part he was average, and benefited greatly from the Bills having one of the best D's in football at the time. Bills D was rated #6 in 1998, #1 in 1999, and #3 in 2000.

By comparison... to prove a major point............ Which one of these 2 QB's would you rather have ????


WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
1 09/12 @ IND L 14-31 1 1 22 42 52.4 300 7.1 1 2 5 26 63.6 4 24 6.0 0 1 1
2 09/19 NYJ W 17-3 1 1 15 25 60.0 160 6.4 0 0 0 0 78.8 7 67 9.6 1 -- --
3 09/26 PHI W 26-0 1 1 18 26 69.2 175 6.7 1 1 0 0 84.6 5 32 6.4 0 -- --
4 10/04 @ MIA W 23-18 1 1 12 25 48.0 186 7.4 1 0 1 9 86.4 9 29 3.2 0 -- --
5 10/10 PIT W 24-21 1 1 21 32 65.6 261 8.2 3 0 2 7 122.0 7 39 5.6 0 -- --
6 10/17 OAK L 14-20 1 1 19 41 46.3 210 5.1 1 3 1 9 39.7 3 23 7.7 0 -- --
7 10/24 @ SEA L 16-26 1 1 24 50 48.0 294 5.9 2 2 3 40 63.2 6 43 7.2 0 1 1
8 10/31 @ BAL W 13-10 1 1 18 40 45.0 155 3.9 1 3 3 17 32.8 8 50 6.3 0 -- --
9 11/07 @ WAS W 34-17 1 1 16 22 72.7 211 9.6 2 0 1 2 133.0 5 40 8.0 0 -- --
10 11/14 MIA W 23-3 1 1 10 20 50.0 157 7.9 1 0 0 0 93.1 7 8 1.1 0 -- --
11 11/21 @ NYJ L 7-17 1 1 22 40 55.0 220 5.5 1 2 2 15 58.3 3 34 11.3 0 2 1
12 11/28 NE W 17-7 1 1 9 16 56.3 207 12.9 2 0 0 0 140.6 5 -7 -1.4 0 1 0
13 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
14 12/12 NYG L 17-19 1 1 15 32 46.9 184 5.8 1 1 3 23 62.5 6 25 4.2 0 1 1
15 12/19 @ ARI W 31-21 1 1 21 32 65.6 239 7.5 2 2 2 22 82.7 7 25 3.6 0 -- --
16 12/26 @ NE W 13-10 1 1 22 35 62.9 212 6.1 0 0 3 6 79.7 6 44 7.3 0 -- --
17 01/02 IND W 31-6 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 15 15 264 478 55.2 3,171 6.6 19 16 26 176 75.1 88 476 5.4 1 6 4



WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
1 09/12 MIA L 10-15 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
2 09/19 @ GB L 7-34 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
3 09/26 @ NE L 30-38 1 1 20 28 71.4 247 8.8 2 2 1 7 92.4 3 18 6.0 0 -- --
4 10/03 NYJ L 14-38 1 1 12 27 44.4 128 4.7 2 0 3 19 83.6 7 74 10.6 0 -- --
5 10/10 JAC L 26-36 1 1 20 30 66.7 220 7.3 3 0 3 24 121.5 2 4 2.0 0 1 0
6 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
7 10/24 @ BAL L 34-37 1 1 29 43 67.4 382 8.9 4 2 1 0 106.9 4 20 5.0 0 -- --
8 10/31 @ KC L 10-13 1 1 24 48 50.0 223 4.6 1 1 3 32 61.4 6 43 7.2 0 1 0
9 11/07 CHI L 19-22 1 1 31 51 60.8 299 5.9 1 2 1 5 67.4 2 9 4.5 0 -- --
10 11/14 DET W 14-12 1 1 12 24 50.0 146 6.1 1 0 1 7 83.0 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- --
11 11/21 @ CIN W 49-31 1 1 21 34 61.8 316 9.3 4 2 1 8 107.0 1 11 11.0 0 -- --
12 11/28 PIT L 16-19 1 1 23 45 51.1 265 5.9 1 1 2 10 67.4 2 4 2.0 0 -- --
13 12/05 @ MIN L 14-38 1 1 15 25 60.0 158 6.3 1 1 1 3 75.1 4 5 1.3 0 3 2
14 12/12 CLE W 13-6 1 1 14 23 60.9 142 6.2 1 0 2 11 93.0 4 49 12.3 0 1 1
15 12/19 @ MIA W 17-14 1 1 16 26 61.5 223 8.6 2 1 2 12 98.7 3 19 6.3 0 -- --
16 12/26 NE L 3-34 1 1 18 37 48.6 251 6.8 0 3 3 7 37.1 1 14 14.0 0 2 2
17 01/02 @ NYJ L 7-38 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 13 13 255 441 57.8 3,000 6.8 23 15 24 145 81.8 40 269 6.7 0 8 5


One is Ryan Fitzpatrick last year, and the other is Doug Fluties best year as a Buffalo Bill.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanfitzpatrick/gamelogs?id=FIT792915


http://www.nfl.com/players/dougflutie/gamelogs?id=FLU553722&season=1999

I'll take the 11-5 Flutie.

[Syderick]

I'll take the 11-5 Flutie.

I'll take Flutie too. I'm fine with Fitzpatrick for now. Gailey has more time to work with Fitz, to get him better and prepared this season, compared to last season. I say draft Miller.

[djjimkelly]

This is the first year in a LONG time that I dont have 1 guy pegged that I really want. I would be happy with Cam, Gabbart, Peterson, Dareus, Fairley or Miller


i dont want fairley or newton

both one year wonders both high risk high reward

this team team needs solid

ill be behind any pick except one of those 2 the auburn guys scare me too much

[ddaryl]

I'll take the 11-5 Flutie.
really..

It was the Bills D that made the 11-5 record. Bills D was #1 overall that year.... l'll take the Bills D of 1998 - 2000


Flutie wouldn't look any better on the 2010 team and Fitzpatrick would look a whole lot better on the 1998-2000 team...

[YardRat]

I suggest you think longer or harder.

What is the best defense? Yep. An offense.

If we score more the opposition runs less. Get it?

If we keep the ball on offense, the opposition doesn't. Get it?

A franchise QB + A true NT +A mauling RT = A WAAYYY better team.

The only question now is, can he be the Bills franchise QB? I figure there is only one way to find out.

The offense has to be on the field, and not playing catch-up. Which isn't going to happen if the D isn't upgraded. Fitz threw for 3000 yards, and 23 TD's in 13 games last season...not bad, and probably more than you would expect from a Newton/Gabbert in their first and/or second season, but still only good enough to win 4 games.

It's a chicken/egg thing, but as I've said before Run and Stop the run isn't a wives tale, it's truism.

[better days]

I suggest you think longer or harder.

What is the best defense? Yep. An offense.

If we score more the opposition runs less. Get it?

If we keep the ball on offense, the opposition doesn't. Get it?

A franchise QB + A true NT +A mauling RT = A WAAYYY better team.

The only question now is, can he be the Bills franchise QB? I figure there is only one way to find out.

Unless a team has a good defense, the offense will not get the ball often enough to score a lot of points, it's called clock management.

[BertSquirtgum]

do some of these guys even know anything about football? a good offense is a good defense? what the ****? as already stated, without a good defense, your offense won't be getting the ball much.

[Thief]

Unless a team has a good defense, the offense will not get the ball often enough to score a lot of points, it's called clock management.So, if you took out Cam's name and inserted Tom Brady's (or some other franchise QB's) would I still be wrong?

Telling me a better offense would not help the defense is wrong, plain and simple.

I got news for y'all. Fitz isn't that good. He is likeable, but he isn't that good.

[X-Era]

So, if you took out Cam's name and inserted Tom Brady's (or some other franchise QB's) would I still be wrong?

Telling me a better offense would not help the defense is wrong, plain and simple.

I got news for y'all. Fitz isn't that good. He is likeable, but he isn't that good.I will say it another way.

What happens if we build a defense good enough for the playoffs but then find out that Fitz is the limiting factor... a few years down the road, after paying him starting QB money next year since he's a free agent... and with no viable prospect waiting in the wings... and without the fire power to get a sure-fire 1st overall franchise type QB... or even a highly touted QB since were now picking in the bottom half.

We need some vision on what our future holds that includes, but is not limited to, a good defense.

And personally, I'd like some leverage next year when Fitz tries to command 7 or 8 million dollars per year. Or at least a potential alternative.

[Thief]

I will say it another way.

What happens if we build a defense good enough for the playoffs but then find out that Fitz is the limiting factor... a few years down the road, after paying him starting QB money next year since he's a free agent... and with no viable prospect waiting in the wings... and without the fire power to get a sure-fire 1st overall franchise type QB... or even a highly touted QB since were now picking in the bottom half.

We need some vision on what our future holds that includes, but is not limited to, a good defense.

And personally, I'd like some leverage next year when Fitz tries to command 7 or 8 million dollars per year. Or at least a potential alternative.Sounds like another good reason. Having a viable backup, in the least, next year sounds good too.

I will agree it is a chicken/egg thing. But, all that tells me is that I ain't wrong.

Also, worth noting, I think the run defenses biggest defect is no true nose tackle. A true nose tackle upgrades 4 defensive positions. Nose tackle, DE (assuming KW kicks left), and both ILBs.

IMO, a possible franchise QB is more important than a possible rotational DE.

[X-Era]

Sounds like another good reason. Having a viable backup, in the least, next year sounds good too.

I will agree it is a chicken/egg thing. But, all that tells me is that I ain't wrong.

Also, worth noting, I think the run defenses biggest defect is no true nose tackle. A true nose tackle upgrades 4 defensive positions. Nose tackle, DE (assuming KW kicks left), and both ILBs.

IMO, a possible franchise QB is more important than a possible rotational DE.I'd love to land one in this draft. Personally, I'd prefer a true nose tackle size wise but they are abit farther down in the draft by the looks of it.

[Syderick]

I will say it another way.

What happens if we build a defense good enough for the playoffs but then find out that Fitz is the limiting factor... a few years down the road, after paying him starting QB money next year since he's a free agent... and with no viable prospect waiting in the wings... and without the fire power to get a sure-fire 1st overall franchise type QB... or even a highly touted QB since were now picking in the bottom half.

We need some vision on what our future holds that includes, but is not limited to, a good defense.

And personally, I'd like some leverage next year when Fitz tries to command 7 or 8 million dollars per year. Or at least a potential alternative.

It's going to be Fitzpatrick's contract year. See we'll find how he does this next season.

[better days]

So, if you took out Cam's name and inserted Tom Brady's (or some other franchise QB's) would I still be wrong?

Telling me a better offense would not help the defense is wrong, plain and simple.

I got news for y'all. Fitz isn't that good. He is likeable, but he isn't that good.

If you inserted Bradys name instead of Newtons, you would still be wrong. Even if Brady were the QB last year, the Bills would have had a losing record. They would have scored more points in some games but as I said, teams would have played the Bills like the Giants did in Super Bowl XXV, controlling the clock so Brady would not have a chance to beat them.

2010 Bills Points scored in losses:
10,7,30,14,26,34,10,19,16,14,3,7

Points scored in wins:
14,49,13,17

With even a decent defense last year, the Bills could have easily had a 10-6 Season. With a good defense they could have had a 12-4 record. I have seen teams win 3-0 so conceivably with a GREAT defense the Bills could have been 16-0 last year.

Of course a great offense will help a defense, but even with a GREAT offense with Brady at QB, the Pats* did not make it to the AFC Championship game last year because their defense was not good enough to pull its own weight.