Bottom line on Bowers..

[acehole]

If he gets by NE he will be a Buffalo Bill.
He has to much potential and we will rotate
him in anyway to bring him along slowly. His
contract will reflect and incentive ladened deal.
So if he doesn't produce he doesn't get paid.
The Bills brought him in to consider him for
the first round people.....what do you think
their thoughts will be if he is there in the second?
If their doctors said his knee was fine in public?

Bruce and Thrum had bum knees also..not to say
one is the other but todays doctors are a bit better
then then. He is even worth the pick as a third down
part timer people...you cant double team everyone.
High character, high production, pay as you go player
...bargin bin.....this sounds like a perfect Bills pick if
you ask me.

We trade back up to grab that MLB and we can end
the draft right there....

[mikemac2001]

i like the idea of darues edwards williams bowers carrington and troup

but i feel we need another LB more.

[X-Era]

i like the idea of darues edwards williams bowers carrington and troup

but i feel we need another LB more.We can wait, it's a weak class at ILB. OLB has some depth.

[Ebenezer]

If his knee problem is so bad that it is literally bone rubbing on bone with nothing left inside then I don't want him. That's not how the knee is supposed to work.

[X-Era]

If his knee problem is so bad that it is literally bone rubbing on bone with nothing left inside then I don't want him. That's not how the knee is supposed to work.Neither would the Bills... they may not feel that's the case.

[The last buffalo fan]

If his knee problem is so bad that it is literally bone rubbing on bone with nothing left inside then I don't want him. That's not how the knee is supposed to work.

**** happens, I would roll the dice in as many chances it presents to me.

[HHURRICANE]

Since we were getting ripped for Maybin last night on National TV I really think you take Reed.

It's the safe pick and the Bills have been horrible at taking guys that have been "high risk, high reward".

[X-Era]

Since we were getting ripped for Maybin last night on National TV I really think you take Reed.

It's the safe pick and the Bills have been horrible at taking guys that have been "high risk, high reward".I think NE may take him.

[better days]

If he gets by NE he will be a Buffalo Bill.
He has to much potential and we will rotate
him in anyway to bring him along slowly. His
contract will reflect and incentive ladened deal.
So if he doesn't produce he doesn't get paid.
The Bills brought him in to consider him for
the first round people.....what do you think
their thoughts will be if he is there in the second?
If their doctors said his knee was fine in public?

Bruce and Thrum had bum knees also..not to say
one is the other but todays doctors are a bit better
then then. He is even worth the pick as a third down
part timer people...you cant double team everyone.
High character, high production, pay as you go player
...bargin bin.....this sounds like a perfect Bills pick if
you ask me.

We trade back up to grab that MLB and we can end
the draft right there....

He is a 4-3 player not a 3-4 player so I doubt either the Pats* or the Bills will draft him.

[X-Era]

He is a 4-3 player not a 3-4 player so I doubt either the Pats* or the Bills will draft him.over 6' 3" and 280 with a frame to add more bulk? Dwan Edwards is 6' 3" and 290.

[acehole]

If his knee problem is so bad that it is literally bone rubbing on bone with nothing left inside then I don't want him. That's not how the knee is supposed to work.


If the the knee where that bad he could not walk.
the surgery was for an injury that is rehab-able.
His condition may or may not be...but it is not
a lock he has the condition. Even if he does
he will be able to play 4-5 years at least
but could play for more...and each year
they double their capacity to heal the
human machine. He was playing at
very high level before injury. He
will be back to 80 or 90 % of that
we will have gotten a steal. Yes
even for 4 -5 years...that is the
cycle anyway of rebuilding
anyway. I say take a
chance.

[acehole]

Since we were getting ripped for Maybin last night on National TV I really think you take Reed.

It's the safe pick and the Bills have been horrible at taking guys that have been "high risk, high reward".

I understand but it is insane to think one has to do with the other.

[better days]

over 6' 3" and 280 with a frame to add more bulk? Dwan Edwards is 6' 3" and 290.

I'm not draft boy, but everything I have read & heard about Bowers say he projects to a 4-3 team & is not suited to play for a 3-4 team.

[Ebenezer]

If the the knee where that bad he could not walk.
the surgery was for an injury that is rehab-able.
His condition may or may not be...but it is not
a lock he has the condition. Even if he does
he will be able to play 4-5 years at least
but could play for more...and each year
they double their capacity to heal the
human machine. He was playing at
very high level before injury. He
will be back to 80 or 90 % of that
we will have gotten a steal. Yes
even for 4 -5 years...that is the
cycle anyway of rebuilding
anyway. I say take a
chance.
There is a huge difference between walking and all the things a DE has to do to be effective.

[X-Era]

I'm not draft boy, but everything I have read & heard about Bowers say he projects to a 4-3 team & is not suited to play for a 3-4 team.As I have already said, I don't fully buy it. IMO, "not" suited is too strong a term... "best" may be a better term.

But, refer to what Gailey says about this:

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=3454085&postcount=41

[Figster]

The knee situation really bothers me, but can you imagine the chip on this guys shoulder after watching practically ever team pass him up.

[Mad Max]

There is a huge difference between walking and all the things a DE has to do to be effective.

Don't be ridiculous.

Are you telling me that you don't have to fight past 300lb men every few feet as you're running at full speed at them... while you're matriculating your way down the street?

[better days]

As I have already said, I don't fully buy it. IMO, "not" suited is too strong a term... "best" may be a better term.

But, refer to what Gailey says about this:

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=3454085&postcount=41

Well, I guess we will find out real soon where Nix & Gailey really stand. The Bills do play some 4-3 but with Williams & Dareus I think they draft a LB in the 2nd over Bowers.

[CleveSteve]

If the the knee where that bad he could not walk.
the surgery was for an injury that is rehab-able.
His condition may or may not be...but it is not
a lock he has the condition. Even if he does
he will be able to play 4-5 years at least
but could play for more...and each year
they double their capacity to heal the
human machine. He was playing at
very high level before injury. He
will be back to 80 or 90 % of that
we will have gotten a steal. Yes
even for 4 -5 years...that is the
cycle anyway of rebuilding
anyway. I say take a
chance.

Something about your linebreaks gives me a feeling of despair.

[X-Era]

Well, I guess we will find out real soon where Nix & Gailey really stand. The Bills do play some 4-3 but with Williams & Dareus I think they draft a LB in the 2nd over Bowers.Yeah. Who knows. I love the player, I'd have no issue with the pick if, and only if, they are OK with his injury.

[Ebenezer]

Don't be ridiculous.

Are you telling me that you don't have to fight past 300lb men every few feet as you're running at full speed at them... while you're matriculating your way down the street?
Well, I have to because morons drive cars and it seems when I am out on a run the road is full of them.

[acehole]

There is a huge difference between walking and all the things a DE has to do to be effective.

Agreed 1000% but he was at a high level before injury...please comment on that point....

What I mean to say is when he rehabs from the torn maniscus (Spl) he will be at or close to the preinjury bowers...so over time if and big if...he will begin to feel the effects of this degenerative bone on bone condition he will be out of the game....in 4 - 5....

I say so what...4-5 years is lifetime in football.

[X-Era]

Agreed 1000% but he was at a high level before injury...please comment on that point....

What I mean to say is when he rehabs from the torn maniscus (Spl) he will be at or close to the preinjury bowers...so over time if and big if...he will begin to feel the effects of this degenerative bone on bone condition he will be out of the game....in 4 - 5....

I say so what...4-5 years is lifetime in football.That's the end of this contract....

[Ebenezer]

Agreed 1000% but he was at a high level before injury...please comment on that point....

What I mean to say is when he rehabs from the torn maniscus (Spl) he will be at or close to the preinjury bowers...so over time if and big if...he will begin to feel the effects of this degenerative bone on bone condition he will be out of the game....in 4 - 5....

I say so what...4-5 years is lifetime in football.
You answered your own point - Key word...before. With the knee there is no guarantee about anything after an injury and surgery.

[Spiderweb]

Don't be ridiculous.

Are you telling me that you don't have to fight past 300lb men every few feet as you're running at full speed at them... while you're matriculating your way down the street?

"Matriculating"? ........ Are you Hank Stram Jr.?

[acehole]

That's the end of this contract....

Ok but we will probably turn the whole roster over by then anyway...
He will be fine for this go around...

If he pans out you should be more worried about his contract ending...

[acehole]

You answered your own point - Key word...before. With the knee there is no guarantee about anything after an injury and surgery.

Point taken...so we can agree it is either yes or no...or 50% vs 50%.

So take a flyer and sign him to incentive ladened deal...
Torn maniscus has a decent recovery rate...and he
doesnt sound like a guy who is not going to work
at rehabing...

I will take a 90% heathy D Bowers over most of this draft.

[better days]

Well, Pats* did not draft Bowers, he is there for the Bills. Bills are on the clock.