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  • YardRat
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    • Dec 2004
    • 86171

    Who was the better QB?

    Sonny Jurgenson or Bart Starr?
    Dan Fouts or Terry Bradshaw?
    Dan Marino or Joe Montana?
    Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?
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    • Feb 2005
    • 4525

    #2
    Re: Who was the better QB?

    starr
    bradshaw
    montana
    brady

    see rings (although i dont know if starr has one?)
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    • sam5767
      Registered User
      • Sep 2008
      • 84

      #3
      Re: Who was the better QB?

      I don't think you can go by just rings, otherwise Trent Dilfer is better than Marino. Rings also product of team...see Brady early in career when the Pats defense just as responsible for the wins.....my picks based on my opinion of the QB skills....not just rings.

      Didn't see either Starr or Jurgensen play, so won't comment on either

      Fouts: was much better QB than Bradshaw...Bradshaw was not very accurate....and was kind of a product of his team....Fouts made the Chargers what they were in early 80's (I still painfully recall that 50 yr TD with @2 minutes left in 80 playoff game...)

      Montana: this was tough as Marino to me better pure passer, better arm, but Montana better scrambler/improviser...could go either way but seems that Montana gets the nod here due to post season success

      Manning: because I can't stand Brady...lol...but seriously, Manning I think has better arm...slightly better field general...and has done well despite 3 different HC....both are great QB's, but Manning reminds me more of Kelly than Brady...and Kelly was the best (ok...my bias showing here..lol)

      Again...the above is my opinion....
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      • Ingtar33
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        • Sep 2002
        • 15469

        #4
        Re: Who was the better QB?

        Originally posted by YardRat
        Sonny Jurgenson or Bart Starr?
        Dan Fouts or Terry Bradshaw?
        Dan Marino or Joe Montana?
        Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?
        Starr
        Fouts
        Montana
        Manning
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        • Historian
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          • Dec 2002
          • 61725

          #5
          Re: Who was the better QB?

          Starr Fouts Montana Brady

          Best of all time Elway

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          • YardRat
            Well, lookie here...
            • Dec 2004
            • 86171

            #6
            Re: Who was the better QB?

            Originally posted by Historian
            Starr Fouts Montana Brady

            Best of all time Elway
            Really?
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            • Mr. Pink
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              • Mar 2006
              • 35303

              #7
              Re: Who was the better QB?

              Sonny
              Fouts
              Marino
              Brady

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              • Mr. Pink
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                • Mar 2006
                • 35303

                #8
                Re: Who was the better QB?

                Originally posted by YardRat
                Really?

                Elway carried the 86-89 Broncos on his back alone on offense.

                That team had very little offensive talent when they went to 3 Superbowls in 4 years.

                Of course, they couldn't win because they ran into vastly superior NFC teams.

                Elway is the best QB I've ever personally seen, not just highlights, play.

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                • Mr. Miyagi
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                  • Sep 2002
                  • 53616

                  #9
                  Re: Who was the better QB?

                  Originally posted by Ingtar33
                  Starr
                  Fouts
                  Montana
                  Manning

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                  • DraftBoy
                    Administrator
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 107452

                    #10
                    Re: Who was the better QB?

                    Originally posted by YardRat
                    Sonny Jurgenson or Bart Starr?
                    Dan Fouts or Terry Bradshaw?
                    Dan Marino or Joe Montana?
                    Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

                    I only saw the second two and Ill go with;

                    Montana over Marino
                    Manning over Brady
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                    • Jan Reimers
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                      • May 2003
                      • 17353

                      #11
                      Re: Who was the better QB?

                      As pure throwers of the ball, it's:
                      Jurgenson
                      Fouts
                      Marino
                      Manning
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                      • ServoBillieves
                        The Voice of Reason
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 6106

                        #12
                        Re: Who was the better QB?


                        Bart Starr
                        Dan Fouts
                        Joe Montana
                        Peyton Manning
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                        • Billz_fan
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2614

                          #13
                          Re: Who was the better QB?

                          Originally posted by YardRat
                          Sonny Jurgenson or Bart Starr?
                          Dan Fouts or Terry Bradshaw?
                          Dan Marino or Joe Montana?
                          Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?
                          Being born in 1959 I was able to see them all play although when Star retired in 71 I was 11. Still at age 11 I was a crazy football fan. I used to wear my uniform watching games as a kid

                          Anyway.........

                          Bart Star,

                          never saw Sonny as upper top tier though he had his moments. He was a beer gutted gun slinger and a leader. His career with the skins was always on again off again and he ended up sharing a lot of playing time with Billy Kilmer later on. Mos tof the time Sonny was in trouble with the coach or team for his off field night life fun.

                          Dan Fouts,

                          This one is more of a pick from the heart. Bradshaw has all the glory and rings but Fout's was so much more fun to watch. Bradshaw was surrounded by talent and benefited from better teams. Especially on defense. Had Fout's Chargers ever had a defense history would be written differently. The passing offense of the Chargers "pass first" philosophy was a pure joy to watch and Dan Fouts was the perfect QB to run it. He was one of the most competetive players ever. He was always yelling at his receivers and linemen etc. Take him any day of the week.

                          Joe Montana...

                          Marino was a great QB but this match up is almost unfair. Montana is who I consider the greatest ever. I personally saw Marino in many many games he played at the Ralph and he was an incredible passer that made you go wow when he threw a pass. Montana has all the advantages though in teams he played on, SB Rings, Comebacks and even his college career is better than most everyone elses. I was a big ND fan as a kid and Montana was incredible. Everyone knows what you mean when you talk about the Cotton Bowl game against Houston.


                          Peyton Manning

                          Brady and Manning can go either way depending on what you like. I don't think we have seen a smarter more hard working QB than Peyton Manning. Brady I have always considered a product of Bellicheats system. He is a great QB but Im not sure he shares the same career success he has now if he goes anywhere else. I think Peyton Manning would be great on any team.
                          Last edited by Billz_fan; 06-05-2011, 01:32 PM.
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                          • YardRat
                            Well, lookie here...
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 86171

                            #14
                            Re: Who was the better QB?

                            Regular season stats v. championships.

                            Jurgenson led his league in passing 5 of 9 seasons, from '61 to '69 and nobody else was even close (Blanda, Brodie, Namath & Hadl twice). Starr, however, was collecting rings.

                            Fouts led the league in passing four straight seasons, and is one of the more prolific throwers in league history. Bradshaw has championships and never led the league.

                            Marino/Montana...See Fouts/Bradshaw.

                            Manning/Brady are a little bit different...Both have led the league in passing multiple times, and both have at least one ring. Neither won a championship, though, during their more prolific regular seasons.
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                            • mjt328
                              Registered User
                              • May 2011
                              • 636

                              #15
                              Re: Who was the better QB?

                              I didn't see the first two groups.

                              Personally, I always thought Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana. I consider Super Bowl rings a team accomplishment, and that was Montana's primary claim to fame.
                              Montana had Bill Walsh and an offense that was incredibly innovative for its time. He had Jerry Rice, probably the best wide receiver of all time. The rest of the players on his offense (John Taylor, Roger Craig) were pretty good too.
                              Marino had nobody around him. No running game. Nobody special calling plays on offense. He made the Marks brothers into decent players. To make matters worse, during his prime, the Dolphins had to compete every year with the more superior Buffalo Bills in the AFC East. Most of the time, they entered the playoffs as a wildcard team and didn't have a chance to reach the championship.

                              In the same way, I don't think Tom Brady is even in Peyton Manning's league. In my opinion, Manning is the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.
                              THE PROBLEM is that the Colts are seriously outcoached every year in the playoffs (often by the Patriots). There are ways to stop the "no huddle" offense, and Belichek knows all the tricks. Indianapolis seems like it hasn't caught on yet. So they usually choke in the big games.
                              I also think Brady's legacy is seriously tainted by the Tuck Game (he should have never went to that first Super Bowl) and the cheating scandal.
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