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There are two very different types of football fan which clash. The first type is a thinker. They are intellectuals. They base their opinions on reason and evidence. They listen to Football Weekly,…
These 2types clash all of the time even though they support same team
Tribal:
1. Support team no matter what
2. Buy lots of merchandise
3. Hate on any detractors
4. May leave football if team moves
Intelligent
1. Are realists
2. Enjoy the dealer chess like aspects of the game: on & off field strategy
3. Instead of merchandise might have team blogs, write articles, etc...
These 2 clash the same way religion clashes with science. It's blind faith and dogma vs cold hard facts. Which are you? Most would fall in the tribal category, so next time there is an argument or difference of opinion on here,this is probably the reason!
These 2types clash all of the time even though they support same team
Tribal:
1. Support team no matter what
2. Buy lots of merchandise
3. Hate on any detractors
4. May leave football if team moves
Intelligent
1. Are realists
2. Enjoy the dealer chess like aspects of the game: on & off field strategy
3. Instead of merchandise might have team blogs, write articles, etc...
These 2 clash the same way religion clashes with science. It's blind faith and dogma vs cold hard facts. Which are you? Most would fall in the tribal category, so next time there is an argument or difference of opinion on here,this is probably the reason!
Wow, you managed to misrepresent like a gazillion people with this post, in addition to creating four stereotypes that fit like three total people in the world. I love how "illiterating" you are, Mike!
"Misguided political correctness tethers our intellects."
- Nicholas Cummings
There could be two very well thought out arguments for and against in ANY situation. Takes a little intelligence to understand that. Overly optimistic and overly pessimistic can be viewed as radical, depending on how much emotion goes into it. On the other hand, optimism in a bad situation is not tribalism and negativism under the same circumstances does not mean realistic. Starting a blog doesn't show more intelligence than buying a shirt. There are certainly some good blogs out there, but there are some pretty moronic blogs out there too - on both sides of the fence. One can be upbeat about a bad team and still enjoy strategy. Once can also be negative about a team and still buy season tickets. Go to the stadium on any Sunday and you'll find plenty of ultra-negative fans with season tickets.
What about the gazillion of us out there who love the team, who support the team, who actually own a few Bills t-shirts, but who are also big time into strategy, design, history, etc AND do NOT have any high hopes for the team and DO NOT have faith in Ralph? We must all be so confused.
The arguments most often aren't because one side is acting as sheep and one is being realistic. The arguments often occur because neither side is willing to look at the others' point of view and both refuse to believe that they can possibly be wrong. Also, as we've seen on both sides over the years, labeling happens. Labeling is offensive, so of course the other side gets upset. Argue intelligently and don't call people who disagree with you names. It's a lot less stressful and a lot more productive. You can still have a heated debate, but you would do so intelligently. That would be a cool change of pace around here.
I notice the tribals are also the ones who love players unconditionally when they are with the team, and wish them death once they leave. ... exaggeration a little, but some truth nonetheless.
Don't forget the third type of fan which are douche bag trolls.
Don't forget stalkers who don't post anything team related.
Are obsessed with making asses out of themselves.
Unknowingly project their homoerotic fantasies in their posts.
Will not answer why they are on a bills forum.
Have nothing meaningful to add to a bills forum.
While the reality of the situation is that the two types of fans described above represent a gross oversimplification, there are still a lot of fans who are very close to the "tribal" category.
And it's not just us.
One of my good friends is a Redskins fan and he goes to Skins message boards. He says even in situations where the Redskins would have to win out with 7 games left just to have an outside shot at the playoffs, people on the Skins boards are still talking playoffs and completely over-ranking players.
Most people probably aren't quite tribal enough to fall 100% into that "tribal" category, but there are a LOT of people who have a hard time being objective about their favorite team.
While the reality of the situation is that the two types of fans desribed above represents a gross oversimplification, there are still a lot of fans who are very close to the "tribal" category.
And it's not just us.
One of my good friends is a Redskins fan and he goes to Skins message boards. He says even in situations where the Redskins would have to win out with 7 games left just to have an outside shot at the playoffs, people on the Skins boards are still talking playoffs and completely over-ranking players.
Most people probably aren't quite tribal enough to fall 100% into that "tribal" category, but there are a LOT of people who have a hard time being objective about their favorite team.
Absolutely true. Radicalism is certainly part of the sports culture. A big part. As you stated, the two category thing is an oversimplification though. I hate stuff like that. I also hate the Skins.
These 2types clash all of the time even though they support same team
Tribal:
1. Support team no matter what
2. Buy lots of merchandise
3. Hate on any detractors
4. May leave football if team moves
Intelligent
1. Are realists
2. Enjoy the dealer chess like aspects of the game: on & off field strategy
3. Instead of merchandise might have team blogs, write articles, etc...
These 2 clash the same way religion clashes with science. It's blind faith and dogma vs cold hard facts. Which are you? Most would fall in the tribal category, so next time there is an argument or difference of opinion on here,this is probably the reason!
So, where does Whiner fit on that list? a lot of them among this fan base. Is that under intelligence? lol
I think there is some addiction element that goes on too with the tribals. A weird sort of denial. Like they know deep down that their team sucks but refuse to admit/realize it consciously.
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2Types of Fans: Intelligent vs Tribal
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