Bills agree to extension with Kyle Williams

[wmoz11]

http://twitter.com/caplannfl

It's a retweet from Kyle's agent, it seems...

http://twitter.com/AlbertEliasMGMT


Williams agrees in principle to contract extension w Bills.....congrats Kyle!

[scartown]

6 year, $39M deal includes $17M guaranteed. Good deal for both sides

[BLeonard]

http://twitter.com/#!/JasonLaCanfora/status/107191557349838848



Bills agree to 6 year, $39M deal with stud DT Kyle Williams. Includes $17M guaranteed


-Bill

[wmoz11]

Great deal. The man gets paid (deservedly) and that's really not a huge amount of guaranteed money. I was thinking 20M+.

Finally, spending money on the guys that DESERVE IT. Well done, OBD.

[ddaryl]

SOLID !....

[FlyingDutchman]

Nice! Now keep rewarding and locking down our players who deserve it and maybe this carousel will stop

[Coach Sal]

Very nice deal for the Bills. Even a "bargain" if Williams continues to play as he has and even better.

[T-Long]

Ralph and the Bills get hammered all the time for being cheap...they deserve kudos when they lock up a player who deserves it. Now time to work on Stevie...

[CleveSteve]

Wow, nice contract. I expect our Browns will sign Rubin to a similar one very soon.

[Luisito23]

No one deserves it more. I just hope he continues to play at a high level, especially now that he has another stud DT by his side.

[Ebenezer]

Ralph and the Bills get hammered all the time for being cheap...they deserve kudos when they lock up a player who deserves it. Now time to work on Stevie...
I don't hammer RW for being cheap. I hammer him for being a meddler...and an incompetent one.

Great signing, though.

[better days]

No one deserves it more. I just hope he continues to play at a high level, especially now that he has another stud DT by his side.

I just hope the Bills don't trade him for a 4th rnd pick in 2 years & tell us they are trying to improve the team.

[psubills62]

Fantastic, great to hear.

[BillsWin]

Brilliant. He deserves it.

[generalmills]

The bills did something right!!! Good deal for both sides, Williams deserved the money and the bills got away with a lower amount of gr. cash.

[Michael82]

That's great news! They got him for a pretty good price. Next up, get Stevie Johnson and Fred Jackson locked up.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

That's great news! They got him for a pretty good price. Next up, get Stevie Johnson and Fred Jackson locked up.

I don't care to pay Freddie. Over 30 rb that isn't elite. Unless Freddie accepts less than what Ahmad Bradshaw received. Ahmad is better and younger. 4 years 18 million, 9 guaranteed. Give him the same contract with only 5 guaranteed

[DANMAN]

Great move by the Bills!

Locked their best defender up for 6 years at a pretty reasonable rate.
Time to get a Kyle Williams jersey.

[jimbohastle51]

steve johnson is next and thats probably it for extensions for this season. if fitz gets exended it will be around week 6-8 or after the season. they are not paying him without some solid play.

[cocamide]

We'll trade him next year for a 5th rounder.

[YardRat]

Congrats to KW, well deserved.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Sound business decision. Steelers do this all the time. By friend working for an agency here used to tell me that they have a formula about signing extensions. I remember something like FAs are the most expensive, some percentage discounts for extending with one year left and more for extending with two years left - for clubs carrying more more risk.

[Blogabills]

I couldn't possibly be happier. And you just know by the type of player KW is that this won't go to his head.

If anything, he'll be even more motivated now. He's the kind of guy who talks about loyalty and means it. If it's at all possible, I see him being even more intense this year.

KW for 6 years, Dareus for at least 4-5 (right?). If the trenches truly matter in the NFL, and I think we'd all agree that they do, then I like where at least the DL will be for a long time.

[Blogabills]

Ralph and the Bills get hammered all the time for being cheap...they deserve kudos when they lock up a player who deserves it. Now time to work on Stevie...

Exactly.

There are those who might not bash them for being cheap but instead hiring incompetents, but for those who do have cheapness issues, I think this is at least a partial indicator Ralph does care something for this team still.

[zone]

I just hope the Bills don't trade him for a 4th rnd pick in 2 years & tell us they are trying to improve the team.
When did we trade away a pro bowler who was dominate at their position for a 4th rounder?

[better days]

When did we trade away a pro bowler who was dominate at their position for a 4th rounder?

Two years from now.

[BLeonard]

When did we trade away a pro bowler who was dominate at their position for a 4th rounder?

Marshawn Lynch was a Pro Bowler... What did the Bills get for him again?

-Bill

[zone]

Marshawn Lynch was a Pro Bowler... What did the Bills get for him again?

-Bill
Dominant Pro Bowler, funny.

2009 Buffalo Bills 13 6 120 450 3.8 47 2 28 179 6.4 35 0 3 1

[better days]

Dominant Pro Bowler, funny.

2009 Buffalo Bills 13 6 120 450 3.8 47 2 28 179 6.4 35 0 3 1

See this is just like the Evans crap. Post numbers Lynch put up with nothing said about the TERRIBLE OL the Bills have had for years.


Some people need to learn football is a TEAM sport.

[FlyingDutchman]

Is it too early to extend Dareus?

[bigbub2352]

Love the move...now kick him outside and have troup at NT and have carrington edwards and johnson rotating in....keep Heard as the Beef for goaline...and sneak jasper onto PS while he devlops...THats pass rush, size, and experaince and youth mix...dare i say depth?

[zone]

See this is just like the Evans crap. Post numbers Lynch put up with nothing said about the TERRIBLE OL the Bills have had for years.


Some people need to learn football is a TEAM sport.
Really so the 2 previous years (2007 & 2008) when he had over 1K rushing we had a good line?

[mayotm]

Really so the 2 previous years (2007 & 2008) when he had over 1K rushing we had a good line?Plus, he sucked for Seattle last year also. Sorry to chime and help turn a positive thread about a great player into another bitch fest.

[better days]

Really so the 2 previous years (2007 & 2008) when he had over 1K rushing we had a good line?

I would not call the O Line in 2007 & 2008 good, but MUCH BETTER than 2009.

2007: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2008: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Duke Preston/Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2009: LT: Demetrius Bell/Jonathan Scott
LG : Andy Levtrie-ROOKIE
C: Geof Hangartner
RG: Eric Wood-ROOKIE
RT: Kirk Chambers

[mayotm]

I would not call the O Line in 2007 & 2008 good, but MUCH BETTER than 2009.

2007: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2008: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Duke Preston/Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2009: LT: Demetrius Bell/Jonathan Scott
LG : Andy Levtrie-ROOKIE
C: Geof Hangartner
RG: Eric Wood-ROOKIE
RT: Kirk ChambersHow did Fred Jackson do behind the same line in 2009?

[better days]

Plus, he sucked for Seattle last year also. Sorry to chime and help turn a positive thread about a great player into another bitch fest.

You probably did not know or you would not have posted this, but Seattles OL last year was as bad if not worse than the Bills. Seattle has Hired Tom Cable to Coach the OL this year & changing many of the players on their OL.

[ServoBillieves]

Great signing, put a smile on my face this morning.

This guy has been special his entire career, and has been the stand out for the Bills defense when there has been little to be happy about.

Kudos to him, glad to hear he has a spot in the FO's heart, and let's make him, Dareus, and Edwards a filthy, filthy trio for years to come.

[mayotm]

You probably did not know or you would not have posted this, but Seattles OL last year was as bad if not worse than the Bills. Seattle has Hired Tom Cable to Coach the OL this year & changing many of the players on their OL.You have a certain perception of a few players that I just don't agree with. You want to blame poor o-line play for RB's not producing. You want to blame poor QB play for WR's not producing. Those things are certainly part of it, but the RB's and WR's you defend are at least partially accountable.

[better days]

How did Fred Jackson do behind the same line in 2009?

927 Yds, LESS than 1000 Yds.

[better days]

You have a certain perception of a few players that I just don't agree with. You want to blame poor o-line play for RB's not producing. You want to blame poor QB play for WR's not producing. Those things are certainly part of it, but the RB's and WR's you defend are at least partially accountable.

You & others want to make them FULLY accountable with no regard to the OL or QB. As I have said before wait until this year plays out then we will see who was right.

[mayotm]

927 Yds, LESS than 1000 Yds.Which was still 190 yards more than Lynch on only 20 more carries. Plus, Fred only had 20 carries through the first 4 games last year. So the fact that he came close to 1000 yards was a pretty damn good season. Frankly, I can't believe anybody would debate that Jackson was far more productive than Lynch.

[Blogabills]

I would not call the O Line in 2007 & 2008 good, but MUCH BETTER than 2009.

2007: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2008: LT: Jason Peters
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Duke Preston/Melvin Fowler
RG: Brad Butler
RT: Langston Walker

2009: LT: Demetrius Bell/Jonathan Scott
LG : Andy Levtrie-ROOKIE
C: Geof Hangartner
RG: Eric Wood-ROOKIE
RT: Kirk Chambers

Football Outsiders has a great stat called Adjusted Line Yards which, while not perfect, does a good job at tracking a line's run blocking while taking the individual RB out of the equation.

Here's their stuff for 2007 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2007), 2008 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2008), 2009 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2009).

24th in the league in 2007, 13th in 2008 and 12th in 2009 in ALY. All in all, statistically, there doesn't seem to be any argument that would hold water with the stats available to us that suggest that 2009 was anything but the BEST run blocking we've ever had, not the worst.

I'm not saying coaching doesn't have anything to do with it or that this stat is perfect, but the improvement is too wide to ignore.

[mayotm]

You & others want to make them FULLY accountable with no regard to the OL or QB. As I have said before wait until this year plays out then we will see who was right.Nope, I fully acknowledge that there are factors involved that impact players numbers. Who was right about what???

[better days]

Which was still 190 yards more than Lynch on only 20 more carries. Plus, Fred only had 20 carries through the first 4 games last year. So the fact that he came close to 1000 yards was a pretty damn good season. Frankly, I can't believe anybody would debate that Jackson was far more productive than Lynch.

In 2009, Jackson had over 100 more carries than Lynch.

I was not debating Jackson/Lynch, YOU started that debate. But here are my thoughts on the two of them. Jackson hits the hole hard & fast, that is his best attribute. His problem is he has no speed. Lynch dances around too much looking for the hole, but when he gets through the hole, is much faster than Jackson & much tougher to tackle.

On a team with a bad OL, I would take Jackson over Lynch.

On a team with a decent OL, I would take Lynch over Jackson.

[mayotm]

In 2009, Jackson had over 100 more carries than Lynch.OK. In 2009, Fred had 600 + more yards.

[better days]

Football Outsiders has a great stat called Adjusted Line Yards which, while not perfect, does a good job at tracking a line's run blocking while taking the individual RB out of the equation.

Here's their stuff for 2007 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2007), 2008 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2008), 2009 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2009).

24th in the league in 2007, 13th in 2008 and 12th in 2009 in ALY. All in all, statistically, there doesn't seem to be any argument that would hold water with the stats available to us that suggest that 2009 was anything but the BEST run blocking we've ever had, not the worst.

I'm not saying coaching doesn't have anything to do with it or that this stat is perfect, but the improvement is too wide to ignore.

The trouble with you stat boys is you read stats & think that equates to football, it does not. Watch the games, read about the games, but forget the stats. The ONLY stat that matters is Wins & Losses.

[better days]

Nope, I fully acknowledge that there are factors involved that impact players numbers. Who was right about what???

You did not acknowledge it at all until I brought it up.

[better days]

OK. In 2009, Fred had 600 + more yards.

Yeah well, he was the starter in 09 so that is not surprising. Lynch also missed the first 3 games in 09 because of suspension.

[Blogabills]

The trouble with you stat boys is you read stats & think that equates to football, it does not. Watch the games, read about the games, but forget the stats. The ONLY stat that matters is Wins & Losses.

You think I don't watch the games or read about them? I haven't missed a Bills game on TV or in person since 1987 (when I was 8). NFL Matchup is my favorite ESPN show, Smart Football is my favorite site on the web. All aspects of the sport fascinates me.

The question was about our 2007 line through our 2009 line. Someone listed a bunch of names and said one group was clearly better than the other. These stats added a dimension to that particular argument.

If the question were, "if the OL were the only thing that mattered to W-L ever" then I would indeed simply have cited W-L.

The only stat that matter is wins or losses? You don't think a QB's completion percentage plays into that, or a LB's ability to make plays near the line, or the number of drops a receiver has and when he has them?

I'm not using stats to tell the whole story. I'm using to add another element to the story. Willfully ignoring stats in favor of just your own objective observation, which is limited to at least 8 games a year on TV in which you don't see what every player on the field is doing at every second, is just willfully not looking at the whole picture.

Subjectively, I think Fred Jackson is a more talented running back than Marshawn. I think he's a better blocker, makes decisive cuts as opposed to Marshawn's constant shuffling around behind the line, and is more mature and a better team leader.

Objectively, I don't know if that's true. The human memory is incredibly flawed (http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html).

Why not use stats, which don't depend on memory alone, to help augment the story? Objectively, I see the stats out there and they show that Freddie J. is a more "successful" running back in almost every sense of the word, but I at least admit I can't quantify the intangibles.

I do not ignore observation and never will. Stats don't show you Kyle Williams' motor and passion. But observation doesn't tell us what every player did on every down, whereas play-by-play tracking does.

I've respected your opinions on these boards since I joined, man. I would hope you would be more open-minded to seeing that stats help flesh out a story, not dominate it. At least not from me.

[Blogabills]

Yeah well, he was the starter in 09 so that is not surprising. Lynch also missed the first 3 games in 09 because of suspension.

Lynch also had .7 fewer yards per carry than Jackson. Starter or not, stats-hater or not, there is no dispute in the NFL among stat-heads or non-stat-heads that Avg/Carry is important, and Lynch's was below 4, and Fred's was above league average.

But then we'll say, "he missed time practicing", yadda yadda. In which case we can just look at the fact that for his career, Lynch is below 4 yards a carry while Jackson for his career is above the league average. Again, we're not talking wins/losses because we're talking about these running backs in specific years. And there's just no doubt Freddie performed better than Marshawn did.

[superbills]

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[Blogabills]

An ode to the last page and a half in this thread....

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Fair 'nuff

[better days]

You think I don't watch the games or read about them? I haven't missed a Bills game on TV or in person since 1987 (when I was 8). NFL Matchup is my favorite ESPN show, Smart Football is my favorite site on the web. All aspects of the sport fascinates me.

The question was about our 2007 line through our 2009 line. Someone listed a bunch of names and said one group was clearly better than the other. These stats added a dimension to that particular argument.

If the question were, "if the OL were the only thing that mattered to W-L ever" then I would indeed simply have cited W-L.

The only stat that matter is wins or losses? You don't think a QB's completion percentage plays into that, or a LB's ability to make plays near the line, or the number of drops a receiver has and when he has them?

I'm not using stats to tell the whole story. I'm using to add another element to the story. Willfully ignoring stats in favor of just your own objective observation, which is limited to at least 8 games a year on TV in which you don't see what every player on the field is doing at every second, is just willfully not looking at the whole picture.

Subjectively, I think Fred Jackson is a more talented running back than Marshawn. I think he's a better blocker, makes decisive cuts as opposed to Marshawn's constant shuffling around behind the line, and is more mature and a better team leader.

Objectively, I don't know if that's true. The human memory is incredibly flawed (http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html).

Why not use stats, which don't depend on memory alone, to help augment the story? Objectively, I see the stats out there and they show that Freddie J. is a more "successful" running back in almost every sense of the word, but I at least admit I can't quantify the intangibles.

I do not ignore observation and never will. Stats don't show you Kyle Williams' motor and passion. But observation doesn't tell us what every player did on every down, whereas play-by-play tracking does.

I've respected your opinions on these boards since I joined, man. I would hope you would be more open-minded to seeing that stats help flesh out a story, not dominate it. At least not from me.

I was going from your previous post, it was all about stats. There are some people on this board that just love to quote stats. I myself hate them myself because they really don't say much.

You can quote stats that make Trent Edwards look like a good QB, but anyone that has seen him play knows he isn't.

[Blogabills]

I was going from your previous post, it was all about stats. There are some people on this board that just love to quote stats. I myself hate them myself because they really don't say much.

You can quote stats that make Trent Edwards look like a good QB, but anyone that has seen him play knows he isn't.

Just one more OT post from me.....

It was all about stats only because the previous points were tilted towards subjectivity. I agree Ws and Ls are the most important stat, but not the ONLY important stat.

And, even as the stat nut I am, I have never been able to run any analysis that claimed trent was any good, and even if I had, it'd be one part of the puzzle. His obvious incompetence from our limited view point is enough for me.

It was enough, in fact, that I put together a lowlight video on Trent (http://youtu.be/LGUV583eRzo) after he got released. (don't worry - the Benny Hill song only goes for a few seconds)...

[better days]

Just one more OT post from me.....

It was all about stats only because the previous points were tilted towards subjectivity. I agree Ws and Ls are the most important stat, but not the ONLY important stat.

And, even as the stat nut I am, I have never been able to run any analysis that claimed trent was any good, and even if I had, it'd be one part of the puzzle. His obvious incompetence from our limited view point is enough for me.

It was enough, in fact, that I put together a lowlight video on Trent (http://youtu.be/LGUV583eRzo) after he got released. (don't worry - the Benny Hill song only goes for a few seconds)...

Great Job on that Video.

[Blogabills]

Great Job on that Video.

Thanks buddy.

The funny thing is YouTube let's you see where the referral links to the video come from.

Both times, when he went to Jax, then Oak, I started seeing links to the video from message boards of Jaguars/Raiders fans debating how good/bad he was.

Always made me laugh.