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  • BLeonard
    BoB Sabermetrician
    • Jan 2003
    • 4625

    Patriots add G Brian Waters

    Perennial Pro-Bowl guard Brian Waters and the Patriots reached an agreement that will give New England the help it has been seeking at right guard.


    The fact that New England did a deal now with Waters rather than waiting until after the regular season begins indicates they have big plans for him this season.
    Yet another offensive lineman that was available, that the Bills apparently didn't even contact, that a contending team thought enough of to bring in and get a deal done.

    -Bill
  • Night Train
    Retired - On Several Levels
    • Jul 2005
    • 33117

    #2
    Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

    I'm looking at a pure C or an OT.

    Not a Guard.
    Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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    • RoscoeMagic
      Registered User
      • Aug 2008
      • 1831

      #3
      Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

      Fresh meat for Dareus and Kyle
      Internet Breeds Complacency.

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      • NOT THE DUDE...
        Hall of Fame Zoner
        • Jan 2010
        • 8826

        #4
        Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

        Originally posted by BLeonard
        http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...d-brian-waters



        Yet another offensive lineman that was available, that the Bills apparently didn't even contact, that a contending team thought enough of to bring in and get a deal done.

        -Bill
        he wasnt coming here as a backup, and urbik is younger with good potential. would make no sense to sign him...

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        • YardRat
          Well, lookie here...
          • Dec 2004
          • 86282

          #5
          Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

          Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
          he wasnt coming here as a backup, and urbik is younger with good potential. would make no sense to sign him...
          Except for the fact that Urbik SUCKS.
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          • NOT THE DUDE...
            Hall of Fame Zoner
            • Jan 2010
            • 8826

            #6
            Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

            Originally posted by YardRat
            Except for the fact that Urbik SUCKS.
            do u enjoy talking out of your ass??

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            • Dr. Lecter
              Zero for Zero!
              • Mar 2003
              • 67946

              #7
              Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

              Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
              do u enjoy talking out of your ass??
              Ummmmmm.....

              Oh forget it.
              Originally posted by mysticsoto
              Lecter is right in everything he said.

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86282

                #8
                Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
                do u enjoy talking out of your ass??
                If I was talking out of my ass, I would of said "he wasnt coming here as a backup, and urbik is younger with good potential. would make no sense to sign him...".
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                • NOT THE DUDE...
                  Hall of Fame Zoner
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 8826

                  #9
                  Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                  Originally posted by YardRat
                  If I was talking out of my ass, I would of said "he wasnt coming here as a backup, and urbik is younger with good potential. would make no sense to sign him...".
                  waters is 34 and going downhill. why take away development of urbik? he played well last year, he played solid this preseason. seriously, the waters signing makes no sense. now signing a solid ot as depth would make sense. that i can agree with. we dont need any interior lineman. we are set there...

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                  • YardRat
                    Well, lookie here...
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 86282

                    #10
                    Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                    Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
                    waters is 34 and going downhill. why take away development of urbik? he played well last year, he played solid this preseason. seriously, the waters signing makes no sense. now signing a solid ot as depth would make sense. that i can agree with. we dont need any interior lineman. we are set there...
                    Urbik can develop during practice and spot duty.
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                    #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                    • NOT THE DUDE...
                      Hall of Fame Zoner
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 8826

                      #11
                      Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                      Originally posted by YardRat
                      Urbik can develop during practice and spot duty.
                      ill trust nix instead of a limbaugh follower...

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                      • BLeonard
                        BoB Sabermetrician
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4625

                        #12
                        Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                        Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
                        ill trust nix instead of a limbaugh follower...
                        Good, then you'll love this quote...

                        "We don't have enough offensive linemen. We don't have enough depth," Nix told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "Our guys are a work in progress."


                        Yet except for a 4th round pick and a swing and a miss on Clabo, they have done ZERO on the offensive line.

                        Any way you slice it, the offensive line was a mess when Gailey and Nix got here, by their own admission.

                        Yet after two offseasons and two drafts, they still haven't found what many would consider NFL starters, especially at the OT positions. There were obviously guys out there, as perennial contenders like the Patriots and Ravens were able to go out and upgrade their lines, yet, these guys apparently weren't good enough for the Bills to even consider...

                        -Bill

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                        • NOT THE DUDE...
                          Hall of Fame Zoner
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 8826

                          #13
                          Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                          Originally posted by BLeonard
                          Good, then you'll love this quote...





                          Yet except for a 4th round pick and a swing and a miss on Clabo, they have done ZERO on the offensive line.

                          Any way you slice it, the offensive line was a mess when Gailey and Nix got here, by their own admission.

                          Yet after two offseasons and two drafts, they still haven't found what many would consider NFL starters, especially at the OT positions. There were obviously guys out there, as perennial contenders like the Patriots and Ravens were able to go out and upgrade their lines, yet, these guys apparently weren't good enough for the Bills to even consider...

                          -Bill
                          apparently you cant read, nix talked about depth, not starters! waters wasnt coming here as a backup. our starters are fine and hairston and rinehart are solid for the active 7 on sunday. most teams only keep 3 lineman as backups, so the only upgrade that will be possible is probably adding another ot to replace brown. this just in, there is nothing out there man. again, adding waters makes no sense.
                          Last edited by NOT THE DUDE...; 09-04-2011, 05:54 PM.

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                          • BLeonard
                            BoB Sabermetrician
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4625

                            #14
                            Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                            Originally posted by MARCELL DAREUS POWER
                            apparently you cant read, nix talked about depth, not starters! waters wasnt coming here as a backup. our starters are fine and hairston and rinehart are solid for the active 7 on sunday. most teams only keep 3 lineman as backups, so the only upgrade that will be possible is probably adding another ot to replace brown. this just in, there is nothing out there man. again, adding waters makes no sense.
                            If there was "nothing out there," how were the Baltimore Ravens able to bring in THREE (3) offensive linemen (Levoir, McKinnie and Gurode) to their team, while we added NOTHING.

                            The "there is nothing out there" argument is complete BS... Baltimore found three players that improved their team... In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens are a pretty good team... Yet, they found players to get better. The Bills, meanwhile, sat on their hands.

                            Also, if our backups are as "solid" as you claim, why were they shuffling the line on a daily basis... Did you even read the article I posted?

                            "Honestly, I don't really know what their plan is," Levitre said. "It's frustrating, but you've got to keep going out there and working hard and getting better. That's the big thing: I've got to prove to them that I can still play."
                            Levitre, I have to assume, is one of those "starters" that "are fine." meanwhile, he is being shuffled all over the line. He's been at LG, got demoted, then got moved to LT... Signing a guy like LeVoir or McKinnie would allow more flexibility, so they don't have to put their starting LG at LT.

                            They might not have wanted McKinnie or LeVoir at the price that they cost (even though neither got too huge of a deal), but don't try to say "nobody's out there." When teams like the Ravens and Patriots can find upgrades, there's no reason the Bills, who have a much lower talent level, shouldn't be able to find an upgrade as well, whether it be an upgrade to your backups, or an upgrade to the starters, which moves a starter to a backup and upgrades the backups that way.

                            -Bill
                            Last edited by BLeonard; 09-04-2011, 06:14 PM.

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                            • NOT THE DUDE...
                              Hall of Fame Zoner
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 8826

                              #15
                              Re: Patriots add G Brian Waters

                              Originally posted by BLeonard
                              If there was "nothing out there," how were the Baltimore Ravens able to bring in THREE (3) offensive linemen (Levoir, McKinnie and Gurode) to their team, while we added NOTHING.

                              The "there is nothing out there" argument is complete BS... Baltimore found three players that improved their team... In case you haven't noticed, the Ravens are a pretty good team... Yet, they found players to get better. The Bills, meanwhile, sat on their hands.

                              Also, if our backups are as "solid" as you claim, why were they shuffling the line on a daily basis... Did you even read the article I posted?



                              Levitre, I have to assume, is one of those "starters" that "are fine." meanwhile, he is being shuffled all over the line. He's been at LG, got demoted, then got moved to LT... Signing a guy like LeVoir or McKinnie would allow more flexibility, so they don't have to put their starting LG at LT.

                              They might not have wanted McKinnie or LeVoir at the price that they cost (even though neither got too huge of a deal), but don't try to say "nobody's out there." When teams like the Ravens and Patriots can find upgrades, there's no reason the Bills, who have a much lower talent level, shouldn't be able to find an upgrade as well, whether it be an upgrade to your backups, or an upgrade to the starters, which moves a starter to a backup and upgrades the backups that way.

                              -Bill
                              Mckinnie is 600lbs and sucked last year. hes older and not a better option than bell or even hairston as the backup swing tackle. again, levoir is a backup, is he really better than our 3 backups? again, ill trust nix. i think you want to add someone to just add someone.

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