Is this the 1st time that a road 1-3 team is favored over a 3-1 home team?

[Skooby]

I just wonder how a 3-1 home team is a underdog to a 1-3 road team ?? The Bills have only been favored in one game at Cincy & lost it, so is the book putting emotion before reality ?? We beat the Patriots at home, yet Philly poses a higher risk of defeat for the Bills ?

Anyone even think this is right & if so why ??

[SabreEleven]

This is right...it takes more than 3 wins to overcome 10 plus years of suckiness..

[Skooby]

This is right...it takes more than 3 wins to overcome 10 plus years of suckiness..

So your saying that this line is based on the past & not on the present, is that how the line is made (Previous History over 10 years) ?

[Pinkerton Security]

So your saying that this line is based on the past & not on the present, is that how the line is made (Previous History over 10 years) ?

it is based on the fact that the eagles have mike vick, lesean mccoy, desean jackson, jeremy maclin, asomugha, etc.

they are extremely talented, just havent put it together yet. besides, i prefer winning as underdogs :;

[Skooby]

it is based on the fact that the eagles have mike vick, lesean mccoy, desean jackson, jeremy maclin, asomugha, etc.

they are extremely talented, just havent put it together yet. besides, i prefer winning as underdogs :;

Does this mean that the Bills are talentless or that previous acts by the Eagles players combined are creating a chemistry of winning ?? We're playing a 1-3 team that hasn't found a way of utilizing who they have to win & they're on the road, are they supposed to get it together better with more noise (12th man) screaming ??

I cannot see how a Eagles team that can't play together well, with obvious flaws on their lines can go on the road & beat a Bills team that has beaten NE / OR who are as talented that have been playing better.

[Mr. Pink]

Because on paper, the Eagles should easily beat us by about 10.

It's a good thing games aren't played on paper.

[Skooby]

Because on paper, the Eagles should easily beat us by about 10.

It's a good thing games aren't played on paper.

See our last Cincy game as an example of paper win versus field loss.

[Mr. Pink]

See our last Cincy game as an example of paper win versus field loss.


Or our victory vs the Pats.

Exactly.

[Skooby]

Or our victory vs the Pats.

Exactly.

I think a foot always on the gas theory needs to be a standing motto of Chan / crew. I watched Aaron Rodgers stay on the field & pass while up by 25 points, that really got me thinking that it's always on until 00:00. That's a good way to live, always be ready.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I think a foot always on the gas theory needs to be a standing motto of Chan / crew. I watched Aaron Rodgers stay on the field & pass while up by 25 points, that really got me thinking that it's always on until 00:00. That's a good way to live, always be ready.

Always Be Closing.

[Pinkerton Security]

Does this mean that the Bills are talentless or that previous acts by the Eagles players combined are creating a chemistry of winning ?? We're playing a 1-3 team that hasn't found a way of utilizing who they have to win & they're on the road, are they supposed to get it together better with more noise (12th man) screaming ??

I cannot see how a Eagles team that can't play together well, with obvious flaws on their lines can go on the road & beat a Bills team that has beaten NE / OR who are as talented that have been playing better.

where did i say that we were talentless? i actually said we were gonna win, so take it easy bud.

and if you truly think we're as talented as the eagles and that there is no way they can win, then our first 3 wins have got you a little bit too excited. we play well together and may be a more cohesive bunch but we are not as talented top to bottom as the eagles.

[BillsWin]

We lost to the Cincinnati Bengals... We haven't earned the right to be favored.


What does it matter anyway? If we win it doesn't matter if we were favored or if we were the underdogs.

I'm ok with flying under the radar.

[Skooby]

where did i say that we were talentless? i actually said we were gonna win, so take it easy bud.

and if you truly think we're as talented as the eagles and that there is no way they can win, then our first 3 wins have got you a little bit too excited. we play well together and may be a more cohesive bunch but we are not as talented top to bottom as the eagles.

I mistook your points so I apologize ahead of time. Your inference of those Eagles players that have so much talent than the Bills players meant to me that the Bills players are less or under-talented to handle them, is that not what you meant ?

Another factor is that individual talent & a team's cohesive talent may not find the same ground. One other thing is, please don't tell me how excited I am or not. I don't know you & you seem to like to grind a touch, like a few on here I'm picking up.

I'm excited that the Bills are doing well, just for the record.

[trapezeus]

i think when people put money on the table (as the spreads and favorites suggest), you need to show a history of winning. The odds makers aren't going to go with the flavor of the month. Just like your life insurance policy isn't going to watch your cholestrol go down from 280 to 270 and get excited that you aren't still most likely going to cause them a payout.

It's good news, but you need the history to makes the odds makers to feel like you are worth backing. if they make the bills the favorites, it becomes a no brainer for a lot of people who don't follow the two teams to say, "i trust vick over fitz and reid over gailey." The books gets blown out to skew on side and if there is an upset, they are screwed.

that's why its happening in this case.

[psubills62]

I believe we were favored against the Raiders as well...I want to say the line was Buffalo -3.5.

It's still early enough in the season when people also still believe that records don't necessarily reflect how good the team really is. Especially for the Eagles.

[Forward_Lateral]

They were favoured vs the Raiders.

[ServoBillieves]

The interesting part of this thread is that you put "respect" in it.

[christhebillsfan783]

I perfer when this team is not expected to win. They come out much hungrier. They came out favored after a big win last week and came out flat. Not sure how much the point spreads affect the players mindsets but it is what it is. This will be a good test after a not so good outing last week. Hope we can muster up some offense early and keep our D off the field for a while. I would be extremely happy to see us run the ball as much as possible. Kill the clock and keep the momentum.

[Mike]

So your saying that this line is based on the past & not on the present, is that how the line is made (Previous History over 10 years) ?


I just wonder how a 3-1 home team is a underdog to a 1-3 road team ?? The Bills have only been favored in one game at Cincy & lost it, so is the book putting emotion before reality ?? We beat the Patriots at home, yet Philly poses a higher risk of defeat for the Bills ?
Anyone even think this is right & if so why ??

Seems like you are basing things on history too only to argue that things should not be based on history.

[tampabay25690]

Lines are based on many different things.
Home field, last game, record, and yes past record.
Vegas also sets lines on where the public will bet as well...
Phili is favored due to the fact this is considered a MUST WIN game.
If Buffalo wins this game after that tuff loss you will see Buffalo favored much more after this....

I think that Phili is favored because they feel the public will bet harder on Phili then buffalo....
I actually like the fact that the Bills are a dog at home and the spread is under 3....

I will go on my site later and tell u the trends for the game so far..

[Skooby]

Seems like you are basing things on history too only to argue that things should not be based on history.

True, it seems like an inconsistent argument but I am referring to recent history (this season) , which seemed like a given to go by. If it was all based on a decade long history, I would just assume we lose them all & catch a break here & there.

[Oaf]

This matchup makes me sick to the stomach and I think the Eagles will score at will (30+). Apparently the oddsmakers agree.

[trapezeus]

to put my early rambling post succinctly, the odds and lines are based on getting even participation on both sides of bet. Therefore, it's not that they care who is better. they care on what makes the betting more even.

In this case, public perception is that the eagles are just not clicking and that the bills are a little lucky. once perception changes, the odds and lines change.

[imbondz]

The only reason people say they 'prefer when this team is the underdog' or 'not expected to win' either wasn't around in the early 90's, or forgot that feeling of 'of course the Bills are going to win this Sunday, i'd be shocked if they didn't'

[stuckincincy]

Don't bet on the game, regardless of the spread. Never, ever, fork out dough on a PHI Eagles game.

Never.

[Homegrown]

Is this a rhetorical question?

[Ingtar33]

I just wonder how a 3-1 home team is a underdog to a 1-3 road team ?? The Bills have only been favored in one game at Cincy & lost it, so is the book putting emotion before reality ?? We beat the Patriots at home, yet Philly poses a higher risk of defeat for the Bills ?

Anyone even think this is right & if so why ??

10 years no playoffs
7 years, no winning seasons
We just lost straight up to the Bengals
Vegas odds makers set the lines to where people are putting money.

In short. Why the hell would anyone put money on the Bills? You need to win to get respect.

[tampabay25690]

Most lines are based on Trends as well.
You look at the past 10 years vs the team (Phili), at home, after a loss, after a road loss, after a home loss, etc......

Last week most of you thought and were absolutely correct that the line was set as a TRAP game...
I usually like Home teams that are a underdog by 3 points or less....
If you look at this weeks NFL there are many Home Dogs. Atlanta, Buffalo, Carolina, and Denver.

As of right now the Bills game is at Phili -3. Line has not budged at all.
If you look at the over/Under the total started at 48.5 and has already moved up to 50. The whole country thinks it will be high scoring. I actually think it may go under. I see both teams pounding the rock and running the clock.

Some trends I will give you.
I used this back in the day which was very helpful when making the pick....

Since 1992 Buffalo is 3-2 against the spread VS phili
And also 3-2 straight up Vs Phili.

In the 5 matchups 4 out of the 5 have GONE under the total.
In the 2 matchups that were in Buffalo both hit the Under.
When I saw lines that were +3 or -3 and if the public moved the line around that 67% I would make a move the other way.


Here are the betting trends as of tonite out of Vegas.

Phili -3 66% of the public is on them
Buffalo +3 34% of the public is on them

The Over 96% of the public is on them
The Under 4% of the public is on them.
WOW like the under more and more..................................

Look for the O/U to drop at least 1 point by Sunday.

Actually I am seeing that offshore casinos have Phili -2.

Well I just gave you a 101 on lines making.
Vegas and the linemakers control all.....
$$$$ rule all sports remember that..

GO BILLS........

[Das_Bills]

its easy they dont Billieve

[TedMock]

People have already mentioned how the odds makers operate. It's not just as simple as who we think is better. While Buffalo has won 3 games, they still have to prove that they are a consistent and real team. Philly has been struggling lately, but there is no denying that they have quite a bit of talent and there should not be any shock if they suddenly start putting things together. I also would not be shocked if frustration got the best of them and they tanked. It is still unknown! But the talent is there and their backs are against the wall now. I think they could be very dangerous and I think a lot of people are picking Philly. Buffalo has not finished a season in years and people are rightfully skeptical. Coffee's for closets, Mitch.

[Skooby]

Coffee's for closers, Mitch.

I can relate to this, thanks.

[DynaPaul]

Come on guys - Philly's the Dream Team! Didn't you know?

[scartown]

Eagles first team since at least 1990 with 1 or less wins (after 4 games) to be a ROAD FAVORITE over a team with 3 or more wins (after 4 games).

[Skooby]

Eagles first team since at least 1990 with 1 or less wins (after 4 games) to be a ROAD FAVORITE over a team with 3 or more wins (after 4 games).

Wow, did you look this up??