GDT: Hurricanes @ Sabres

[Skooby]

Let's go Sabres, let's go !!

[Crisis]

can someone PM me BSN's stream link?

[SabreEleven]

I have to watch this game on stupid Carolina station because DishNetwork still sucks donkey's

[Crisis]

http://www8.livetv.ru/webplayer.php?t=castamp&c=extremehockey58&lang=en&eid=90760&lid=761&ci=2&si=2

MSG feed

[SabreEleven]

2-1 BUFFALO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crisis]

random thoughts so far-

ward looks pretty shaky. keep throwing pucks at the net he's giving up a lot of rebounds.

erhoff is so smooth in the offensive zone. gonna be so much fun watching him for the next decade.

[OpIv37]

are you ****ing kidding me? another ****ing shorty? All the money we spent in the off-season and we still haven't fixed this?

I'm ****ing livid right now- that better not be the difference in the game.

This team is fast as hell but they seem to be out of position far too often. So far, Miller is keeping them in the game, which was their problem for the last 3 years. Miller can't do it himself.

[Crisis]

really? miller has looked pretty average so far.

sabres carried the play most of the period, carolina has gotten a few lucky bounces to tie it up. too many out man rushes given up though

[Crisis]

ward settled down and is completely outplaying miller now

[YardRat]

Miller looks weak and the team as a whole looks sloppy.

[OpIv37]

2 shorties against should be an automatic forfeit. Inexcusable and embarrassing.

[OpIv37]

And Maurice is a douche for whining about those penalties. His guy dropped the gloves first.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Does Erhoff actually put pucks on net?

[OpIv37]

this is just embarrassing. Losing by allowing two shorties is inexcusable.

So much for playing a full 60 min. It lasted 2 whole games.

[OpIv37]

Oh, and I have free CI but I still have to watch the Carolina feed, despite the fact that the Sabres are at home. WTF?

[MikeInRoch]

Wow. That's a lot of stored up venom. Must be because it's hard to complain about the Bills lately.

[OpIv37]

Either that, or it could be because the majority of this board declared us Stanley Cup champs after two games. Take your pick.

[MikeInRoch]

So you are pissed at the Sabres because of something a couple people posted here? I don't buy that for a second.

[SabreEleven]

I'm pissed they aren't going 82-0

[OpIv37]

No, I'm pissed that they allowed two shorties and have been completely outplayed on S/T.

And, despite the off-season changes and the first two games, the shorty problem and inability to play a full 60 min still hasn't been fixed from last year.

[OpIv37]

And the lack of PP goals has resurfaced as well. So much for the dream season. Too many ghosts have resurfaced already.

[Meathead]

lmao

oh nos game three down by a goal with half a period to play

seasons over

[Crisis]

ennis looks like ****

i wonder if he gets benched when hecht is back

[OpIv37]

Carolina is putting on an S/T clinic. Embarrassing and inexcusable.

[SabreEleven]

Miller is saving their ass this period

[OpIv37]

lmao

oh nos game three down by a goal with half a period to play

seasons over
Yup. Key problems from last year just resurfaced. In the third ****ing game.

[OpIv37]

Miller is saving their ass this period
Same **** different day, or different season. Whatever.

[MikeInRoch]

I can't believe how much b****ing you are doing before they've even lost a single game. Unreal.

[OpIv37]

Just wait til tomorrow when the struggles in back to back games resurfaces and we're back to 2-2-0.

[pjw]

Op, please turn the channel.

[OpIv37]

I can't believe how much b****ing you are doing before they've even lost a single game. Unreal.
Jump on board now, when the smart people see it, or jump on board later when it's painfully obvious. Your choice.

[Crisis]

don't see us beating ward before the period is up

[pjw]

Tie Game!!!

[Crisis]

don't see us beating ward before the period is up

reverse jinx works

[Meathead]

ive said it a bajillion times but as long as they make the playoffs i dont care where they get in. the presidents trophy is an albatross, so third or fourth in the conf would be fine. but if **** goes wrong and they come in at eighth i dont even care

boston was an average playoff team and proved my point perfectly - the team that gets hot at the right time is going to win the cup. this team is as good as we have ever had here, so as long as they get in its all good

and as i say that staff scores

[Crisis]

no way we can beat ward twice before the period is up!

[Meathead]

don't see us beating ward before the period is up
:lolpoint: cris

[MikeInRoch]

Jump on board now, when the smart people see it, or jump on board later when it's painfully obvious. Your choice.

The smart people say if they continue to win 2 out of 3, they will be just fine.

[SabreEleven]

3-3, now we are back to winning the Cup

[OpIv37]

Carolina PP goal coming up. Buffalo S/T outclassed tonight.

[Meathead]

ah poop

[OpIv37]

Lmao. Vanek ****s us and I'm right. Again.

[SabreEleven]

4-3 now we are back to not making the playoffs

[Crisis]

we get it op, you like to be right more than you like to win

[MikeInRoch]

Lmao. Vanek ****s us and I'm right. Again.

Well, we know that's the only reason you post. To show that you are smarter than everyone else.

[SabreEleven]

Vanek did have the hat trick tonight...two ****ups leading to SH goals and the penalty leading to the GW winning goal.

[Meathead]

Well, we know that's the only reason you post. To show that you are smarter than everyone else.
now thats not fair

he likes to show that when things go wrong he is righter than everyone else

[Meathead]

hey check it out, somehow i thanked myself! post 35

[Meathead]

but tbh i do think im awesome

[Philagape]

I thought they were going to go 82-0 :sad:

[OpIv37]

we get it op, you like to be right more than you like to win


Well, we know that's the only reason you post. To show that you are smarter than everyone else.

Neither of these posts could be further from the truth.

But you people insisted on jumping on me because I saw the reality before you did.

Our highest paid player drew the penalty that led to the game winning goal and failed to score on an opportunity that would have negated his previous ****-up.

The PP issues- lack of scoring and giving up shorties- that haunted us last year resurfaced in the third ****ing game.

But hey- call me out for seeing it before you did before calling the team out for ****ing up the home opener.

Whatever the **** helps you sleep at night.

[OpIv37]

I thought they were going to go 82-0 :sad:

no one EVER said that.

But losing a game by giving up 2 shorties is inexcusable. Period.

[Philagape]

Well I predict every other loss will be excusable! Like all the other teams!

[OpIv37]

Well I predict every other loss will be excusable! Like all the other teams!

Again- mocking me instead of acknowledging the reality of what happened tonight.

Look, I don't like it either but it is what it is. Lingering issues are still haunting this team. You can desperately try to make it look like it's hyperbole, or you can call it like it is. I really don't care, because reality will be painfully obvious soon enough.

[Philagape]

Why is tonight more of a reality than the first two games?

[OpIv37]

Why is tonight more of a reality than the first two games?

because tonight reflected long-standing problems that haven't been solved.

One game this year and a whole ****load of games the last couple of years trumps 2 games this year vs a minority of games the last couple of years.

[Skooby]

Neither of these posts could be further from the truth.

But you people insisted on jumping on me because I saw the reality before you did.

Our highest paid player drew the penalty that led to the game winning goal and failed to score on an opportunity that would have negated his previous ****-up.

The PP issues- lack of scoring and giving up shorties- that haunted us last year resurfaced in the third ****ing game.

But hey- call me out for seeing it before you did before calling the team out for ****ing up the home opener.

Whatever the **** helps you sleep at night.

You dead on called it & have recently said that Vanek needs to earn his huge salary, I'm for one of the mindset that he hurts as much as he helps. He gets lazy & careless with his stick & only needed to keep the Canes deep. Vanek wet the bed & OP warned you it was coming, so deal with it.

[Philagape]

This happened in a majority of games last year? :huh:

[psubills62]

Just wait til tomorrow when the struggles in back to back games resurfaces and we're back to 2-2-0.
Because it's impossible to recover from 2 losses when you have an 82 game season?

[OpIv37]

This happened in a majority of games last year? :huh:

Yup.

We were 2nd to last in SHG-against last year.

[Skooby]

Why is tonight more of a reality than the first two games?

Players take shifts off & get lazy. How can you allow nearly 4 short-handed goals, my god. If you're cycling the puck low, it just can't happen. We constantly need these outside shots on screens instead of walking it in, in maddening & lazy. Puke Hockey tonight with no effort, I hope the players enjoyed their week of drinking & eating.

[OpIv37]

Because it's impossible to recover from 2 losses when you have an 82 game season?

The number of losses isn't the relevant factor here. It's SHG against and lack of proficiency on the PP and lack of scoring from the top paid player (Vanek).

[Skooby]

Yup.

We were 2nd to last in SHG-against last year.

We were & it shows sloppy / lazy play during that time, it's poor coaching & putting the wrong people on the ice to control the play. I for one am not liking Vanek tonight especially, he singlehandedly lost us the game.

[hydro]

The whole idea of "playing 60 mins" is a bunch of horse ****. No team in the league plays good for all 60 mins of a game consistently. Players bring it up constantly just as a excuse and something to strive for.

[psubills62]

The number of losses isn't the relevant factor here. It's SHG against and lack of proficiency on the PP and lack of scoring from the top paid player (Vanek).
Number of losses isn't the relevant factor? This from the guy who talks about how wins are all that matters, no moral victories (no moral losses either), etc.? Sure....

[Skooby]

The whole idea of "playing 60 mins" is a bunch of horse ****. No team in the league plays good for all 60 mins of a game consistently. Players bring it up constantly just as a excuse and something to strive for.

You don't mail it in during the last 2:00 of a game you just tied, what was Vanek doing with his stick no where near the puck??

[MikeInRoch]

lack of scoring from the top paid player (Vanek).

Yeah, he's only on pace for 164 points this season. He sucks.

[hydro]

SABRES SHGA. 8
BRUINS SHGA. 4

There you have it folks, that is why we didn't win the cup last season.

[OpIv37]

The whole idea of "playing 60 mins" is a bunch of horse ****. No team in the league plays good for all 60 mins of a game consistently. Players bring it up constantly just as a excuse and something to strive for.

Cop out. Define "consistently." The teams that win play a full 60 min more often than not. For the last 4 years, the Sabres have been plagued by NOT playing a full 60 min more often than they do, which is why they are perennial runners-up.

[Skooby]

Number of losses isn't the relevant factor? This from the guy who talks about how wins are all that matters, no moral victories (no moral losses either), etc.? Sure....

Statistically speaking we suck. If you think your going to give up 2 SHG & win, your nuts. Add in the fact that our PP did 0 & Vanek was lazy, we couldn't of won.

We need a complete ST unit overhaul, it's brutal from front to back. How many PP goals did we allow besides SH goals?? Oh that's right, everyone one Carolina had tonight.

[OpIv37]

SABRES SHGA. 8
BRUINS SHGA. 4

There you have it folks, that is why we didn't win the cup last season.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20112ALLSAAALL&sort=goalsAgainst5On4&viewName=goalsAgainst

Sabres had 12 SHG against vs 4 for the Bruins last season.

If you don't think that makes a difference in terms of playoff positioning, you're nuts.

you're also quoting inaccurate stats to make your point.

[Philagape]

Yup.

We were 2nd to last in SHG-against last year.

Well they allowed 13 SHGA ... so at most that's in 15.8 percent of their games. Not quite a majority

[OpIv37]

Number of losses isn't the relevant factor? This from the guy who talks about how wins are all that matters, no moral victories (no moral losses either), etc.? Sure....

yes, number of losses against AFTER 3 GAMES is not a relevant factor. The more important factors are the things that are going to be long-term trends, like SHG against, lack of scoring on the PP and inability to perform for a full 60 min.

[hydro]

Cop out. Define "consistently." The teams that win play a full 60 min more often than not. For the last 4 years, the Sabres have been plagued by NOT playing a full 60 min more often than they do, which is why they are perennial runners-up.

There is no statistical data to back this up. Unless you watched every other team you have no true idea of how often teams "play 60 mins".

[Skooby]

Well they allowed 13 SHGA ... so at most that's in 15.8 percent of their games. Not quite a majority

How did the SH goals help us tonight?? How about our PK unit, feeling good about them?? OP is pointing out specific flaws which are dead to right obvious to me as well. Vanek made some plays in Europe but he ate from Duzeldorf to Duffs, that's obvious.

[OpIv37]

There is no statistical data to back this up. Unless you watched every other team you have no true idea of how often teams "play 60 mins".

lmao- go ahead and take the time to do the statistics if you want. I guarantee you will lose.

[Philagape]

How did the SH goals help us tonight?? How about our PK unit, feeling good about them?? OP is pointing out specific flaws which are dead to right obvious to me as well. Vanek made some plays in Europe but he ate from Duzeldorf to Duffs, that's obvious.

And they lost the game. It happens. They will lose more. So far they've won more than they've lost, which they did last year too, and I'm going to wait and see how the new players and a full season with the new owner go before I throw any tantrums.

And the PK is 11-for-13 so far, so I'm not ready to jump off a bridge about it.

[Skooby]

lmao- go ahead and take the time to do the statistics if you want. I guarantee you will lose.

I think it goes without needing to review anything, you can't take major stretches off during an NHL game, ever.

[hydro]

lmao- go ahead and take the time to do the statistics if you want. I guarantee you will lose.
Roflcopter! That is my point it is impossible and a flawed way of thinking.

[Skooby]

Roflcopter! That is my point it is impossible and a flawed way of thinking.

During the playoffs, it gets you knocked out in the first round.

[hydro]

Wow we have two Opivs now. This should be a fun season :rolleyes:

[OpIv37]

Roflcopter! That is my point it is impossible and a flawed way of thinking.

Cop out.

[psubills62]

yes, number of losses against AFTER 3 GAMES is not a relevant factor. The more important factors are the things that are going to be long-term trends, like SHG against, lack of scoring on the PP and inability to perform for a full 60 min.
Oh, right, so AFTER 3 GAMES you can determine what's going to be long term trends? Which happen to be all poor things and all things that happened pretty much in one game. Yeah, you're right - because extrapolation always works.

[Skooby]

Wow we have two Opivs now. This should be a fun season :rolleyes:

No I just agree that you don't knock a guy for pointing out things that are right in front of you that happen later. I'm cool & find OP a very smart guy with a hair crossed, that doesn't make him a bad guy.

[OpIv37]

Oh, right, so AFTER 3 GAMES you can determine what's going to be long term trends? Which happen to be all poor things and all things that happened pretty much in one game. Yeah, you're right - because extrapolation always works.

Except the flaw in your logic is that it's NOT just 1 game. It's 3 games this year plus the last couple of years. When the sample size is that large, extrapolation is pretty damn accurate.

[Skooby]

Except the flaw in your logic is that it's NOT just 1 game. It's 3 games this year plus the last couple of years. When the sample size is that large, extrapolation is pretty damn accurate.



"This one's on me," Vanek said.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabres-nhl/article594126.ece

[psubills62]

Except the flaw in your logic is that it's NOT just 1 game. It's 3 games this year plus the last couple of years. When the sample size is that large, extrapolation is pretty damn accurate.
Not really. There might be a lot of the same players, but it's still a different team.

[psubills62]

Just wait til tomorrow when the struggles in back to back games resurfaces and we're back to 2-2-0.
I think I've found the flaw in Op's logic.

[Skooby]

I think I've found the flaw in Op's logic.

Well we're 3-1, so there isn't much to discuss.