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Maximilli
10-26-2011, 10:27 AM
Do u guys think Merriman wont b a bill next year he is under contract rite? will they waive or give him another shot. They say he is having surgery i don't think he had surgery on it before. i think he only tried resting it
psubills62
10-26-2011, 10:37 AM
I believe he does have one more year on his contract.
It may come down to how he responds to surgery over the offseason. If he comes back to minicamps and isn't looking very good, they may cut him. Not sure if he has any bonuses coming to him during the offseason.
He probably won't be on Buffalo next year. I think they'll get enough other OLB's to push him off the roster.
Your English teacher should be fired.
Maximilli
10-26-2011, 10:42 AM
Hope they keep him i think he still has it
Jan Reimers
10-26-2011, 10:42 AM
I think it will boil down to money. If we can save money and avoid a big cap hit, he's probably gone. I hold out little hope that he can actually be a productive player again.
Maximilli
10-26-2011, 10:45 AM
Yea but i don't he getting that much
better days
10-26-2011, 10:46 AM
I think it will boil down to money. If we can save money and avoid a big cap hit, he's probably gone. I hold out little hope that he can actually be a productive player again.
Well, his contract is incentive laden so I think it boils down to his health next year.
The last buffalo fan
10-26-2011, 10:50 AM
Your English teacher should be fired.
Sorry, but I was still learning your language then. :beers:
DraftBoy
10-26-2011, 10:52 AM
He's old, this is his achilles and he's already lost a step.
I think he may retire.
ddaryl
10-26-2011, 11:12 AM
he'll get a chance to make the team IMO, that is if he doesn't retire. His contract is workable as mentioned it is incentive based...
I don't see why they wouldn't at least give him another shot. His contract numbers are pretty low, so I don't think they really gain anything by releasing him without seeing how he recovers. They'll still make OLB a top priority and not count on Merriman returning to form, but if he does, great. The only way I see him not coming back is if someone like Moats has a breakout year and they draft a top OLB prospect.
Mr. Miyagi
10-26-2011, 11:26 AM
We'll cut him and he'll go to the Pats and tear it up.
That's how it happens.
Mr. Pink
10-26-2011, 11:29 AM
He's old, this is his achilles and he's already lost a step.
I think he may retire.
I think the Bills should reach an injury settlement with him...this afternoon.
Put him into the pasture already.
Maximilli
10-26-2011, 11:30 AM
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 26, 2011, 11:25 AM EDT
Getty ImagesThe Bills have paid linebacker Shawne Merriman (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3171/shawne-merriman) $6.95 million over the last season and a half (http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article607203.ece) for one sack and nine tackles in five games.
Amazingly, Merriman’s contract appears to get worse for the Bills.
According to a January article by Tim Graham (formerly of ESPN.com), Merriman is guaranteed another $3 million (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/24815/shawne-merriman-thrilled-with-bills) in 2012. We’ve seen it written that the Bills had some injury protection for that money, but that no longer appears to be true.
Graham wrote that Merriman’s 2012 money was guaranteed the moment he was cleared to practice this year. In essence, his new Achilles injury is viewed as different problem than his old Achilles injury. So the Bills are on the hook for it.
Merriman is due $4 million in base salary in 2012 and a $1 million roster bonus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roster_bonus) next March. We can’t imagine the Bills will give him another chance, so they will basically have to pay him $3 million to go away.
Claiming and then signing Merriman never made any sense. I’ve heard from Bills fans that they had to take a roll of the dice to get some talent. That’s insane. The Bills have done so many things right in the Gailey/Nix era, but there is no defending the Merriman contract.
It was a terrible bet the moment the contract was signed. Merriman missed 30 games between 2008-2010, including 13 last year. He has 4 sacks since 2007. He was never going to make big money on the open market. Guaranteed base salaries are for star players; Merriman was not in that kind of bargaining position.
If the Bills wanted to take a risk on Merriman, they could have waited for him to be a free agent and given him something like a 1-year, $3 million contract. That’s more money than far more productive linebackers got after the lockout.
Instead, the Bills will wind up paying almost $10 million to Merriman for one sack. That apparently includes $3 million next year, when he may no longer even be in the NFL.
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 26, 2011, 11:25 AM EDT
Getty ImagesThe Bills have paid linebacker Shawne Merriman (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3171/shawne-merriman) $6.95 million over the last season and a half (http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article607203.ece) for one sack and nine tackles in five games.
Amazingly, Merriman’s contract appears to get worse for the Bills.
According to a January article by Tim Graham (formerly of ESPN.com), Merriman is guaranteed another $3 million (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/24815/shawne-merriman-thrilled-with-bills) in 2012. We’ve seen it written that the Bills had some injury protection for that money, but that no longer appears to be true.
Graham wrote that Merriman’s 2012 money was guaranteed the moment he was cleared to practice this year. In essence, his new Achilles injury is viewed as different problem than his old Achilles injury. So the Bills are on the hook for it.
Merriman is due $4 million in base salary in 2012 and a $1 million roster bonus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roster_bonus) next March. We can’t imagine the Bills will give him another chance, so they will basically have to pay him $3 million to go away.
Claiming and then signing Merriman never made any sense. I’ve heard from Bills fans that they had to take a roll of the dice to get some talent. That’s insane. The Bills have done so many things right in the Gailey/Nix era, but there is no defending the Merriman contract.
It was a terrible bet the moment the contract was signed. Merriman missed 30 games between 2008-2010, including 13 last year. He has 4 sacks since 2007. He was never going to make big money on the open market. Guaranteed base salaries are for star players; Merriman was not in that kind of bargaining position.
If the Bills wanted to take a risk on Merriman, they could have waited for him to be a free agent and given him something like a 1-year, $3 million contract. That’s more money than far more productive linebackers got after the lockout.
Instead, the Bills will wind up paying almost $10 million to Merriman for one sack. That apparently includes $3 million next year, when he may no longer even be in the NFL.
Well if the money is guaranteed then what't the point of releasing him? I don't get the line that says the Bills will have to pay him 3 million to go away.
DraftBoy
10-26-2011, 11:52 AM
Awesome...can I blame Overdorf?
Skooby
10-26-2011, 11:53 AM
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 26, 2011, 11:25 AM EDT
Getty ImagesThe Bills have paid linebacker Shawne Merriman (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3171/shawne-merriman) $6.95 million over the last season and a half (http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article607203.ece) for one sack and nine tackles in five games.
Amazingly, Merriman’s contract appears to get worse for the Bills.
According to a January article by Tim Graham (formerly of ESPN.com), Merriman is guaranteed another $3 million (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/24815/shawne-merriman-thrilled-with-bills) in 2012. We’ve seen it written that the Bills had some injury protection for that money, but that no longer appears to be true.
Graham wrote that Merriman’s 2012 money was guaranteed the moment he was cleared to practice this year. In essence, his new Achilles injury is viewed as different problem than his old Achilles injury. So the Bills are on the hook for it.
Merriman is due $4 million in base salary in 2012 and a $1 million roster bonus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roster_bonus) next March. We can’t imagine the Bills will give him another chance, so they will basically have to pay him $3 million to go away.
Claiming and then signing Merriman never made any sense. I’ve heard from Bills fans that they had to take a roll of the dice to get some talent. That’s insane. The Bills have done so many things right in the Gailey/Nix era, but there is no defending the Merriman contract.
It was a terrible bet the moment the contract was signed. Merriman missed 30 games between 2008-2010, including 13 last year. He has 4 sacks since 2007. He was never going to make big money on the open market. Guaranteed base salaries are for star players; Merriman was not in that kind of bargaining position.
If the Bills wanted to take a risk on Merriman, they could have waited for him to be a free agent and given him something like a 1-year, $3 million contract. That’s more money than far more productive linebackers got after the lockout.
Instead, the Bills will wind up paying almost $10 million to Merriman for one sack. That apparently includes $3 million next year, when he may no longer even be in the NFL.
Looks like Shawne needs to come & play next year or an injury settlement needs to happen, no idea about not paying him 25% if we're committed on 75% of the money.
TacklingDummy
10-26-2011, 11:57 AM
The Lights are out, he blows.
sdbillsfan2
10-26-2011, 12:05 PM
Your English teacher should be fired.
Fire paladin warrior ???? Are you nuts?
:curse:
sdbillsfan2
10-26-2011, 12:11 PM
Even if he's healed next year ....I'd say adios . I doubt with his history of injuries , and recent lack of production that he has any trade value. It WAS worth a shot , but the SM experiment didn't produce.
Well here is a statement from Merriman. Looks like he at least plans to come back.
Merriman issued a statement to the media through his publicist Tuesday evening:
"Due to the fact that I have recently been experiencing excessive aggravation in my Achilles tendon, which is a limitation that I have been dealing with for well over two years now, I sought the opinions of multiple medical specialists. After much consideration and unanimous professional recommendations stating that my Achilles is in danger of rupturing, I have been advised that it would be in my best interest to undergo surgery as soon as possible in order to prevent a major injury. I would like to thank all of my fans for their continued support on my road to a full recovery and am looking forward to getting back out on the field."
better days
10-26-2011, 12:21 PM
Well here is a statement from Merriman. Looks like he at least plans to come back.
Well since there is no HGH testing in the NFL yet, I hope his Dr. gets him on that. Should help with the healing process.
Ickybaluky
10-26-2011, 12:26 PM
I think he will be cut, sometime before March.
What is comes down to is the guy hasn't been healthy since 2007. He had his knee re-constructed in 2008 and hasn't been able to stay healthy since. He repeatedly has had trouble with his calf muscles and achilles tendons. They just aren't strong enough for his size.
The Bills will pay him his $3M guaranteed for 2012 and chalk it up as a write-off. They tried, it didn't work. They aren't going to chance another $1M roster bonus due next March, or have his $4.75M salary guaranteed once the season starts. That is just too risky.
They'll pay him the $3M and he will go away.
It is possible they could bring him back if he can show he has recovered from surgery and can pass a physical. However, with his injury history he is looking at minimum salary if he gets another shot. Nobody is going to risk much more than that, including the Bills.
stuckincincy
10-26-2011, 12:29 PM
Your English teacher should be fired.
Civil Service protection + union = mission impossible.
You will just have to wait until teacher retires at age 50 with 70K+ per annum adjusted for inflation and ironclad medical and dental.
Don't forget to file your taxes on time! :bike:
RedEyE
10-26-2011, 12:30 PM
I bet he aggravated it in pre season. He had that one good looking game and hasn't been able to plant and drive since
better days
10-26-2011, 12:36 PM
I think he will be cut, sometime before March.
What is comes down to is the guy hasn't been healthy since 2007. He had his knee re-constructed in 2008 and hasn't been able to stay healthy since. He repeatedly has had trouble with his calf muscles and achilles tendons. They just aren't strong enough for his size.
The Bills will pay him his $3M guaranteed for 2012 and chalk it up as a write-off. They tried, it didn't work. They aren't going to chance another $1M roster bonus due next March, or have his $4.75M salary guaranteed once the season starts. That is just too risky.
They'll pay him the $3M and he will go away.
It is possible they could bring him back if he can show he has recovered from surgery and can pass a physical. However, with his injury history he is looking at minimum salary if he gets another shot. Nobody is going to risk much more than that, including the Bills.
Well, he should have plenty of time to rehab before March. If he looks healthy & good to go I think he comes back.
i guess it comes down to how much time and money the team is willing to spend on him... look at Spikes, he had the same injury 6 years ago? and is having his first productive season since
trapezeus
10-26-2011, 03:06 PM
it'd be a shame if he hurt it in the lights out dance in that preseason game.
LB is the biggest need for the bills. like game changing LB. I think the DL has depth and talent there. the cb's need upgrades, but not an early upgrade.
oline needs massive depth additions. need a bunch of running backs as spiller isn't an every down guy.
TheBrownBear
10-26-2011, 03:17 PM
It WAS worth a shot
How so? We blew a bunch of money on a guy that was clearly washed up. To make matters worse, it ties up an additional $3 million next season that could go towards adding some quality depth to the roster. It looked like a stupid @ss move in 2010 and it looks even worse now. I never understood the Bills' thinking on this one.
I don't think he'll ever make another meaningful start in the NFL.
Lexwhat
10-26-2011, 10:15 PM
Instead, the Bills will wind up paying almost $10 million to Merriman for one sack. That apparently includes $3 million next year, when he may no longer even be in the NFL.
Better return than what we got from Maybin.
casdhf
10-27-2011, 06:07 AM
Awesome...can I blame Overdorf? He squarely gets the blame. Nix says, "I want this guy." Overdorf does the deal. I think picking him up was worth a shot, but I don't understand that contract, if true.
JCBills
10-27-2011, 07:26 AM
As it should have been for a while, OLB will be the top priority in the draft.
DraftBoy
10-27-2011, 07:32 AM
He squarely gets the blame. Nix says, "I want this guy." Overdorf does the deal. I think picking him up was worth a shot, but I don't understand that contract, if true.
Agreed, how we are locked into paying 75% of 4 million next year no matter how much he plays and how the insurance contigencies went away in this contract are beyond me.
Johnny Bugmenot
10-27-2011, 09:02 AM
As it should have been for a while, OLB will be the top priority in the draft.
Yes, because drafting a guy worked SO well last time... *cough* AARON MAYBIN *cough*
Philagape
10-27-2011, 09:31 AM
Yes, because drafting a guy worked SO well last time... *cough* AARON MAYBIN *cough*
I've never understood this reasoning. The Bills have have had busts at every position, so therefore they should never draft anyone again.
Bill Cody
10-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Yes, because drafting a guy worked SO well last time... *cough* AARON MAYBIN *cough*
Need I remind you we passed on Orakpo who fit the prototype of the 3-4 rushing LB? Maybin was just too small. It's really that simple. Merriman is a mirage, he always has been. Once he stopped putting needles in his ass he's been ineffective and injury prone. He won't be back.
Albany,n.y.
10-27-2011, 05:12 PM
Yes, because drafting a guy worked SO well last time... *cough* AARON MAYBIN *cough*
Maybin was drafted as a DE, not as a LB.
sdbillsfan2
10-27-2011, 05:42 PM
How so? We blew a bunch of money on a guy that was clearly washed up. To make matters worse, it ties up an additional $3 million next season that could go towards adding some quality depth to the roster. It looked like a stupid @ss move in 2010 and it looks even worse now. I never understood the Bills' thinking on this one.
Did he or did he not pass a physical by the Bills before they signed him? He still had age on his side . I still say it was worth the risk. Just because you don't understand the Bills thinking doesn't make it wrong... but it does make you sound like opiv. Not every signing is golden , but sometimes you take a risk and get a Freddie ,Stevie or a Fitz when everyone else thinks your crazy. Would I keep him next year ? hell no. The experiment failed. but it failed AFTER trying not before trying. Sorry Karnac .....can't agree with your thinking.
Extremebillsfan247
10-28-2011, 01:06 AM
Do u guys think Merriman wont b a bill next year he is under contract rite? will they waive or give him another shot. They say he is having surgery i don't think he had surgery on it before. i think he only tried resting itI think Merriman should retire. But that's my opinion.
stuckincincy
10-28-2011, 08:21 AM
Did he or did he not pass a physical by the Bills before they signed him? He still had age on his side . I still say it was worth the risk. Just because you don't understand the Bills thinking doesn't make it wrong... but it does make you sound like opiv. Not every signing is golden , but sometimes you take a risk and get a Freddie ,Stevie or a Fitz when everyone else thinks your crazy. Would I keep him next year ? hell no. The experiment failed. but it failed AFTER trying not before trying. Sorry Karnac .....can't agree with your thinking.
Good point.
In 2010, skinflint Mike Brown got stung by signing wr Antonio Bryant without a physical. IIRC, Bryant refused (citing medical privacy, I assume), and Brown kissed 7 million goodbye.
i guess it comes down to how much time and money the team is willing to spend on him... look at Spikes, he had the same injury 6 years ago? and is having his first productive season since
Takeo Spikes has been productive every year he has been healthy. He had a great season last year with San Fran. He would be the best linebacker on the Bills right now.
JCBills
10-28-2011, 03:56 PM
Yes, because drafting a guy worked SO well last time... *cough* AARON MAYBIN *cough*
Maybin was drafted to play DE when they were a 4-3 team, which he isn't a fit for either. And even then, whiffing on a position equates to avoiding that for all drafts going forward? The team lacks a pass rush, and this year's class has some promising prospects.
hemi13
10-29-2011, 11:06 AM
Hope they keep him i think he still has it
I agree, I have faith he will return!
methos4ever
10-30-2011, 07:35 AM
The money spent is a sunk cost, and looking at next year as just next year - why not bring him back - it's not hurting the cap, and if he can produce (even if in a pure 3rd down role) we avoid what happened with TKO and Fletch. The guy can still produce.
If he is cut, I would like a moratorium be placed on any "look at what he's doing on team X" posts. They get old.
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