Is It Safe To Say Moats...

[Night Train]

..is the Maybin we never saw ?

[TacklingDummy]

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..is the Maybin we never saw ?

Does he have more than 0 sacks?

[DraftBoy]

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He's an almost identical style rusher. Up the field, circle back and get to the QB. He is still extremely raw.

[DBrown77]

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He's an almost identical style rusher. Up the field, circle back and get to the QB. He is still extremely raw.

Maybin gets manhandled, but Moats can hold his own for the most part. Also Moats makes his turn a lot quicker.

[DraftBoy]

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Maybin gets manhandled, but Moats can hold his own for the most part. Also Moats makes his turn a lot quicker.

I dont disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that Moats like Maybin is a speed outside rush LB who can't use his hands well, and has little to no inside counter move. His sacks are based almost exclusively on good coverage because he takes a round about way.

[Spiderweb]

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I dont disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that Moats like Maybin is a speed outside rush LB who can't use his hands well, and has little to no inside counter move. His sacks are based almost exclusively on good coverage because he takes a round about way.

Moats can provide some bull rush capabilities as well as speed. Sure, he has to learn a few more pass rush techniques but has shown some ability, whereas the lasting image in my mind of Maybin was in preseason when he rushed and a RB knocked him airborne and onto his ass.

[Lone Stranger]

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I believe there is one thing missing in a comparison to Maybin: the effort Moats put into the game far exceeds what I saw Maybin do.

[DraftBoy]

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Moats can provide some bull rush capabilities as well as speed. Sure, he has to learn a few more pass rush techniques but has shown some ability, whereas the lasting image in my mind of Maybin was in preseason when he rushed and a RB knocked him airborne and onto his ass.

Havent seen it use it effectively yet. He gets some push but nothing that collapses the pocket. OT usually regains pretty quickly. Size is a factor in that.

[JoeMama]

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Picking Maybin in the draft

In what plane of reality did that pick make any sense, on any level?

That draft pick was Dick Jauron's final "**** you" to Buffalo fans - since he's the guy who lobbied to draft him.

Thanks Dick/Marv era for that gem.

[alohabillsfan]

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Havent seen it use it effectively yet. He gets some push but nothing that collapses the pocket. OT usually regains pretty quickly. Size is a factor in that.

Please see last washington offensive play...

[Mr. Miyagi]

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How's Maybin doing so far for the Jets?

[DraftBoy]

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Please see last washington offensive play...

If you have to reference the last offensive play by a team that had already lost a game that's not a good example.

Context very much matters, which is why many people got excited but only to a certain extent by Merriman's great preseason.

I need to see him do it when we need a big sack or when the game is not in hand.

[Canadian'eh!]

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How's Maybin doing so far for the Jets?

He's got 3 sacks and forced 3 fumbles.

[alohabillsfan]

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If you have to reference the last offensive play by a team that had already lost a game that's not a good example.

Context very much matters, which is why many people got excited but only to a certain extent by Merriman's great preseason.

I need to see him do it when we need a big sack or when the game is not in hand.

here is your quote "Havent seen it use it effectively yet. He gets some push but nothing that collapses the pocket. OT usually regains pretty quickly. Size is a factor in that."

ROFL, ok bull rush of LT pushing the pocket, you asked for it Moats provided it. It was not a blitz, it was a 4 man rush. You are evaluating the player not the game. He displayed the ablity which is what you wanted to see. PS there are more examples.

[DraftBoy]

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here is your quote "Havent seen it use it effectively yet. He gets some push but nothing that collapses the pocket. OT usually regains pretty quickly. Size is a factor in that."

ROFL, ok bull rush of LT pushing the pocket, you asked for it Moats provided it. It was not a blitz, it was a 4 man rush. You are evaluating the player not the game. He displayed the ablity which is what you wanted to see. PS there are more examples.

When evaluating the player the context of the game matters. It the LT blows a blocking assignment and Moats gets a free sack you don't credit Moats for making a great play.

Just as if the starting LT is out and Moats beats a third string LT again that's not going to impress...well...anybody.

Context matters when evaluating the player. Otherwise preseason superstars would be regular season players but they aren't.

If you have another example Id be glad to hear it and review it.