Let's hear why the Lucic hit was not a cheap shot

[Dr. Lecter]

I avoid this forum as much as I can, but will come here for this thread.

Let's hear the Boston apologists tell us why Lucic's hit was 100% clean and people are picking on the Bruins.

[clumping platelets]

If he's not suspended, this league is fixed.

[Crisis]

kaleta should've ran thomas when he had that scoring chance

[clumping platelets]

Hitting the other goaltender does nothing............putting Lucic in the morgue does

[SabreEleven]

Because his name isn't Kaleta.

[Skooby]

Italian food is better than Polish, unless Grandma is making it?

[The King]

I have no idea when hitting the goalie became illegal. It was a cheap shot. It sparked the bruins though, you should be more concerned that not one person came to your goalies defense... That was more pathetic than the hit.

[clumping platelets]

I agree......that's when you do a two hander and put Lucic/Chara in the morgue. An elbow to Bergeron's head would have done nicely as well.

Do you agree that Lucic should be suspended?

[CuseJetsFan83]

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In light of tonight's post-game comments from Bs-Sabres, it'll be interesting to see what happens when they meet in Buffalo on 11/23

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Well, I touched a nerve tonight! While I don't appreciate some of the suggestions I received, I do love the passion of hockey fans.

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just saying, tired of players *****ing about guys on other team when players in their own room do the same thing. answer w/actions not words

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Funny, Ryan Miller hasn't been nearly as outspoken about Patrick Kaleta's consistently gutless play. <s class="hash">#</s>headbutt (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23headbutt) <s class="hash">#</s>itsalwaystheotherguy (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23itsalwaystheotherguy)

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[Michael82]

I agree with Miller! Lucic is a piece of ****! I can't believe that the Sabres didnt show any balls and take him out, or at least lay a payback hit on Tim Thomas. Pathetic! :ill:

[Crisis]

is that guy ******ed? kaleta got suspended for his stupid play already. lucic hasn't.

[CuseJetsFan83]

is that guy ******ed? kaleta got suspended for his stupid play already. lucic hasn't.

yeah pretty much he's using the you have a dirty player yet don't talk about his bad play............

lucic should be suspended but if he isn't i'd expect retribution the day before thanksgiving... then again maybe this team is too soft

[clumping platelets]

Bring up Kassian and trade for a goon :up:

[The King]

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Do you agree that Lucic should be suspended?[/QUOTE]
no I don't think so

[YardRat]

There were THREE Sabres trailing the play, and all three were close enough to get in quick with some payback...Actually, all three should have gang-banged Lucic and let all hell break loose.

After no retaliation by his team mates, Miller himself should of gotten off his ass and went after him himself.

[Ginger Vitis]

Bring up Kassian and trade for a goon :up:

Kassian has 7 seven goals and 13 points in 15 games in Rochester.. I think it's time to get him up to the big club as well

[G Wolly]

Every player wearing a Bruins jersey on this roster is a scumbag.

Lucic knows the rules. You can't touch goalies at all. You just can't. But this sparks the debate of "if he leaves the crease he should be treated as a skater and take a hit blah blah blah" but that's another story.

My main concern was the team full of pussified wimps who did NOTHING to stand up for their goaltender after he was knocked out. How embarrassing is that to say "do what you want to our players, we won't mind"

Lindy needs to pull up the video of the cheap shot hit on Drury in 2007 when it erupted into a brawl because to quote Lindy "you don't go after our ****ing captain"

Maybe that will remind these guys that you need to grow a set to play in this league and they can't afford to be pushed around by ANYBODY.

[SkateZilla]

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[The King]

I call total bs on the concussion. Thatsv play to get lucid suspended

[Fitzpatrick'sbeard]

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BOS's Milan Lucic has a 1 pm ET hearing tomorrow with NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan for his hit on BOS's Ryan Miller.



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Sorry, of course that is BUF's Ryan Miller, not BOS's. :laughing:

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And just to clarify, because so many have it wrong, goalies are not "fair game" when handling puck outside the crease.

[Fitzpatrick'sbeard]

I call total bs on the concussion. Thatsv play to get lucid suspended

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Rule 69.4 says not fair game but if G plays puck outside crease incidental contact is permitted if player makes attempt to avoid contact.

[Dr. Lecter]

I call total bs on the concussion. Thatsv play to get lucid suspended
Really?

Really?

The Sabres response sucked.

But saying the injury is faked to get a suspension is dumb.
What is it with Boston area sports fans? Do they all leave any basic sense at the door?

[SkateZilla]

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Rule 69.4 says not fair game but if G plays puck outside crease incidental contact is permitted if player makes attempt to avoid contact.

does knocking him back to buffalo count as avoiding contact?

[Skooby]

does knocking him back to buffalo count as avoiding contact?

Knocked him to the press box.

[Crisis]

Yeah we're gonna have McIntyre be our backup goalie just to pretend miller is hurt to get lucic suspended

are you ****ing kidding me?

[chernobylwraiths]

I loved how the Boston players were trying to goad Sabres into fights all night. Especially Gerbe. Way to go after the big guys.

[chernobylwraiths]

I also see this as a bit of Lindy's coaching. "Hey, they got a penalty, don't ruin the power play chance by taking a retaliation penalty.

I just don't understand it. What happened to Ruff the player?

[SkateZilla]

I loved how the Boston players were trying to goad Sabres into fights all night. Especially Gerbe. Way to go after the big guys.

They cant hit gerbe, they'll swing and get nothing but air...

[SkateZilla]

I also see this as a bit of Lindy's coaching. "Hey, they got a penalty, don't ruin the power play chance by taking a retaliation penalty.



Golisano cut off his ruffage when he had to pay lindy's fine for putting out our fighting players vs alfredson, spezza, and whoever...

[G Wolly]

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Rule 69.4 says not fair game but if G plays puck outside crease incidental contact is permitted if player makes attempt to avoid contact.

I didn't know coming in full speed at a goalie with no attempt to let-up or move is considered incidental contact.

[Fitzpatrick'sbeard]

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And just to clarify, because so many have it wrong, goalies are not "fair game" when handling puck outside the crease.

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Many fans WANT it to be rule but it is NOT rule. It's why Lucic was penalized (2 mins). Up to Shanahan to determine if suspension is req'd.

[The King]

Really?

Really?

The Sabres response sucked.

But saying the injury is faked to get a suspension is dumb.
What is it with Boston area sports fans? Do they all leave any basic sense at the door?

I think I have seen 4 or 5 players on the Bruins roster with concussions over the past 5 years no one plays another period and waits to talk to the media.

[The King]

I also see this as a bit of Lindy's coaching. "Hey, they got a penalty, don't ruin the power play chance by taking a retaliation penalty.

I just don't understand it. What happened to Ruff the player?

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I got 2 words for Cam Neely...

Ulf Samuelsson.

Ya know, since you don't think what Lucic did was bad or dirty and all and Miller is faking a concussion, I think what Ulf did to Neely was no big deal and Cam just scapegoated his condition on Ulf hitting him knee to knee.

[The King]

I never said it wasnt bad or dirty... but the shot rallied the B's to a win.

[chernobylwraiths]

I understand Ruff lost fights. He lost a lot of them. I watched a lot of those games and remember Ruff and didn't appreciate what kind of a player he was until I got older. I never liked him when I was younger because he would fight a lot and lose a lot. But he would never back down and would always come to the defense of his teammates no matter the cost. Same reason I liked a guy like Mike Hartman and even learned to appreciate Rob Ray. Ray was a good fighter, but not great and would lose when he came up against true heavyweights because he was only about 6' tall. But he would almost always drop the gloves.

Actually, it was one of the reasons that I DIDN'T like Kaleta early on and guys like Barnaby. They would goad people into penalties but not drop the gloves. Not that I want goons, but if you are gonna play that style (and I think Kaleta has some talent) you HAVE to drop the gloves sometimes, which Kaleta has done more often now.

[chernobylwraiths]

I never said it wasnt bad or dirty... but the shot rallied the B's to a win.

It certainly energized your team and deflated ours. Kaleta and Gerbe seemed to be the only ones putting forth more effort.

[The King]

Especially in our division.

I know what I said was unpopular.

But everyone in this forum has been *****ing about Miller for weeks... he gets clocked (cheap shot) and no one steps up for him. Whether he has a concussion or not... he's not playing well, the team has some kind of issue. Why not let him rest a week or two and see if he comes back fresh.

[DraftBoy]

Especially in our division.

I know what I said was unpopular.

But everyone in this forum has been *****ing about Miller for weeks... he gets clocked (cheap shot) and no one steps up for him. Whether he has a concussion or not... he's not playing well, the team has some kind of issue. Why not let him rest a week or two and see if he comes back fresh.

The issue isn't what you said exactly though its your ability to call it a cheap/dirty shot but then claim he shouldn't be suspended for it. The only rationale you've provided for that opinion is that the Sabres are for some reasons faking an injury to one of the best goaltenders in the NHL, or because it sparked the B's to a win.

Neither of which make any sense or provide logic for why he shouldn't be suspended.

So if you believe it was a dirty/cheap shot then why do you not believe it should get him suspended for a couple of games?

[The King]

I think theres a difference between a cheapshot and a suspendable offense.

[The King]

He wont be suspended. But any time you lay into a goalie like that it's going to be considered dirty.

[SabreEleven]

He wont be suspended. But any time you lay into a goalie like that it's going to be considered dirty.

and illegal.

[chernobylwraiths]

Especially in our division.

I know what I said was unpopular.

But everyone in this forum has been *****ing about Miller for weeks... he gets clocked (cheap shot) and no one steps up for him. Whether he has a concussion or not... he's not playing well, the team has some kind of issue. Why not let him rest a week or two and see if he comes back fresh.

Everybody usually sees their own team in a different light. Most here don't think Kaleta is a cheap shot artist. I think he has definitely made some questionable to dirty hits. Don't know about the head butting, didn't watch it.

I can't say their lack of reaction to the hit was their feelings toward Miller, because I have seen that type of reaction so many times before.

I think the Sabres defense has been playing poorly. I think there is a lack of cohesiveness with the defensive pairings. Erhoff has played poorly and I have no idea why Ruff doesn't play the more defensively minded and tougher Weber as opposed to Gragniani, who has played poorly IMO this year.

[chernobylwraiths]

He wont be suspended. But any time you lay into a goalie like that it's going to be considered dirty.

I say two games. Definite cheap shot and I don't think Shanahan will let him get away with that.

[SabreEleven]

I'm guessing one game.

[The King]

Its Shanahans call not mine... we'll wait and see, and the Bruins will deal with it either way.

[SabreEleven]

Its Shanahans call not mine... we'll wait and see, and the Bruins will deal with it either way.

You are right and the Bruins will continue to kick the Sabres ass in every game.

[The King]

Everybody usually sees their own team in a different light. Most here don't think Kaleta is a cheap shot artist. I think he has definitely made some questionable to dirty hits. Don't know about the head butting, didn't watch it.


I could care less about Kaleta but to have the rep that he has now and still not do anything... is pathetic. I think Thornton tried to get him to drop the gloves at least 3x.

It does depend which side of the fence you're on as well. I'd be lieing if I said I didnt jump off the couch when Luc layed him out. And it did fire us up, so I'm still ok with it.

[chernobylwraiths]

I could care less about Kaleta but to have the rep that he has now and still not do anything... is pathetic. I think Thornton tried to get him to drop the gloves at least 3x.

It does depend which side of the fence you're on as well. I'd be lieing if I said I didnt jump off the couch when Luc layed him out. And it did fire us up, so I'm still ok with it.

Thornton looked like the a run of the mill goon trying to get anyone to go with him. Kaleta also just got off of a suspension. He runs Thomas in that one play, he is gone for a considerable amount of time. Kaleta picks his spots which is where he has gotten smarter. Like I said, he has some skill, he is not just a goon or a cheap shot artist. A little bit of Avery without the mouth or theatrics. At least not the mouth off the ice.

[chernobylwraiths]

... and it's couldn't care less

[The King]

No I could care less.

[Mski]

No I could care less.how much less?

[OpIv37]

It goes like this: which side of the concussion issue you're on depends on whether your team is giving or receiving concussions.

Bedard, a few weeks ago when Chara hit a dude who was already engaged with another Bruins player, you defended him talking about all the concussions Boston has had and how Chara has to stand up for his guys.

Now, Lucic takes a run at Miller's head and suddenly it's not a cheap shot? You pointed out that your team has been hurt by 4 or 5 concussions in the last few years- these are the kinds of hits that should bother you because next time it could be Thomas or Savard (again) on the receiving end of the hit.

It's the same thing with Penguins fans defending Matt Cooke for that Savard hit but then *****ing about concussions now that Crosby has had problems with one for over a year.

[Mski]

there are two reasons why i think Lucic should be suspended for the hit on Miller

1. Miller cleared the puck away far before Lucic was near him

2. Lucic made no attempt to avoid Miller, and one could argue, went out of his way to actually hit him.

[The King]

how much less?

TBD

[The King]

It goes like this: which side of the concussion issue you're on depends on whether your team is giving or receiving concussions.

Bedard, a few weeks ago when Chara hit a dude who was already engaged with another Bruins player, you defended him talking about all the concussions Boston has had and how Chara has to stand up for his guys.

Now, Lucic takes a run at Miller's head and suddenly it's not a cheap shot? You pointed out that your team has been hurt by 4 or 5 concussions in the last few years- these are the kinds of hits that should bother you because next time it could be Thomas or Savard (again) on the receiving end of the hit.

It's the same thing with Penguins fans defending Matt Cooke for that Savard hit but then *****ing about concussions now that Crosby has had problems with one for over a year.

I have said it was a cheap shot 3x now.

[chernobylwraiths]

Bedard did clearly state that he thought it was a cheap shot.

[OpIv37]

I have said it was a cheap shot 3x now.

my bad- I got in on this late and didn't read the whole thread.

[chernobylwraiths]

my bad- I got in on this late and didn't read the whole thread.

:rofl:

:penalty: for piling on!

[chernobylwraiths]

I have to commend Lecter on his totally leading thread title.

[The King]

Tard

[Dr. Lecter]

Who?

Chern, Op, you or me?

[The King]

Hearing for Luc this afternoon...

[trapezeus]

i will side with King on the fact that i think the sabres are playing a game with miller's "concussion".

The sabres are in trouble though. Miller should have been tested via the new rules and should have been out on the hit. His helmet came flying off.

I don't think they pulled him because of the concussion. they pulled him because he was rattled. and after seguin goes flying into the net and again no response from the team, it was too much to deal with.

I'm not cool with the team just abandoning miller on a ridiculous run with lucic, but they could have manned up and pounded on seguin after his run.

They didn't need to respond with a fight with lucic, but they needed to show they had fight in them. and they were just scared and stupid from that point on.

That is a season defining game and the next one out is how we'll know where this season is going.

[chernobylwraiths]

LOL, the Sabres were penalized on the play that Sequin drove into Miller.

[clumping platelets]

I do not believe that Seguin did that deliberately....he was pushed into Miller. This "hit" may have been what caused the concussion. This being said, Lucic own words prove that he deliberately targeted Miller. I've watched 3 separate angels.....he could have made an attempt to avoid collision.

If he gets no suspension then it's open season on goalies

[The King]

CONFIRMED no suspension.

[The King]

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Just received word: No suspension or fine for Lucic.^BISH

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[Mski]

I do not believe that Seguin did that deliberately....he was pushed into Miller. This "hit" may have been what caused the concussion. This being said, Lucic own words prove that he deliberately targeted Miller. I've watched 3 separate angels.....he could have made an attempt to avoid collision.

If he gets no suspension then it's open season on goaliesShanny says no suspension, due to lack of intent.... if that play had no intent to hit miller, the precedence has been set, OPEN SEASON

[Crisis]

damn if you only get two minutes for taking out the other team's all star goalie i want us running price, thomas, fleury, and whoever else.... the leafs are ok tho.

[SabreEleven]

damn if you only get two minutes for taking out the other team's all star goalie i want us running price, thomas, fleury, and whoever else.... the leafs are ok tho.


except the Sabres have no balls to run any goalie. They can't handle a team responding how they should. I'll bet the Sabres don't even respond on the 23th. The Sabres are just a bunch of pussies on skates.

[Michael82]

Shanny says no suspension, due to lack of intent.... if that play had no intent to hit miller, the precedence has been set, OPEN SEASON

If there was no intent to injure Miller on that play, then i hope the Sabres do the exact same thing to Tim Thomas when you play them next. I would also like to see them start doing it to the Leafs and Senators goalie too. :mad:

[jcdavey]

the bruins are a pretty dirty team, chara cemented that last year

[The King]

If there was no intent to injure Miller on that play, then i hope the Sabres do the exact same thing to Tim Thomas when you play them next. I would also like to see them start doing it to the Leafs and Senators goalie too. :mad:

As I mentioned earlier... Timmy is still tougher than more than half your team.

[don137]

I really like Tim Thomas as a person and a player and I am sure he fully expects to get run at some point this season.
I agree the Sabres are spineless. You either have that edge to your game or you don't. Most of the Sabres players do not.
Shanahan made a big mistake by not suspending Lucic. He is a dirty player. He made no attempt to avoid him and even braced himself for intentionally colliding with him. This will set a bad precedence throughout the league.

[Mski]

Sabres let Enroth get run monday too

[SkateZilla]

whats funny,

in shannahan's lil video explanation, he spends more time calling out buffalo, and doing PR damage control for what Ruff/Reiger said about being open season on goalies than he did explaining his ruling.

in the Kaleta video he has slo-motion replays as he detailed the play.

watch the Lucic hit, even at normal speed, he pelted miller, threw him back and followed through with both hands up, basically cross checking miller across the side of his neck, breaking his helmet as well.

looking at his feet, there was no effort to stop, slow or even vere away from miller, in fact, his left foot turns into miller.

Im not even going into what I believe Lucic said to miller immediately after the hit, and when he was being escorted to the box.

But, what ****ing video was shanahan watching?

then a smack to Shanahan's face, 2 nites later, cole just goes right through enroth's crease and trips him.

[chernobylwraiths]

Enroth sort of initiated that hit though. He was fairly deep in his crease. I bet he had seen Montreal buzzing the crease like that all night and decided in the overtime to draw the penalty. If you watch it closely, he definitely moves further out in his crease as Cole comes toward him. Totally legitimate play too as that blue paint is all his.

[chernobylwraiths]

Kerry Fraser who has been no favorite of Buffalo fans says:

I believe [Shanahan] really missed this call and has sent the wrong message. Like it or not, goalies enjoy preferred treatment similar to endangered species in the wild; at least up until this latest decision. It would now appear they are subjected to the same rules as any other player once they leave the “protection of their nest!” Lindy Ruff has every right to call foul on this non suspension. Milan Lucic should have been suspended for the next two (2) games.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/14/kerry-fraser-says-milan-lucic-deserved-two-game-suspension/

heard about this on GR yesterday

[SkateZilla]

that's extremely sad when Fraser of all people are on our side.

[chernobylwraiths]

is

[The King]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Ryan-Miller-isn-8217-t-sure-Milan-Lucic-concuss;_ylt=AphFIXW.wVbo6BEAyCVVWSZ7vLYF?urn=nhl-wp18468


Sounds like Miller never had a concussion.

[OpIv37]

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Sounds like Miller never had a concussion.



"I don't know for certain what it was. I took a good impact. It definitely felt that way. I had some symptoms in my neck and I had to wait and let that settle down."

… "I feel good symptom wise. It was more neck and something where I aggravated a disc in my neck pretty good and we had an MRI and CT-scan showing that which kind of backed that up and was the source of a lot of the tension and a lot of the discomfort. It definitely was limiting my range of motion."

Yeah, because neck injuries that limit range of motion are so much safer.... I mean, it's not like there are any vertebrae in the neck or anything.

[The King]

He said the word concussion to get Luc suspended. I said he didnt show any signs of a concussion after the play.

[OpIv37]

He said the word concussion to get Luc suspended. I said he didnt show any signs of a concussion after the play.

Either that, or he really thought Miller had a concussion at the time. A neck injury can be just as serious, or even worse as it can cause paralysis.

Also, it obviously didn't work.

[rbochan]

He said the word concussion to get Luc suspended. I said he didnt show any signs of a concussion after the play.


Actually, it was Boston's medical staff that suspected a concussion.

[Mski]

He said the word concussion to get Luc suspended. I said he didnt show any signs of a concussion after the play.a problem with the discs in the neck, often present themself the same as concussion symptoms

[SkateZilla]

Actually, it was Boston's medical staff that suspected a concussion.

And once one doctor diagnoses a concussion, you automatically have to go through the post concussion tests.

Boston's trainer mis-diagnosed the neck injury as a concussion
(why wouldnt he? big hit, miller was thrown down and about, etc etc, why not be safe and say its a concussion, and give it the standard concussion rules when it comes down to recovery).

Miller himself was still have issues with his neck, which is the only reason he had someone look at his neck and determine his symptoms were Post Concussion but disc/neck related.

There was another article, where they quoted miller saying he's had these neck issues all summer and training camp, the lucic hit made them worse, now that he finally got it checked out and treated he feels a lot better.

[The King]

Luc is suspended for tonights game for a hit on Sat against Philly.