Bills sign DE Kyle Moore, promote Nesbitt [Archive] - BillsZone.com

Buddo

11-15-2011, 03:28 PM

Bills signed DE Kyle Moore from the Lions' practice squad.

A fourth-round pick by the Bucs in 2009, Moore has totaled 28 tackles in 15 career games. He struggled to rush the passer and stop the run in Tampa. (Rotoworld)

If that's the case, I can see why.

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 03:29 PM

I take it you don't like Moore.

No issue with Moore actually.

Buddo

11-15-2011, 03:29 PM

No doubt they will try and convert him into a 3-4 OLB.

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 03:52 PM

No doubt they will try and convert him into a 3-4 OLB.

Maybe...Could also show more 43 looks if looking to kick guys like Spencer Johnson inside to make up for loss of players like KW.

We currently have more 43 fits than 34 anyways.

Oaf

11-15-2011, 03:54 PM

It's not like Nesbitt was brought up to play Q. He's here to back up Searcy.

stuckincincy

11-15-2011, 03:54 PM

Oh dear lord...

Amazing, isn't it? Lose an offensive lineman, ink a DE.

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 03:56 PM

It's not like Nesbitt was brought up to play Q. He's here to back up Searcy.

Id be a little happier if he was brought up to play Q and I think he's an atrocious Q.

Oaf

11-15-2011, 04:02 PM

Amazing, isn't it? Lose an offensive lineman, ink a DE.
Because a PS lineman would solve our problems. At least Moore can get in the rotation at end. Re: Nesbit, we don't even use our first gadget QB - what makes you think we'd use a second?

RoscoeMagic

11-15-2011, 04:03 PM

Amazing, isn't it? Lose an offensive lineman, ink a DE.

They were running with one (Sam Young) on the inactive list anyway. If they sign an OL he's just gonna be inactive while Young gets activated.

Hairston, Rinehart, Levitre, Urbik, Pears
Bell should be back soon enough (I would think),Brown backs up Gs (swap Urbik to C if Andy goes down), Young backup RT.

We didn't need a lineman on the active roster. Chan even said this in his postgame press conference.

madness

11-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Maybe...Could also show more 43 looks if looking to kick guys like Spencer Johnson inside to make up for loss of players like KW.

We currently have more 43 fits than 34 anyways.

Please move Spencer Johnson inside... heck, move him anywhere but LB!

Bangarang

11-15-2011, 04:37 PM

Maybe...Could also show more 43 looks if looking to kick guys like Spencer Johnson inside to make up for loss of players like KW.

We currently have more 43 fits than 34 anyways.

Do you think we'd be better suited for the 4-3?

Kelsay/Williams/Dareus/Carrington

Batten?/Sheppard/Batten

On a scale from 1-10 what do you think of that? We need better DEs and could upgrade at OLB because Batten just isn't very good. Overall though, you're maximizing the talents of Kelsay, Williams & Dareus on the line. Allow Sheppard to develop at MLB and kick Batten outside where he can rush the passer and is a good cover guy.

mrbojanglezs

11-15-2011, 04:49 PM

Nesbit must be in for special teams cuz white is out

RoscoeMagic

11-15-2011, 05:13 PM

Nesbit must be in for special teams cuz white is out
Insurance at the safety position with Wilson DTD. And I think Gailey likes Nesbit and doesn't want another team to snatch him off the PS. I say this only cause Nesbit was a QB and I'm not sure how much ST he's played.

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 05:19 PM

Do you think we'd be better suited for the 4-3?

Kelsay/Williams/Dareus/Carrington

Batten?/Sheppard/Batten

On a scale from 1-10 what do you think of that? We need better DEs and could upgrade at OLB because Batten just isn't very good. Overall though, you're maximizing the talents of Kelsay, Williams & Dareus on the line. Allow Sheppard to develop at MLB and kick Batten outside where he can rush the passer and is a good cover guy.

I think we are a poor fit for both systems in all honestly. We dont have an OLB who fits either system and does what the position needs. We don't have CB's who can cover many of us here at the moment and our DE's are weak outside of Dareus.

RoscoeMagic

11-15-2011, 05:33 PM

I think we are a poor fit for both systems in all honestly. We dont have an OLB who fits either system and does what the position needs. We don't have CB's who can cover many of us here at the moment and our DE's are weak outside of Dareus.
I agree. We have no identity at all. It seems like Buddy originally wanted a 3-4 (wanted to even trade KW in his first offseason here). Then since Williams was so highly praised last year he signed a fat contract, because honestly if we traded or let KW test FA after an All-Pro year the fans would riot, and it's left us as more of a hybrid D as a result. Because Williams is so versatile, we went with Dareus who is equally if not more versatile to fit along in this new hybrid D. George Edwards thinks to himself "what do I do now? Where do I play Carrington? Where do I play Moats? Where I do play Williams? Blah blah I look like a fish." I can't go on anymore because thinking about this reminds me that Spencer Johnson plays OLB.

Bottom line I think we need a D coordinator that takes charge and demands a certain personnel for HIS defense. George Edwards has no defense. What the hell is he trying to do? Does anyone know?

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 05:44 PM

Honestly right now the guy Id hire to be our new DC (assuming Edwards goes is) is UGA DC Todd Grantham.

The Jokeman

11-15-2011, 06:00 PM

Honestly right now the guy Id hire to be our new DC (assuming Edwards goes is) is UGA DC Todd Grantham.
I can't see us taking a chance on a college coach instead expect us to promote Wanny. Than it be interesting if we shift back to a 4-3 with Dareus and Spencer at DT. Edwards and Carrington and when healthy Kelsay back to DE. Of course not sure what we'd do with Sheppard as can't see him starting over Barnett at MLB.

Lone Stranger

11-15-2011, 06:26 PM

I get a little tired of hearing a guy is a 3-4 player or a 4-3 player. If he's a football player he ought to be able to play football. Oh, this guy is only a 5 gap player. Give me a break!!

TigerJ

11-15-2011, 06:37 PM

I would guess Nesbitt's role is going to be special teams as much as anything. I doubt Moore is going to log a lot of playing time either. This is probably as much a future related move as anything.

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 06:45 PM

I can't see us taking a chance on a college coach instead expect us to promote Wanny. Than it be interesting if we shift back to a 4-3 with Dareus and Spencer at DT. Edwards and Carrington and when healthy Kelsay back to DE. Of course not sure what we'd do with Sheppard as can't see him starting over Barnett at MLB.

Grantham is the former DC with Cleveland, and worked with Dallas as well. He's a 34 specialist.

Wanny uses the same system we all hated a few years ago, why does anybody want that again?

DraftBoy

11-15-2011, 06:45 PM

I get a little tired of hearing a guy is a 3-4 player or a 4-3 player. If he's a football player he ought to be able to play football. Oh, this guy is only a 5 gap player. Give me a break!!

It matters.

The Jokeman

11-15-2011, 07:01 PM

Grantham is the former DC with Cleveland, and worked with Dallas as well. He's a 34 specialist.

Wanny uses the same system we all hated a few years ago, why does anybody want that again?
Because when Perry Fewell was HC the D was pretty good with most of the talent we have on the roster. If only we had an OC of Gailey combined with Fewell at HC/DC it might have allow us to better utilize the talent we have in our secondary. As I'm tired of seeing McKelvin running in stride with a WR and then end up getting killed because he has no ball skills whatsoever. Whereas Byrd's got great ball skills in a zone D.

It matters.
Agreed.

methos4ever

11-15-2011, 08:26 PM

The last time Wannstedt was a DC he had hall of famers in nearly every part of his defense. And that will make this defense better because?

Also, get used to the continued move toward the 3-4. Our GM and Asst GM want it. Why would they abandon it when they don't have the most important parts (besides NT) in OLBs that fit the system?

Mr. Pink

11-15-2011, 08:59 PM

Now we have 2 wildcat package QBs on the roster!

Happy days!

djjimkelly

11-15-2011, 09:37 PM

Bangarang

11-15-2011, 10:38 PM

so u benching our best LB nick barnett?

I mistakenly put Batten twice. Meant to put Barnett.

NOT THE DUDE...

11-15-2011, 10:45 PM

i expect the bills to go lb early and often next draft. 2 olb and 2 ilb

better days

11-16-2011, 08:41 AM

i expect the bills to go lb early and often next draft. 2 olb and 2 ilb

The Bills have too many needs to pick 4 LB's early. I could see them pick one OLB early along with a LT & DE. But I think best player available plays a big part in who gets picked & if a QB is available the Bills like, I would not be surprised to see a QB picked by rnd 2.

T-Long

11-16-2011, 09:08 AM

I don't think the 3-4 is going away anytime soon unless a new regime is brought in, which is also highly doubtful. I don't think Edwards survives as DC, but I think Wanny gets the gig, even though of his past history with the 4-3. We run a hybrid anyways, so I don't see there being a huge issue with his 4-3 background. Chan isn't going to bring in a new face to try and fix this D when he's got a great defensive mind on the staff already as Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers coach.

BillsFanCupp38

11-16-2011, 09:10 AM

Nesbit is a better wildcat QB than Brad Smith

Mahdi

11-16-2011, 09:59 AM

Grantham is the former DC with Cleveland, and worked with Dallas as well. He's a 34 specialist.

Wanny uses the same system we all hated a few years ago, why does anybody want that again?
I would hire Kevin Greene, LB coach for the Packers.

He has done really well with almost every LB that plays for the Packers and has been studying defense under Dom Capers.

Plus his is a fiery character who can energize a unit. I think he is going to be hired very soon to be a DC somewhere and will be like a young Rex Ryan.

stuckincincy

11-16-2011, 10:13 AM

Nesbit is a better wildcat QB than Brad Smith

Lost a valuable OL. Bring in a DE. Then plop a rookie QB onto the 53 man active roster. Who will probably get the same number of game day snaps as Thigpen. Zero. Makes me wonder - is Fitz more injured than let on?

A cynic might shake his head...5 and 4, still have a shot, but the cynic thinks that they've given up and now plan for next season... Maybe.

DraftBoy

11-16-2011, 11:02 AM

TigerJ

11-16-2011, 02:03 PM

i expect the bills to go lb early and often next draft. 2 olb and 2 ilbI don't think Buffalo is going to draft 2 ILBs. They may draft 2 OLBs and 1 ILB. Just my feeling. I think they figure Sheppard is going to be solid next season and they're going to get one more year out of Barnett. They may also expect some development out of Chris White, though now he has to rehab from his ACL surgery and probably won't be able to do much until after the season starts.

methos4ever

11-16-2011, 03:50 PM

Nesbitt to the media per Coach Sal:
Sal Capaccio #Bills Josh Nesbitt: "Im not gonna sit here & say I have a grasp of every single thing they want me to do yet but I'm ready to fill my role"
9 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Love the kids enthusiasm but if he doesn't know everything why did we activate him?
I would assume to replace Searcy if Wilson can't go on STs, since they wouldn't want to risk just having Bryan Scott and a dream at SS.

madness

11-16-2011, 04:10 PM

Nesbitt update (http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2011/11/16/nesbitt-update/)

<small>Posted by Chris Brown on <abbr title="2011-11-16T12:53:26+0000"> November 16, 2011 – 12:53 pm </abbr> </small>

Bills DB Josh Nesbitt, who was elevated to the active roster Tuesday, will have his playing status for Sunday riding on George Wilson’s health.
That according to head coach Chan Gailey, who basically said that if Wilson can’t play Sunday in Miami then Nesbitt would see special teams work.
“I think it will all be predicated on George’s health,” said Gailey. ”If George is healthy then I don’t see Josh making the 45 (game day roster). If George isn’t healthy then Josh will make the 45 and he’ll probably get in the game in some way shape or form.”
It’s anticipated that if Nesbitt does dress for Sunday’s game that he’ll see time on special teams coverage units.

NOT THE DUDE...

11-16-2011, 05:53 PM

The Bills have too many needs to pick 4 LB's early. I could see them pick one OLB early along with a LT & DE. But I think best player available plays a big part in who gets picked & if a QB is available the Bills like, I would not be surprised to see a QB picked by rnd 2.

we dont need a 34de, we dont need a lt, we have hairston. our first 5 picks in rds 1-4 should mostly go towards the lb unit. we need at least 3 of those picks to go lb. merriman is done and at best a huge question mark. our only backup ilb next year is chris white coming off acl surgery.

i would go courtney upshaw, nico johnson, and another ilb early.

upshaw/ moats/ a coleman / merriman ?
barnett/ rookie
shepp / nico johnson / c white
kelsay / batten /

DraftBoy

11-17-2011, 07:06 AM

I would assume to replace Searcy if Wilson can't go on STs, since they wouldn't want to risk just having Bryan Scott and a dream at SS.

I still dont see why you promote a guy who is still trying to learn how to play the position. Id rather have signed a street FA.

better days

11-17-2011, 07:10 AM

I still dont see why you promote a guy who is still trying to learn how to play the position. Id rather have signed a street FA.

If a guy is a street FA, that means not one team in the entire NFL thought he was talented enough to sign. I would rather promote & play the more talented guy myself.

DraftBoy

11-17-2011, 07:13 AM

If a guy is a street FA, that means not one team in the entire NFL thought he was talented enough to sign. I would rather promote & play the more talented guy myself.

Same could be said about Nesbitt, he wasn't drafted, he wasn't signed after camp until we signed him. Every team passed over him at least once and every team but us passed over him again.

Arguing Nesbitt is more talented is simply you being a Bills fan. There is no way of knowing that since you haven't seen him practice and have no idea where he is in his transition to S from QB.

methos4ever

11-17-2011, 07:50 AM

I still dont see why you promote a guy who is still trying to learn how to play the position. Id rather have signed a street FA.
Because of his versatility, another team could have been sniffing too...I mean we're debating the merits of the 53rd guy on the roster here...

better days

11-17-2011, 07:56 AM

Same could be said about Nesbitt, he wasn't drafted, he wasn't signed after camp until we signed him. Every team passed over him at least once and every team but us passed over him again.

Arguing Nesbitt is more talented is simply you being a Bills fan. There is no way of knowing that since you haven't seen him practice and have no idea where he is in his transition to S from QB.

You are right, I have no idea about Nesbitt. I am putting my trust & faith that Chan & Buddy know about him. They liked him enough to sign him to the PS over others with PS eligibility.

If they thought he was not far enough along in the process to promote, I have faith they would have signed a FA.

There are two types of FA's available. Young guys like Nesbit with PS eligibility that are just learning & have not had a chance yet & Vets that are unsigned for one reason or another, be it an injury or just the numbers game. The bottom line is no team thought enough of anyone available to sign him with the exception of players on other teams PS.

DraftBoy

11-17-2011, 10:55 AM

Because of his versatility, another team could have been sniffing too...I mean we're debating the merits of the 53rd guy on the roster here...

What versatility? I dont care if another team is sniffing that's why he's on the PS in the first place. If our only reason to sign him was because he was getting sniffs then don't sign him.

I dont see why people wouldn't debate the 53rd member of the roster.

DraftBoy

11-17-2011, 10:57 AM

You are right, I have no idea about Nesbitt. I am putting my trust & faith that Chan & Buddy know about him. They liked him enough to sign him to the PS over others with PS eligibility.

If they thought he was not far enough along in the process to promote, I have faith they would have signed a FA.

There are two types of FA's available. Young guys like Nesbit with PS eligibility that are just learning & have not had a chance yet & Vets that are unsigned for one reason or another, be it an injury or just the numbers game. The bottom line is no team thought enough of anyone available to sign him with the exception of players on other teams PS.

You can have faith in Chan and Buddy and for the most part I do but not with this move. You don't promote a kid who says he doesn't know it all yet, and is still trying to make the switch. If gets signed elsewhere fine let them deal with it.

methos4ever

11-17-2011, 12:40 PM

What versatility? I dont care if another team is sniffing that's why he's on the PS in the first place. If our only reason to sign him was because he was getting sniffs then don't sign him.

I dont see why people wouldn't debate the 53rd member of the roster.
Because like Ventrone on the Pats, he'll most likely be cut and re-signed by the end of next week to the PS. No big deal to me at all. I see it is for you, so that's where we're at.

Assignments as a safety? Sure he may not know them all. But knowing what to do as the L3 on Punt or Kick or Kick coverage isn't rocket science...

DraftBoy

11-17-2011, 01:50 PM

Because like Ventrone on the Pats, he'll most likely be cut and re-signed by the end of next week to the PS. No big deal to me at all. I see it is for you, so that's where we're at.

Assignments as a safety? Sure he may not know them all. But knowing what to do as the L3 on Punt or Kick or Kick coverage isn't rocket science...

To a former QB who hasn't play punt or kick coverage since first two years of HS?

methos4ever

11-17-2011, 03:10 PM

To a former QB who hasn't play punt or kick coverage since first two years of HS?
The problem in this whole conversation is we don't have the context of what he says he doesn't know. On scout and in general during practice he's picking up something - ST, Safety individual drills, scout positions. It's just a question of when he was asked to what he was referring.