Andre Reed and Steve Tasker: HOF semi-finalists again

[Coach Sal]

Two of 26 people to make the semis.

Both have been this far before, but this is a weaker class.

Let's hope this is the year for both.

The list:
http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2011/11/22/class-of-2012-semifinalists/

[Skooby]

Fingers crossed Coach, thanks.

[Ickybaluky]

I don't think Tasker gets in, because specialists get jobbed for the HOF vote. Unless they create a special category for specialits, I don't see it.

Reed, on the other hand, is a huge oversight. I watched the guy play, and he deserves to be in there. Great player, and consistent over time.

[BLeonard]

Reed only has Cris Carter as competition, as far as WR is concerned... IIRC, in the past, Reed has fared better than Carter in the voting.

Hate to say it, but I don't see Tasker getting in... Then again, I don't see anyone on there that's a no-brainer.

-Bill

[YardRat]

Reed only has Cris Carter as competition, as far as WR is concerned... IIRC, in the past, Reed has fared better than Carter in the voting.

Hate to say it, but I don't see Tasker getting in... Then again, I don't see anyone on there that's a no-brainer.

-Bill

Tim Brown >> Carter

[T-Long]

This is the year for Andre. Keeping them fingers crossed for one of the greatest WR of all time.

[Billz_fan]

This is the year for Andre. Keeping them fingers crossed for one of the greatest WR of all time.


I hope so. I thought he was going to get in last year for some reason and was deeply disappointed when he did not.

[Mr. Pink]

It's a pretty weak semi-final class so Tasker might have his best shot to get in this year. That being said, I still don't see him making it.

Reed, in all honest, I think has to wait til Carter makes it before he goes in. Don't see him making it before him.

[TacklingDummy]

Reed will not get in.

[ServoBillieves]

The no brainers should be Brown, Atwater and Reed... But as stated before, there's really no shoe ins.

[stuckincincy]

Neither should get in before Ray Guy. Sorry.

[Buddo]

Neither should get in before Ray Guy. Sorry.

Reed should, but Tasker shouldn't, imo.

I do however, firmly believe that Tasker should get there.

In some respects, the fact that Marv didn't let him play offense much, has probably hampered Tasker's chances. If he had been able to show how useful he was as a WR, as well, more regularly, he might have been better served.

[YardRat]

Still think this could be the year of the WR with Brown, Carter and Reed all getting in.

Tasker belongs simply because he had a tangible effect on the game league-wide, but as others have said the voters really don't consider special teamers.

Ray Guy not being in is one of the biggest travesties ever. The committee could go a long way in the credibility department by inducting Guy and the wide-outs.

[PTI]

I don't think Tasker even deserves to be nominated, he was a backup WR and special teams player.

[Mike13]

How isnt Carter in yet?

[Jan Reimers]

How isnt Carter in yet?
No, the question is, why isn't Reed in yet, but Michael Irvin is?

[YardRat]

No, the question is, why isn't Reed in yet, but Michael Irvin is?

Super Bowl wins vs losses, plain and simple.

[Night Train]

The voting the last couple of years combined with a weak first year eligible list point to Reed getting in.

Tasker will always be a wildcard.

[MikeInRoch]

Super Bowl wins vs losses, plain and simple.

Which is a BS reason.

[YardRat]

Which is a BS reason.

I agree, but that's the reason.

[Mr. Pink]

70 978 6

75 1190 6

Yearly averages for Reed and Irvin.

Here's Tim Brown...

87 1185 8

And Cris Carter...

84 1064 10

All of them have longevity. All of them performed at a high level their entire careers. To be honest, Reed is a notch below all of them. Carter had 8 straight 1000 yard seasons, Brown had 9...Reed had 4 total over his career. Meanwhile Irvin had 7 out of 8 years over 1000 yards.

Still wonder why Irvin is in and Reed isn't?

[BertSquirtgum]

They both deserve it.

[Mr. Pink]

They both deserve it.

Eh, honestly, after looking at things...I don't think Reed deserves to be a finalist anymore let alone getting in.

Keenan McCardell, Lavernaeus Coles, Andre Rison, Henry Ellard, Keyshawn Johnson all have similar numbers to Reed over their careers and on a year by year basis.

The only difference Reed has is he played on a team that made it to 4 straight Superbowls while the guys I listed, besides Keyshawn, never made it to the big game.

Are those 5 guys HOF material?

If Reed makes it, then why shouldn't the 5 I listed?

[BertSquirtgum]

they should, just not this year.

[MikeInRoch]

Reed: 951 receptions, 13,198 yards, 87 TD.
Irvin: 750 receptions, 11,904 yards, 65 TD.


Reed is not a "notch below" Irvin. Unless you want to count "lifetime 8-balls consumed."

[stuckincincy]

How isnt Carter in yet?

Probably because of his *****ly mouth.

IIRC, Reed got snotty in his last season, and left folks with a bad taste for him.

Actions have consequences. Memories don't always fade.

[Mski]

Eh, honestly, after looking at things...I don't think Reed deserves to be a finalist anymore let alone getting in.

Keenan McCardell, Lavernaeus Coles, Andre Rison, Henry Ellard, Keyshawn Johnson all have similar numbers to Reed over their careers and on a year by year basis.

The only difference Reed has is he played on a team that made it to 4 straight Superbowls while the guys I listed, besides Keyshawn, never made it to the big game.

Are those 5 guys HOF material?

If Reed makes it, then why shouldn't the 5 I listed?
Rison - 743 receptions, 10205 yrds, 84td's
McCardell - 883 Receptions, 11373 yrds, 63tds
Coles - 674 Receptions, 8609 yrds, 49 tds (why is he even in this convo)
Ellard - 814 Rec, 13777 yrds, 65 tds
Keyshawn - 814, 10571, 64
Reed - 951, 13198, 87

so of the guys you mentioned, none of them have more receptions or TD's and only one has more career yards... and none of them have been to 4 superbowls... so explain why they are just as worthy as Reed to be in the HOF, or Reed is just as "unworthy" as them?

[RedEyE]

You know this really chaps my hide!

Don't get me wrong, Tasker and Reed definitly earned their due.

But here we are, once again, while nearly the rest of the NFL is looking toward the playoff showdown building up, the only thing Bills fans have to get excited about is hoping that two guys that played well 20 YEARS AGO get into the HOF.

HOF business should be an extracurricular highlight to the current season.

Yet, Bills fans primary topic of discussions revolve around how crappy the team is.

What I wouldn't pay to get past these shameful years of hell!

[Historian]

Then again, I don't see anyone on there that's a no-brainer.

I disagree. I think everyone below is a no-brainer with the exception of Roaf.

And Carter may get in before Reed because he is on TV.

Jerome Bettis, RB – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Dermontti Dawson, C – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner – 1979-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley, DE/LB – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Bill Parcells, Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys
Willie Roaf, T – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs
Donnie Shell, S – 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League

[TigerJ]

Trying to get into the HOF has been a little like trying to win the Super Bowl for these guys. Four years in a row they got close, but couldn't quite get over the hump. Let's hope it's different this time around.

[stuckincincy]

I disagree. I think everyone below is a no-brainer with the exception of Roaf.

And Carter may get in before Reed because he is on TV.

Jerome Bettis, RB – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Dermontti Dawson, C – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
]Edward DeBartolo, Jr[/B]., Owner – 1979-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley, DE/LB – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Bill Parcells, Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys
Willie Roaf, T – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs
Donnie Shell, S – 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League


DeBartolo, Jr., is a nominee?

The former Youngston, OH, based Tube and Sheet Company, if you like to follow your dons and capos..

He and daddy and his sister owned (in some rotating fashion), the Pittsburgh Penguins, as well as the SF Niners.

When they fell into Mario Lemieux, they stuck it to the old (and new) fans in Lemieux' 2nd season.. They set up a "4 game package sale only" thing if you wanted to see the Pens play Edmonton and other top clubs. IIRC, they were the first sports franchise to pull that crap..

Long-suffering Pen season ticket holders (The Igloo Club) were informed that after years of purchasing ticket blocks together, they had to buy general seating, no guarantee of contigious seating in Mario Year #2.

In Mario year #1, I bought 4 late-season seats to an Edmonton game (Lemieux vs. Gretsky), to entertain out-of-town, life-long friends from Buffalo. Our seats were wooden fold-up chairs set on a concrete aisle with the last-row regular seat heads blocking the view.

There's your backstory...



Eddie Jr.'s rap sheet:

http://articles.sfgate.com/1998-10-07/news/17735123_1_denise-debartolo-york-mr-debartolo-debartolo-family

[Mr. Pink]

Rison - 743 receptions, 10205 yrds, 84td's
McCardell - 883 Receptions, 11373 yrds, 63tds
Coles - 674 Receptions, 8609 yrds, 49 tds (why is he even in this convo)
Ellard - 814 Rec, 13777 yrds, 65 tds
Keyshawn - 814, 10571, 64
Reed - 951, 13198, 87

so of the guys you mentioned, none of them have more receptions or TD's and only one has more career yards... and none of them have been to 4 superbowls... so explain why they are just as worthy as Reed to be in the HOF, or Reed is just as "unworthy" as them?


Was using yearly averages for my point. All had longevity just Reed was around longer than the rest of them. Basically what you're saying and a couple other people used is because Reed hung on for a few more seasons than the rest of the guys I mentioned he is more deserving than them.

[Luisito23]

Peter King said in his podcast that he loves Steve Tasker, and thinks that he is the best special teams player to ever play the game, also said that he has he's full support.

Good to know since King has a vote, but sadly I still don't think Tasker makes it.