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  • Night Train
    Retired - On Several Levels
    • Jul 2005
    • 33117

    Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

    Logging in to cry about losing accomplishes nothing. We all know the current state of the depleated roster.

    Can Spiller, Troup and multiple other youngsters give us anything going foward to next season ? That's what I'll be watching. I still believe OLB's and CB's are our biggest need for 2012.

    It's basically pre-season again but that's the currect situation we can't change. Time to scout for the future. It's all how you watch the game.
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  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86155

    #2
    Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

    At least we got 10 games into the season before being forced to re-focus our attention on next season.

    #1 in my book is still a new DC, and unfortunately Edwards' complete lack of competence is going to make it difficult to assess the capabilities of most of the young players on the defensive side.
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    • DesertFox24
      Registered User
      • Jul 2005
      • 2129

      #3
      Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

      I am actually excited to see Spiller, Troup, Carrington, Batten, Moats, and the rookie corners and Searcy.

      I want to see if these guys can play, and I think it is good for the Bills to see if these guys can do anything or if they missed.

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      • Jan Reimers
        Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
        • May 2003
        • 17353

        #4
        Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

        Originally posted by Night Train
        Can Spiller, Troup and multiple other youngsters give us anything going foward to next season ? That's what I'll be watching. I still believe OLB's and CB's are our biggest need for 2012.
        I would add a speedy WR who can stretch the field to that list.
        Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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        • Night Train
          Retired - On Several Levels
          • Jul 2005
          • 33117

          #5
          Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

          I can't help but think Gailey feels the same way, with certain lineup moves. Look at the kids and see what you have.

          Notice Williams is starting at CB now, after recovering from injuries. This signifies the end of McKelvin after this season (McGee also). Thus my prediction that multiple new CB's will be here next season.
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          • THE END OF ALL DAYS
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            • Feb 2005
            • 4525

            #6
            Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

            looking at the all-star group that philly has in their secondary and seeing the results of that, id much rather the bills concentrate on the d front 7 and get some monster pass rush going on
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            • better days
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              • Jan 2010
              • 22028

              #7
              Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

              Originally posted by Why so Serious?
              looking at the all-star group that philly has in their secondary and seeing the results of that, id much rather the bills concentrate on the d front 7 and get some monster pass rush going on
              I agree, the Bills need help at LB to stop the run & put pressure on the QB before worrying about CBs.

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86155

                #8
                Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                Originally posted by Why so Serious?
                looking at the all-star group that philly has in their secondary and seeing the results of that, id much rather the bills concentrate on the d front 7 and get some monster pass rush going on
                Add one player and a new DC and we could have a monster pass rush.
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                • better days
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                  • Jan 2010
                  • 22028

                  #9
                  Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                  Originally posted by YardRat
                  Add one player and a new DC and we could have a monster pass rush.
                  Well, with one player, we would have a pass rush. It takes two players that can get to the QB on a consistent basis to have a monster pass rush. So I would say the Bills need 2 players for that to happen.

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                  • dannyek71
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                    • Dec 2004
                    • 6945

                    #10
                    Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                    Let's see if we can get any production out of Carrington, Troupe, or Spiller for a change. If not, let's cut ties admit our mistake and move on.
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                    • better days
                      Registered User
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 22028

                      #11
                      Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                      Originally posted by dannyek71
                      Let's see if we can get any production out of Carrington, Troupe, or Spiller for a change. If not, let's cut ties admit our mistake and move on.
                      Well, every team needs back ups. If nothing else, Carrington & Troupe can back up so I see no need to get rid of them.

                      We were told Spiller was a playmaker, it is time for him to make some plays NOW or I doubt he ever will.

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                      • madness
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 13690

                        #12
                        Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                        We saw some flashes from these young kids last week and even though our defense was anything but I noticed we weren't getting flat out beat in the usual fashion. We were getting beat because of in inexperience. Players were making incorrect reads and playing out of position... something that all can be fixed by watching film and getting more time on the field.

                        Sheppard, Searcy and Williams are some of these guys who looked like they belong on the field. Sheppard has quietly been an upgrade over Davis, Searcy was all over the field last week and Williams had a good day minus some mental mistakes. These guys have a lot to learn yet so their play has promise.

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                        • Buddo
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 1864

                          #13
                          Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                          TBH, I have little to no confidence in either Moats or Batten, to actually progress sufficiently, for us to not require major upgrades at OLB.
                          They've hardly made a play between them, and must have been on the field plenty in the not too distant past, as we don't have much in the way of alternatives.

                          One player I am intrigued by is Aiken, as he seems to have good hands, and has decent timed speed also. I believe he could well be an 'upgrade' from Jones.
                          TBH, the only receiver I would say we have who has 'sure' hands, is Nelson - and he made a drop the other week.
                          I do feel that both Troup and Carrington have something to offer, as depth if nothing else.
                          Spiller needs to step up.
                          I think our picks through the first 4 rounds this year, are all likely to make significant contributions over the years. Dareus is obviously a 'keeper', Sheppard is starting to show up in games, Hairston at the least will be a RT for the future, and maybe even stick it out as LT. Williams may be starting to 'get it', as aside from one play, I didn't see him getting beaten much against the Cowgirls, so he probably did a decent job, in what was close on an annihilation.
                          Searcy also is starting to look decent, in for Wilson.

                          Need wise, CB is going to be one, OLB who gets to the passer another. WR who can consistently get separation, and catch, also required.
                          My own feeling is that we now need a pass rusher above all else tbh, as the other good players we do have on D, namely Dareus and Williams, would then get more opportunities to create pressure, and the secondary would benefit from QBs not having all day for their man to become open.

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                          • paladin warrior
                            All-Pro Zoner
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 3272

                            #14
                            Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out

                            Yup Keep eyes on OLB CB And also O-line 2012 draft

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                            • DasBills
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 162

                              #15
                              Re: Scouting Bills With An Eye Towards 2012 Here On Out
                              1. Originally posted by dannyek71
                                Let's see if we can get any production out of Carrington, Troupe, or Spiller for a change. If not, let's cut ties admit our mistake and move on.
                                It's honestly too early to do that with any of them. Some players take time to develop, and if you aren't willing to give players time to develop, you'll be doing this every few years.

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