Chan is becoming annoyingly bad.

[Bangarang]

If we had Barry Sanders in his prime, Chan would still only give him 10 carries a game. The guy abandons the run for absolutely no reason. FJax averages 7 ypc and he stops getting the ball. CJ was putting in work in the 1st half and was on his way to having a huge game and Chan completely ignores him in the 2nd half.

He runs the ball into blitzes. He calls these stupid 2-3 yard slants that do nothing but waste time in critical situations. We never consistently take shots in the end zone when we're in striking distance.

He hires the worst defensive staff ever.

/rant

[Novacane]

It's what you get when all the good choices don't even want to interview for the job.

[Luisito23]

Chan is a horrible coach...I might even go as far as to say he's even worst than Dick.

[kingJofNYC]

They were trailing by 13 points for most of the 4th. How many possessions did we get in the third? Three?

Our OL was piss poor in pass pro. Should've ran more to protective Fitz from those negative plays, poor throws.

[kishoph]

CHAN is not the one throwing the ball.

[Thurmal]

If we had Barry Sanders in his prime, Chan would still only give him 10 carries a game. The guy abandons the run for absolutely no reason. FJax averages 7 ypc and he stops getting the ball. CJ was putting in work in the 1st half and was on his way to having a huge game and Chan completely ignores him in the 2nd half.

He runs the ball into blitzes. He calls these stupid 2-3 yard slants that do nothing but waste time in critical situations. We never consistently take shots in the end zone when we're in striking distance.

He hires the worst defensive staff ever.

/rant Spot-on. You basically took my second-half rant right out of my mouth. Why did they stop running? What was the deal on the TD drive where they ran, like, four mins. off the clock in the redzone? Why wait so late to go to Stevie? Uggghhhh!

[mrbojanglezs]

you guys are nuts for saying Chan is worse than Dick


this team is still rebuilding the team has been killed by injuries mediocre and inconsistent qb play and terrible defensive coaching

Only thing I am blaming chan for is picking edwards as his DC,

you can't keep winning with all the key injuries the Bills have with the lack of depth...

[YardRat]

He needs to hire new coordinators in the off season. If he doesn't, we'll be doomed to yet another sub-par, non-playoff season in '12.

[kingJofNYC]

Yeah, no way he's worse than Dick. If Chan had Schobel the D would be better than it is.

Whatever, I'm glad Brad Smith is getting involved, he looks like a different player the last two weeks.


He needs to hire new coordinators in the off season. If he doesn't, we'll be doomed to yet another sub-par, non-playoff season in '12.

Agree, need coordinator on D, and some more talent.

[Novacane]

you guys are nuts for saying Chan is worse than Dick


this team is still rebuilding the team has been killed by injuries mediocre and inconsistent qb play and terrible defensive coaching

Only thing I am blaming chan for is picking edwards as his DC,

you can't keep winning with all the key injuries the Bills have with the lack of depth...



That's a pretty bad mistake

[Luisito23]

you can't keep winning with all the key injuries the Bills have with the lack of depth...


You also can't keep winning by making dumb ass coaching decisions (too many to mention)

[Mr. Cynical]

Chan is a horrible coach...I might even go as far as to say he's even worst than Dick.

Even I wouldn't go there. Dick was horrendous. Chan is just tepid milk.

[TacklingDummy]

does 6-10 get him fired?

[Novacane]

does 6-10 get him fired?



Probably gets him an extension

[Bangarang]

does 6-10 get him fired?

He needs to get his 3 years of service first so that he can get fired and some other terrible coach can come in and start another cycle of rebuilding.

[TacklingDummy]

Probably gets him an extension
He should have pulled a Dick and asked for an extension after the 4-1 start.

[Cleve]

He needs to get his 3 years of service first so that he can get fired and some other terrible coach can come in and start another cycle of rebuilding.

Yep - everything seems to go in 3 year cycles with this team. Didn't we waste 3 years with Marv Levy and that awful regime of Levy's after wasting 3 years with Donohue's garbage? Maybe I'm losing track of the years, but this team has been terrible for so long it's mind blowing.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

He needs to get his 3 years of service first so that he can get fired and some other terrible coach can come in and start another cycle of rebuilding.
They did axe Mularkey after only two, although he technically resigned after they fired most of his staff. However, this isn't the same situation. One, they'd also have to fire the GM, and two, the lease is up next year and given the past couple years of failing to sell seats at the tail end of the season, their future in Buffalo beyond 2012 is far from given.

Unless Gailey resigns, which I would not rule out (it almost seems as if he may be tanking on purpose), I see him lasting at least one more year. That way, if the team moves, they can start from scratch (again, hopefully the right way).

[Don't Panic]

If Fitz is anywhere near what he was the first 7 weeks, we win this game. Gailey is working with a mediocre product. Expecting more than mediocrity is misguided IMO.

[Skooby]

Are we 5-11 yet?? Merry Xmas, we draft in the top 10.

[Novacane]

Are we 5-11 yet?? Merry Xmas, we draft in the top 10.



Does it matter? I have zero confidence they will get a difference maker no matter where they draft.

[Cleve]

Even the prospect of a good draft placement is hard to get excited about Mitch... we've had lots of opportunities with the team's terrible record over the last decade, yet we still squander them with our substandard scouting.

Rebuilding, to be successful, has to start at the top down in the organization and in the front office.

[Mad Bomber]

Chan is a horrible coach...I might even go as far as to say he's even worst than Dick.
Worse than Dick? What are you smoking? It must be some REALLY BAD ****....

[jimmacie]

While I don't feel Chan is worse than Jauron, his game plans and play selection the past 5 weeks have sucked. There is NO imagination to his offensive scheme. What do we have to lose now at 5-7? How about a few reverses or pitch outs or even a flea flicker or some other play to shake things up. His offense is vanilla and boring. I know we have had more than our share of injuries lately, but I still feel things could be "livened up" somewhat offensively.

Also, when are they going to get rid of Kelsay? He is useless. He was pushed around today like a rag doll. What a waste of money. He should have been gone 2 years ago.

[sqad5]

same thing every sunday.I took this sunday off from watching the game,and enjoyed watching svu with my wife all day.

[BillsFever21]

There is a reason why nobody wanted this guy for a HC and he was out of the NFL for a decade and had to settle for college football. His team wasn't even any good in college either. He just isn't any good. Just the same old for Buffalo.

[Billz_fan]

does 6-10 get him fired?

No probably not but it gets me a W in the Bills Zone prediction contest :laughter:

[BertSquirtgum]

They will definitely be going 5-11.

[RedEyE]

This offense was not built on the RUN. It was built around the pass game, much like the Packers offense, much like the Patriots etc.

It worked well in the begining of the season when the players were executing accordingly and they had the entire roster in good health.

I'm not ready to give up on Chan. I think he's making the most of the right play calls. I think, once again, the Bills level of talent is sub par.

The denfense is in desperate need of some decent OLBs and are seriously struggling without Kyle Williams. They need depth on the DLine as well.

And Fitz is mediocre at best. Despite his new contract, they need to explore other options at QB.

Spiller is a scat back style runner - a poor man's Sproles or Bush. He isn't designed to carry a full load. The entire offense is keyed around a Fred Jackson like player. A guy that runs hard for every yard, bustin skulls, deadly in the pass game, and can pass block.

[DraftBoy]

Chan has one more year but I want a new DC and a new OC who takes the play calls away from Chan.

[Albany,n.y.]

you guys are nuts for saying Chan is worse than Dick


this team is still rebuilding the team has been killed by injuries mediocre and inconsistent qb play and terrible defensive coaching

Only thing I am blaming chan for is picking edwards as his DC,

you can't keep winning with all the key injuries the Bills have with the lack of depth...
Well, let's see. Jauron's teams were also rebuilding. His OCs were getting the same heat that his current DC is getting. The Jauron Bills had a lack of depth & injuries made them worse. Jauron was slow to recognize players talents like leaving Jackson on the bench and not using Roscoe correctly, Gailey is slow to recognize players talents like starting Edwards last year and not using B. Smith as a receiver sooner. So far to me, Gailey looks just like Jauron-a flawed coach dumped by his last team & then promoted to HC after a previous failed stint as an NFL head coach.
BUT.....
The bottom line is your record-you are what your record says you are.
Jauron's win % .421 Gailey's win % .321
Even if Gailey's 2011 Bills win out, which is beyond ridiculous thinking at this point, his win % would jump up to .406, still below Jauron's.
Anyone who says Gailey is worse than Jauron is not nuts-they can back it up with a win % comparison & the fact there is nothing to indicate that Gailey is better than Jauron. I think they're both equally bad, but the numbers say Gailey is worse. So those claiming Gailey is the worse of the two are justified.

[RedEyE]

Chan has one more year but I want a new DC and a new OC who takes the play calls away from Chan.

I would be really impressed if Chan stepped up and fired or demoted Edwards. BUT it has to be Chan's decision and not something induced by Wilson or the FO.

And I'm not ready to turn over the offense to another OC when the team is just getting comfortable with this one. However, I do prefer plays being called down from the booth versus right off the sideline. I think its just too late in Gailey's tenure to make that adjustment.

[jamze132]

Can we finally enter the Barkley sweepstakes?

[better days]

He needs to get his 3 years of service first so that he can get fired and some other terrible coach can come in and start another cycle of rebuilding.

Well, I say he should get at LEAST one more year. The only thing worse than changing Coaches every three years is to change them every two years.

This team needs BETTER players & Continuity. You see very FEW teams that are GOOD that keep changing Coaches.

[EDS]

This offense was not built on the RUN. It was built around the pass game, much like the Packers offense, much like the Patriots etc.

It worked well in the begining of the season when the players were executing accordingly and they had the entire roster in good health.

I'm not ready to give up on Chan. I think he's making the most of the right play calls. I think, once again, the Bills level of talent is sub par.

The denfense is in desperate need of some decent OLBs and are seriously struggling without Kyle Williams. They need depth on the DLine as well.

And Fitz is mediocre at best. Despite his new contract, they need to explore other options at QB.

Spiller is a scat back style runner - a poor man's Sproles or Bush. He isn't designed to carry a full load. The entire offense is keyed around a Fred Jackson like player. A guy that runs hard for every yard, bustin skulls, deadly in the pass game, and can pass block.

When you have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady at QB, or Drew Brees or Payton Manning, you build your offense around the pass/QB. When you have a mediocre journeyman QB you build the offense around the run - which is an obvious thing to do when the best player on your team for the past three seasons is your running back.

[justasportsfan]

We all know now that Chan is no BB. He can only do so much with late draft picks who were meant to be nothing more than just depth.

[Historian]

Well, let's see. Jauron's teams were also rebuilding. His OCs were getting the same heat that his current DC is getting. The Jauron Bills had a lack of depth & injuries made them worse. Jauron was slow to recognize players talents like leaving Jackson on the bench and not using Roscoe correctly, Gailey is slow to recognize players talents like starting Edwards last year and not using B. Smith as a receiver sooner. So far to me, Gailey looks just like Jauron-a flawed coach dumped by his last team & then promoted to HC after a previous failed stint as an NFL head coach.
BUT.....
The bottom line is your record-you are what your record says you are.
Jauron's win % .421 Gailey's win % .321
Even if Gailey's 2011 Bills win out, which is beyond ridiculous thinking at this point, his win % would jump up to .406, still below Jauron's.
Anyone who says Gailey is worse than Jauron is not nuts-they can back it up with a win % comparison & the fact there is nothing to indicate that Gailey is better than Jauron. I think they're both equally bad, but the numbers say Gailey is worse. So those claiming Gailey is the worse of the two are justified.

Excellent past.

The two men are very similar: Jauron had good defenses, and offenses that were painful to watch.

Chan has the reverse: good offense and a defense that at the best of times, gives up 450-500 ypg.

Both are retreads, and both have had teams decimated by injuries.

Yes, Chans % is a little lower, but I expect that to perhaps pick up next year.

The difference is, win or lose, an offensive minded team is more fun to watch than a defensive one, and Chan used to take chances, whil Jauron would punt from his opponents 35.

I think Gailey is going to be okay, he just needs time. Time that impatient Bills fans (rightly so after 11 losing seasons) simply don't want to allow.

This team has been fubared by previous regimes. It's going to take more than two seasons to straighten it out.

[justasportsfan]

No more experimenting with nobodies. We're stuck with Fitz for now but Nix has to find a franchise qb and a proven wr opposite Stevie. We should concentrate building the defense again in the off season.

[RedEyE]

When you have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady at QB, or Drew Brees or Payton Manning, you build your offense around the pass/QB. When you have a mediocre journeyman QB you build the offense around the run - which is an obvious thing to do when the best player on your team for the past three seasons is your running back.

Yeah, that works great when you're a coach in a situation and already know what you have in the way of talent. Chan's style of offense is no secret but the ability and talent level of the players involved are part of the determining process. They virtually have a bunch of unprovens and as a coach you can only assess, expose, examine and game plan around your core talent.

This entire affair is a process. Overall I think Gailey has done well to utlize his offensive talent accordingly. The season has exposed some interesting players.

1) Fred Jackson flourishes in this style offense. Gailey used and abused Jackson in the play calling lifting him to one of the brightest spots on this Bills team.
2) Chandler can explode in the passing game, in the red zone. Gailey, typically not one for utilizing the tight end, instead injected more plays into the game plan to evolve around tight end usage.
3) Injury plagued OLine: he was able to shuffle and use each lineman to the best of their talents not focusing on positioning, but rather nuturing talent and in the process providing exposing those invovled to better levels of experience.
4) Agree with you on the ineptitude of Fitz, but Chan has done well to insert plays that work best to Fitz's level of talent. Fitz connected with this at season's start. Unfortunetly Fitz has skidded down hill since then. Chan can't get Fitz to lift the ball when needed or make a better read across the middle.


In addition to, this is now a passing league whether much of you like it or not.

[EDS]

Yeah, that works great when you're a coach in a situation and already know what you have in the way of talent. Chan's style of offense is no secret but the ability and talent level of the players involved are part of the determining process. They virtually have a bunch of unprovens and as a coach you can only assess, expose, examine and game plan around your core talent.

This entire affair is a process. Overall I think Gailey has done well to utlize his offensive talent accordingly. The season has exposed some interesting players.

1) Fred Jackson flourishes in this style offense. Gailey used and abused Jackson in the play calling lifting him to one of the brightest spots on this Bills team.
2) Chandler can explode in the passing game, in the red zone. Gailey, typically not one for utilizing the tight end, instead injected more plays into the game plan to evolve around tight end usage.
3) Injury plagued OLine: he was able to shuffle and use each lineman to the best of their talents not focusing on positioning, but rather nuturing talent and in the process providing exposing those invovled to better levels of experience.
4) Agree with you on the ineptitude of Fitz, but Chan has done well to insert plays that work best to Fitz's level of talent. Fitz connected with this at season's start. Unfortunetly Fitz has skidded down hill since then. Chan can't get Fitz to lift the ball when needed or make a better read across the middle.


In addition to, this is now a passing league whether much of you like it or not.

THIS IS CHAN'S SECOND SEASON WITH THE TEAM!!!!!!!! When is he going to figure out his personnel?

[Bangarang]

Oh look, Chan has again decided to stop feeding Spiller the ball and instead is giving Choice carries. Spiller is averaging 8 yards a carry with a TD but Chan loves him those Georgia Tech guys. Not to mention he calls a wildcat play for Choice when we're paying Brad Smith $4m a season to be our wildcat specialist. GTFO Chan. I'm tired of your terrible game management. Your ******ed play calling. And your ******ed decision to not only hire George Edwards, but to support him and keep him on your staff.

JUST GTFO

[Luisito23]

And people thought I was crazy when I said that Jauron was better.

[unpaid_bills]

he got out coached by Todd Bowles. Bills coaches and players look like they quit - hate to say it. We look overmatched every week, dont have enough talent, depth or playmakers. Can't stop the run, can't make a 3rd down, and we turn the ball over -- Add into the mix poor coaching and there you have it.

The players have to go out there and play with some emotion and heart - it sure looks like they are very frustrated sort of looking around looking for someone to make a play -- going through the motions. I hope its not the case afterall they are professionals right?

[paladin warrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPXcuSLm5N0