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DraftBoy
12-18-2011, 09:59 PM
The loss today made me want to do a new mock draft so this is what I came up with, 9 picks with reasoning all explained.

http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2011/12/buffalo-bills-7-round-mock-draft-v2-0/

Ed
12-18-2011, 10:15 PM
So you think Adams is a top 10 prospect, or are you still projecting the Bills to pick around 12-15?

BertSquirtgum
12-18-2011, 10:23 PM
I don't like the first pick. Bills should draft Michael Floyd if Blackmon is gone.

DraftBoy
12-18-2011, 10:46 PM
So you think Adams is a top 10 prospect, or are you still projecting the Bills to pick around 12-15?

I think he's close to be a top 10 prospect.

No, Ive lowered my projection to 7-10 thanks to inept coaching.

DraftBoy
12-18-2011, 10:47 PM
I don't like the first pick. Bills should draft Michael Floyd if Blackmon is gone.

LT is a far greater need than WR, rookie WR's traditionally take longer to develop. Would rather sign a FA and add a second tier to mid level draft pick.

Bangarang
12-18-2011, 11:40 PM
LT is a far greater need than WR, rookie WR's traditionally take longer to develop. Would rather sign a FA and add a second tier to mid level draft pick.

Good luck with hoping to get any impact WR signings. I bet Nix thinks this was a coming out game for Ruvell Martin and doesn't think we need any help at WR.

Bert102176
12-19-2011, 12:50 AM
I don't like the first pick. Bills should draft Michael Floyd if Blackmon is gone.



ABSO FREAKIN LUTELY

Bert102176
12-19-2011, 01:15 AM
under drafting Cousins you mention after Fitz fades, well he has faded and we have no one else

tampabay25690
12-19-2011, 06:47 AM
Not sure LT is are biggest need but can't say that i would be upset with the pick either.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 06:53 AM
Good luck with hoping to get any impact WR signings. I bet Nix thinks this was a coming out game for Ruvell Martin and doesn't think we need any help at WR.

Here is the current 2012 FA Class:

Reggie Wayne (IND)
Wes Welker (NE)
Vincent Jackson (SD)
DeSean Jackson (PHI)
Dwayne Bowe (KC)
Marques Colston (NO)
Steve Johnson (BUF)
Brandon Lloyd (STL)
Robert Meachem (NO)
Mario Manningham (NYG)
Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights


http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html

I can see 3-4 players I'd target not named Bowe, Jackson, or Colston who would help our team immediately at the WR spot. It's not about always getting the top guys as much as it is getting guys that fit into your system and compliment what you already have.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 06:54 AM
under drafting Cousins you mention after Fitz fades, well he has faded and we have no one else

You can't throw a kid like Cousins in there right away, and we aren't looking like we'll be in position to draft a top 3 QB right now.

Give Fitz 6-10 games next year and then let a draft pick take over.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 06:55 AM
Not sure LT is are biggest need but can't say that i would be upset with the pick either.

Id say it is, we have no capable LT right now. Bell is likely gone and Hairston is being used at the wrong position. One of the things I'll give Gailey credit for is that he recognized that Hairston was not playing up to snuff at LT.

DesertFox24
12-19-2011, 09:52 AM
I want nothing to do with Bruce Irvin, he looks like Aaron Maybin.

Mike Adams is intriguing he has light feet and he fits the Buddy Nix height weight standard for OL.

Night Train
12-19-2011, 10:01 AM
The loss today made me want to do a new mock draft so this is what I came up with, 9 picks with reasoning all explained.

http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2011/12/buffalo-bills-7-round-mock-draft-v2-0/

This line of thinking has no chance of happening with the Bills DB, because it makes complete sense.

Ed
12-19-2011, 10:15 AM
I say re-sign Bell. I can't imagine he's in a position to command that much money. He was playing well before his injury. Having Bell, Pears, and Hairston in the mix for the next few years at least gives us adequate starters and a good depth player. Maybe use another 4th or 5th rounder on another prospect similar to Hairston.

Re-sign Stevie and add a player like Eddie Royal. Maybe we'd even get to see Easley play next year. I also really like the pick of Streeter, but with his size and speed I could see another team being intrigued enough by him to take a chance on him before the 4th round.

I wouldn't be opposed to an OT in the first, but I feel comfortable enough with what we have that I'd rather see us grab an impact defensive player. I would love to see us get RGIII, but I just don't think a qb is realistic right now. I don't think the Bills want to draft a qb and I don't think we'll be high enough to have a shot at one. If we end up picking 7-10, I think CB's Claiborne or Kirkpatrick become realistic options.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 10:36 AM
I want nothing to do with Bruce Irvin, he looks like Aaron Maybin.

Mike Adams is intriguing he has light feet and he fits the Buddy Nix height weight standard for OL.

Like we are seeing with Maybin there are ways to use players like that if you have the coaches who are good.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 10:37 AM
I say re-sign Bell. I can't imagine he's in a position to command that much money. He was playing well before his injury. Having Bell, Pears, and Hairston in the mix for the next few years at least gives us adequate starters and a good depth player. Maybe use another 4th or 5th rounder on another prospect similar to Hairston.
Re-sign Stevie and add a player like Eddie Royal. Maybe we'd even get to see Easley play next year. I also really like the pick of Streeter, but with his size and speed I could see another team being intrigued enough by him to take a chance on him before the 4th round.

I wouldn't be opposed to an OT in the first, but I feel comfortable enough with what we have that I'd rather see us grab an impact defensive player. I would love to see us get RGIII, but I just don't think a qb is realistic right now. I don't think the Bills want to draft a qb and I don't think we'll be high enough to have a shot at one. If we end up picking 7-10, I think CB's Claiborne or Kirkpatrick become realistic options.

Nothing I've seen this season from the LT combo of Bell or Hairston gives me any reason to resign Bell or keep Hairston at LT.

Mike13
12-19-2011, 11:05 AM
Do you think the Dolphins are completley out of RGIII or Barkely contest without a tradeup?

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 11:20 AM
Do you think the Dolphins are completley out of RGIII or Barkely contest without a tradeup?

Yes.

The Jokeman
12-19-2011, 11:44 AM
I like that mock with the exception of Korey Williams as three LBs in one draft a bit excessive. As rather us use that pick on a TE prospect. Brian Linthicum comes to mind as an athletic guy who has some history with Cousins. As I'm not sold of Scott Chandler being anything more than a redzone specialist.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 11:57 AM
I like that mock with the exception of Korey Williams as three LBs in one draft a bit excessive. As rather us use that pick on a TE prospect. Brian Linthicum comes to mind as an athletic guy who has some history with Cousins. As I'm not sold of Scott Chandler being anything more than a redzone specialist.

Valid point, not sold on Lithicum but a guy like Chichester or Middleton could be an interesting add.

PTI
12-19-2011, 11:57 AM
Heck, I would take 2 QBs next year. Packers took Rodgers in 2005 when they had Favre in round 1, and in 2008 before Rodgers was really playing they took Brohm in round 2 and Matt Flynn in round 7 in same draft. They get it, you need QBs to win big, they got to trade Favre, Brohms did not work out, and now they have a chance to perhaps trade Matt Flynn, we will see. Patriots draft QBs all the time and they have Brady and turned Cassel into picks and now have the next guy perhaps in Mallet. To me those two teams and the Steelers, who have also drafted QBs since Big Ben and brought in guys like Batch and Leftwich.

QB in round 1 please, trade up for the guy, and if you think there is a guy to trade back into round 1 that is good, I would not be fearful of doing the same thing they did when they got Losman. I would rather Gailey and Nix not be the guys running the team and draft at that point, because if they did that they would not see the end result.

k-oneputt
12-19-2011, 12:06 PM
To early for Adams. not a top 10 pick.
Irvin isn't even an everydown player at W. Virg. Do we want a situational undersized pass rusher with a top 40 pick ? I don't.

Don't like this draft at all.

This draft looks like the typical Bills drafts for the last 12 years.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 12:08 PM
To early for Adams. not a top 10 pick.
Irvin isn't even an everydown player at W. Virg. Do we want a situational undersized pass rusher with a top 40 pick ? I don't.

Don't like this draft at all.

This draft looks like the typical Bills drafts for the last 12 years.

OT's are over valued just like QB's. Value wise he may not be the best fit but he's a very good LT prospect that I don't mind reaching for.

Not a fair critique of Irvin, you have to understand their system and if you do, then you know why its not fair.

It will change a lot, this like everything else is meant to encourage discussion and foster development.

k-oneputt
12-19-2011, 12:10 PM
Adams as you said has problems with the speed. More a rt imo.

and I wouldn't take Irvin in the top three rounds.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 02:06 PM
Adams as you said has problems with the speed. More a rt imo.

and I wouldn't take Irvin in the top three rounds.

Sometimes yes, not always though. Depends on his get off and with his suspension he started slow. Dominant in 2009.

I think he'll go before round four.

Mike13
12-19-2011, 02:36 PM
These are the final PROJECTIONS from Playoff Status


1. Indianapolis 1-15 (.540)
2. St Louis 2-14 (.590)
3. Minnesota 3-13 (.560)
4. Cleveland 4-12 (.530)
5. Jacksonville 5-11 (.500)
6. Buffalo 5-11 (.520)
7. Miami 5-11 (.520)
8. Tampa Bay 5-11 (.540)
9. Washington 6-10 (.470)
10. Carolina 6-10 (.510)
11. Philadelphia 7-9 (.500)
12. Kansas City 7-9 (.520)
13. Arizona 8-8 (.470)
13. Tennessee 8-8 (.470)
14. Seattle 8-8 (.510)
15. Oakland 8-8 (.510)

DesertFox24
12-19-2011, 02:44 PM
Like we are seeing with Maybin there are ways to use players like that if you have the coaches who are good.

yes I do not mind drafting a situational pass rusher later, but I am looking for starters in the first two rounds and then depth and projects later.

DesertFox24
12-19-2011, 02:46 PM
To early for Adams. not a top 10 pick.
Irvin isn't even an everydown player at W. Virg. Do we want a situational undersized pass rusher with a top 40 pick ? I don't.

Don't like this draft at all.

This draft looks like the typical Bills drafts for the last 12 years.

I am not a fan either Draftboy.

K-one I think Nix did a much better job last years draft, but yes you are correct we have drafted horribly and that is why we are where are now.

We have no depth and not even talented front line starters, we have some but not a lot.

DraftBoy
12-19-2011, 03:42 PM
yes I do not mind drafting a situational pass rusher later, but I am looking for starters in the first two rounds and then depth and projects later.

Who said anything about situational pass rushers? I think Irvin can start and become a 3 down LB in a 34 scheme.

TigerJ
12-19-2011, 10:32 PM
Who are the left tackles that you expect to be gone before Buffalo drafts? Conventional wisdom seems to be that Kalil and Martin will be gone. Some mockers have Reilly Reif as a top ten pick now, some having him go to Buffalo.

jpdex12
12-19-2011, 11:50 PM
These are the final PROJECTIONS from Playoff Status


1. Indianapolis 1-15 (.540)
2. St Louis 2-14 (.590)
3. Minnesota 3-13 (.560)
4. Cleveland 4-12 (.530)
5. Jacksonville 5-11 (.500)
6. Buffalo 5-11 (.520)
7. Miami 5-11 (.520)
8. Tampa Bay 5-11 (.540)
9. Washington 6-10 (.470)
10. Carolina 6-10 (.510)
11. Philadelphia 7-9 (.500)
12. Kansas City 7-9 (.520)
13. Arizona 8-8 (.470)
13. Tennessee 8-8 (.470)
14. Seattle 8-8 (.510)
15. Oakland 8-8 (.510)

I hope the frig this is right!

jpdex12
12-19-2011, 11:53 PM
I think you are going to have ot go back to the draft board Draftboy...how can Hairston go to RT when we just extended Pears at the RT position?

This group of coaches has visions of Hairston or Bell at LT and my guess is Hairston since they drafted him.

Although we need a LT I would hope that we end up with a higher pick to grab either Griffin or Barkley...Fitz is not the long term answer...

DraftBoy
12-20-2011, 06:54 AM
Who are the left tackles that you expect to be gone before Buffalo drafts? Conventional wisdom seems to be that Kalil and Martin will be gone. Some mockers have Reilly Reif as a top ten pick now, some having him go to Buffalo.

I expect Kalil and Reif to both be gone in the top 10.

DraftBoy
12-20-2011, 06:56 AM
I think you are going to have ot go back to the draft board Draftboy...how can Hairston go to RT when we just extended Pears at the RT position?
This group of coaches has visions of Hairston or Bell at LT and my guess is Hairston since they drafted him.

Although we need a LT I would hope that we end up with a higher pick to grab either Griffin or Barkley...Fitz is not the long term answer...

Pretty simple, Hairston isn't a LT, and Pears wasn't given so much money that he can't be moved to the top swing tackle position.

This group of coaches may want to re-examine Gailey's statement about how Hairston hasn't been that goood.

Agreed on that last part, just dont think any of them will be there at 10.

DesertFox24
12-20-2011, 07:07 AM
Who said anything about situational pass rushers? I think Irvin can start and become a 3 down LB in a 34 scheme.

I watched him against Louisville and West Virgina and he could not disengage off of blocks, and all I saw was the patent Aaron Maybin run around the tackle and one stunt where he got a sack.

I would rather have Lindsey, Curry, Andre Branch, Brandon Jenkins, Nick Perry in the second than him.

Irvin scares me.

cgbm
12-20-2011, 07:10 AM
The loss today made me want to do a new mock draft so this is what I came up with, 9 picks with reasoning all explained.

http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2011/12/buffalo-bills-7-round-mock-draft-v2-0/

i dont like that draft at all.

guess were aiming for a c-d grade again?

DesertFox24
12-20-2011, 07:13 AM
I think you are going to have ot go back to the draft board Draftboy...how can Hairston go to RT when we just extended Pears at the RT position?

This group of coaches has visions of Hairston or Bell at LT and my guess is Hairston since they drafted him.

Although we need a LT I would hope that we end up with a higher pick to grab either Griffin or Barkley...Fitz is not the long term answer...

Oh I agree Fitz is not the long term answer, but after that contract they will not draft a first round or second round QB this year.

They are going and should try and fix the defense and add more OL depth.

Another poster mentioned 2 new WRs those guys are already on the team. Brad Smith and Marcus Easley, both are over 6.2 and run 4.42 and 4.39 respectfully at the combine. Say what you will about it, but they are going to give these guys a chance and try to improve the defense which is a MUST.

Hopefully a full offseason will help Fitz with his timing with Brad Smith and hopefully a full year under our strength and conditioning will help with the injuries. Yes I am being an optimist.

Hopefully if we draft some OLBs we will not see Spencer Johnson lined up or Carrington lined up at OLB ever again, they need to stay on the DL.

Hopefully a better defense and a healthier offense and more OL depth will lead to a legitimate team and 8 wins or more.

I have a feeling the jets and phins are going to struggle for 500 next year, the phins new system new QB, and the jets are going to take a big hit to their ego and their front 7 is getting worse.

DesertFox24
12-20-2011, 07:17 AM
All that said.

I believe we draft a late round QB because of Brad Smiths full time move to WR and we need a 3rd QB.

They will also look to improve the defense via FA and the draft.

They will give Fitz the 2012 season as unquestioned starter to see what he can do, if he fails we draft a QB in the 2013 season.

Keep in mind Fitz was awesome the first 8 weeks of the season and has played well at the jets and one other game which I am forgetting.

Also his play noticeably got worse when wood went down. I am not sure that is the reason but maybe Woods loss hurt more than we think. I do know he is getting a lot more pressure up the middle and has not had the time he did the first 8 weeks.

DraftBoy
12-20-2011, 07:22 AM
I watched him against Louisville and West Virgina and he could not disengage off of blocks, and all I saw was the patent Aaron Maybin run around the tackle and one stunt where he got a sack.

I would rather have Lindsey, Curry, Andre Branch, Brandon Jenkins, Nick Perry in the second than him.

Irvin scares me.

Yes but keep in mind his role, West Virginia runs a 3-3-5 defense, he's not playing near the same position or in the same amount space he would be in our 34. What you did see though was a guy who flies off the ball, has good athleticism and knows how to rush.

I agree he must get stronger at the POA but that can happen. Nobody in this class has the first step Irvin does.

DraftBoy
12-20-2011, 07:22 AM
i dont like that draft at all.

guess were aiming for a c-d grade again?

I aim for nothing more when mocking the Bills. I try and at least be realistic after all.

stuckincincy
12-20-2011, 07:46 AM
I aim for nothing more when mocking the Bills. I try and at least be realistic after all.


I love a good double entendre. :cheers:

DesertFox24
12-20-2011, 07:53 AM
Yes but keep in mind his role, West Virginia runs a 3-3-5 defense, he's not playing near the same position or in the same amount space he would be in our 34. What you did see though was a guy who flies off the ball, has good athleticism and knows how to rush.

I agree he must get stronger at the POA but that can happen. Nobody in this class has the first step Irvin does.

Hopefully he goes to the senior bowl, and we can see him against better competition.

cgbm
12-20-2011, 08:06 AM
I aim for nothing more when mocking the Bills. I try and at least be realistic after all.

so your a realist.

i like it.

TigerJ
12-20-2011, 10:17 AM
All that said.

I believe we draft a late round QB because of Brad Smiths full time move to WR and we need a 3rd QB.

They will also look to improve the defense via FA and the draft.

They will give Fitz the 2012 season as unquestioned starter to see what he can do, if he fails we draft a QB in the 2013 season.

I agree that Fitz is likely to start the season as the unquestioned starter, but whether or not he finishes that way will depend on two factors, the backup, andhow well he plays out of the gate. If he starts strong like he did this season, he probably buys himself some more time. If he starts out like he has played the last few games, I don't think he will leave Gailey with much choice. His play at QB on Sunday was the worst quarterback play in the league. Gailey knows he won't survive next season if he stays with a QB who is giving him the worst QB play in the league.

DraftBoy
12-20-2011, 10:36 AM
Hopefully he goes to the senior bowl, and we can see him against better competition.

I have a full list to who has been invited on my site, link is in the Scouting Zone.

DesertFox24
12-20-2011, 12:53 PM
I have a full list to who has been invited on my site, link is in the Scouting Zone.

I know he has been invited but I want to see him go.