Stevie Johnson could be the Bills first

[Extremebillsfan247]

He has a legitimate shot this coming weekend to be the first Bills receiver to have back to back 1,000 yard seasons. He needs 46 more receiving yards. Not bad for a former 7th rounder (224th overall in 2008). Bills need to get him back for 2012 and beyond. JMO

[THATHURMANATOR]

Can't believe Reed never had back to back 1000 yards seasons.

I will be so pissed if the Bills let him go.

[OpIv37]

This team will not win with Stevie Johnson as the #1 WR. He's too immature, too inconsistent, and isn't clutch. People like to forget those things because he put up good numbers against Darrelle Revis in two LOSSES.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with him because we have a steep drop-off at WR behind him. But, don't expect to win unless we find a true #1, or at least a 1a/1b situation, to compliment him (which won't happen if we pay Stevie because Ralph won't commit that much money to one position).

Ahhh, good ole' mediocrity. It may not be ideal, but at least we're comfortable here.

[DrGraves]

he'll probably be playing in 49ers uniform next year

[OpIv37]

he'll probably be playing in 49ers uniform next year

but he has to tweet that he signed with Cincy first, then back out and sign with San Fran.

[THATHURMANATOR]

This team will not win with Stevie Johnson as the #1 WR. He's too immature, too inconsistent, and isn't clutch. People like to forget those things because he put up good numbers against Darrelle Revis in two LOSSES.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with him because we have a steep drop-off at WR behind him. But, don't expect to win unless we find a true #1, or at least a 1a/1b situation, to compliment him (which won't happen if we pay Stevie because Ralph won't commit that much money to one position).

Ahhh, good ole' mediocrity. It may not be ideal, but at least we're comfortable here.
Who says he has to be the # 1 Receiver? We get rid of him then who is our #1? David Nelson? Get real man.

Keep Johnson and look to upgrade as well.

[OpIv37]

Keep Johnson and look to upgrade as well.

It won't happen.

If they pay Stevie, they won't pay another WR. They'll claim that locking Stevie up and getting Parrish back is enough to fix the position. Same thing with the OL- they locked up Pears, and we'll get Wood and probably Bell back, so they will say the OL is fine.

It's how this team does business, and it's how they will continue to do business as long as Ralph controls the purse strings.
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[THATHURMANATOR]

It won't happen.

If they pay Stevie, they won't pay another WR. They'll claim that locking Stevie up and getting Parrish back is enough to fix the position. Same thing with the OL- they locked up Pears, and we'll get Wood and probably Bell back, so they will say the OL is fine.

It's how this team does business, and it's how they will continue to do business as long as Ralph controls the purse strings.
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Ok yep let Johnson go. Nelson and Roosevelt will be enough

[Jan Reimers]

I think Moulds and Reed had back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons.

[JoeMama]

He has a legitimate shot this coming weekend to be the first Bills receiver to have back to back 1,000 yard seasons. He needs 46 more receiving yards. Not bad for a former 7th rounder (224th overall in 2008). Bills need to get him back for 2012 and beyond. JMO

Franchise tag, generous contract extension, whatever it takes, just keep him in a Bills uniform.

If Stevie isn't playing for the Bills in 2012, the implication is crystal clear. We have no intention of winning. Nix keeps saying that we'll win by building through the draft. Well, you have to retain what little talent you do have in order to win.

So, OBD is on the clock. Make it happen.

[ThunderGun]

It won't happen.

If they pay Stevie, they won't pay another WR. They'll claim that locking Stevie up and getting Parrish back is enough to fix the position. Same thing with the OL- they locked up Pears, and we'll get Wood and probably Bell back, so they will say the OL is fine.

It's how this team does business, and it's how they will continue to do business as long as Ralph controls the purse strings.


Unfortunately, I think you're right.

[EricStratton]

I think Moulds and Reed had back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons.


Reed had 4 1000 yard years but never back to back, same with Moulds.

[OpIv37]

Ok yep let Johnson go. Nelson and Roosevelt will be enough

I never said that.

What I'm saying is this: This team is not good enough to win, and one of the reasons is because Stevie Johnson is our #1 WR. Unfortunately the FO has put us in a situation where we have no other options. So, expect us to re-sign Stevie. Just don't expect us to win.

Remember, we've had Johnson for the last two years. It's gotten us all of 9 wins in 31 games. You can't do the same thing and expect different results. Well, you can, but you'd be insane.

[OpIv37]

We have no intention of winning. .

keeping Stevie may show the intention of winning.

But intending to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

[zone]

I think Moulds and Reed had back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons.
Na,
Moulds did 1,292 - 904 - 1,326 - 994 - 1,368
Reed did 1,303 - 854 - 913 - 1,113 - 945 - 1,312 - 968

[THATHURMANATOR]

I never said that.

What I'm saying is this: This team is not good enough to win, and one of the reasons is because Stevie Johnson is our #1 WR. Unfortunately the FO has put us in a situation where we have no other options. So, expect us to re-sign Stevie. Just don't expect us to win.

Remember, we've had Johnson for the last two years. It's gotten us all of 9 wins in 31 games. You can't do the same thing and expect different results. Well, you can, but you'd be insane.
I don't think our lack of wins is because of Steve Johnson, well maybe, 2 games we could say that I suppose :D

The problem is not keeping the good players. Johnson is a very good player. Why let a good player leave the team? Makes no sense.

We need to keep good players like Johnson and shore up the real problems like lack of pass rush.

I know you will disagree with this statement so I am not sure why I posted it other than it was on my mind.

[OpIv37]

I don't think our lack of wins is because of Steve Johnson, well maybe, 2 games we could say that I suppose :D

The problem is not keeping the good players. Johnson is a very good player. Why let a good player leave the team? Makes no sense.

We need to keep good players like Johnson and shore up the real problems like lack of pass rush.

I know you will disagree with this statement so I am not sure why I posted it other than it was on my mind.

The problem is that our good players aren't really good- they're good enough.

[Figster]

The problem is that our good players aren't really good- they're good enough.


Marcus Easley will take care of the problem of needing a legit 1 next season If he stays healthy in my opinion.

Easley and SJ will make a good 1, 2 punch...

[THATHURMANATOR]

The problem is that our good players aren't really good- they're good enough.
Hmm our 2 all time great Wide receivers Andre Reed and Eric Moulds never put together 2 straight 1000 yard seasons.

I would say that is more than Good enough.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Marcus Easley will take care of the problem of needing a legit 1 next season If he stays healthy in my opinion.


This is a joke right?

I am not confident Marcus Easley will ever even take 1 regular season NFL stat let alone easily step into our #1 WR role.

[ThunderGun]

Marcus Easley will take care of the problem of needing a legit 1 next season If he stays healthy in my opinion.

Easley and SJ will make a good 1, 2 punch...
Yeah, and Merriman will take care of our pass-rush needs if he stays healthy.

Unfortunately, neither of them will.

[ZAZusmc03]

This is a joke right?

I am not confident Marcus Easley will ever even take 1 regular season NFL stat let alone easily step into our #1 WR role.

I was thinking the same thing. I was excited for this season to see what Easley had....but we all know how that turned out. The dude hasnt played in 1 reg season game in 2 seasons. Until he does, and does well, I'll just assume he isn't on the team.

[OpIv37]

Hmm our 2 all time great Wide receivers Andre Reed and Eric Moulds never put together 2 straight 1000 yard seasons.

I would say that is more than Good enough.

Really? How many Super Bowls did we win with Reed? How many playoff games did we win with Moulds?

[OpIv37]

btw, 1000 yard season over 16 games is 62.5 yards a game, assuming no injuries. That's only OK for a WR and it's terrible for an RB.

[OpIv37]

Marcus Easley will take care of the problem of needing a legit 1 next season If he stays healthy in my opinion.

Easley and SJ will make a good 1, 2 punch...


Bills fans (or at least the ones on this board) always seem to get obsessed with the potential of a workout warrior type- some guy who looks great in practice and/or preseason but has never proven **** on the field. I can't recall one instance in which one of these guys actually became productive. Hell, in most cases I can't even remember their names because they turned out to be so irrelevant.

The current incarnation of this is Marcus Easley. I'd love for him to hit the field and be a force, but the longer it takes him to do it, the less likely it becomes.

[The Jokeman]

btw, 1000 yard season over 16 games is 62.5 yards a game, assuming no injuries. That's only OK for a WR and it's terrible for an RB.
The great Andre Reed averaged 56.4 yards per game for his career. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/37 Say what you want but Stevie is a #1 WR in the NFL, is he an elite number 1 like Larry Fitzgerald? No but he's one of the best in the free agent landscape so keep him and find someone to compliment him as a #2 threat in the passing game. My vote is for JerMichael Finley as I don't see Chandler as nothing more than a red zone specialist.

[OpIv37]

The great Andre Reed averaged 56.4 yards per game for his career. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/37 Say what you want but Stevie is a #1 WR in the NFL, is he an elite number 1 like Larry Fitzgerald? No but he's one of the best in the free agent landscape so keep him and find someone to compliment him as a #2 threat in the passing game. My vote is for JerMichael Finley as I don't see Chandler as nothing more than a red zone specialist.

Do you honestly trust the Bills FO to do this though? Stevie will likely get a contract that averages in the $9 mil a year range, most likely heavily front-loaded with a huge signing bonus to mitigate the cap hit in the out years.

Do you really believe that Ralph is going to allow Nix to go out and spend more money on receiving threats after he has to hand Stevie a $25 million check?

[better days]

This is a joke right?

I am not confident Marcus Easley will ever even take 1 regular season NFL stat let alone easily step into our #1 WR role.

If healthy, I think he & Stevie could make a good pair of WR's I don't care who is called #1 or #2.

[better days]

Do you honestly trust the Bills FO to do this though? Stevie will likely get a contract that averages in the $9 mil a year range, most likely heavily front-loaded with a huge signing bonus to mitigate the cap hit in the out years.

Do you really believe that Ralph is going to allow Nix to go out and spend more money on receiving threats after he has to hand Stevie a $25 million check?

Well, after next year, the Bills will be forced to spend more money. We only have to put up with Ralphs Cheapness one more year.

[OpIv37]

and before anyone says this:

"you can't have elite players at every position"

don't forget that we don't have elite players at ANY position, and we allow the FO to get away with this excuse at EVERY position. Maybe I could live without a Larry Fitzgerald level WR IF we had a couple of the following: elite QB, elite shut-down corner, elite LT, elite pass-rushing DE/OLB, elite receiving TE, etc, but we don't have ANY of those things.

You could make the case that we are elite at the RB position, but that's it. Unacceptable. We are not going to win if we keep re-signing guys like Stevie and Pears. At some point, we need to add elite talent to the "good enough" guys.

[OpIv37]

Well, after next year, the Bills will be forced to spend more money. We only have to put up with Ralphs Cheapness one more year.

I have to wonder about that. I'm sure Ralph already has his bean counters looking to see if there are loopholes he can use by front-loading bonuses or using cut player salary that's already been paid or something like that.

[Forward_Lateral]

OPI, you are a moron. Brian Moorman is an elite punter/holder. Tyler Thigpen is an elite clipboard holder and Ryan Fitzpatrick is an elite beard grower.

[The Jokeman]

and before anyone says this:

"you can't have elite players at every position"

don't forget that we don't have elite players at ANY position, and we allow the FO to get away with this excuse at EVERY position. Maybe I could live without a Larry Fitzgerald level WR IF we had a couple of the following: elite QB, elite shut-down corner, elite LT, elite pass-rushing DE/OLB, elite receiving TE, etc, but we don't have ANY of those things.

You could make the case that we are elite at the RB position, but that's it. Unacceptable. We are not going to win if we keep re-signing guys like Stevie and Pears. At some point, we need to add elite talent to the "good enough" guys.
The problem isn't signing Pears and Johnsons. The problem is as you eluded to only signing them. As we need to lock in the little talent we have now and supplement it with more talent. Instead of losing what we have and replacing it with inferior talent.

[zone]

Bills fans (or at least the ones on this board) always seem to get obsessed with the potential of a workout warrior type- some guy who looks great in practice and/or preseason but has never proven **** on the field. I can't recall one instance in which one of these guys actually became productive. Hell, in most cases I can't even remember their names because they turned out to be so irrelevant.

The current incarnation of this is Marcus Easley. I'd love for him to hit the field and be a force, but the longer it takes him to do it, the less likely it becomes.
Well to name a couple Steve Johnson, Jabari Greer, Jason Peters.

I am not saying ti will happen with Easley, but it does happen.

[trapezeus]

the guy is young, and has put up 1000 yards with fitz being awful. against miami, he put up 40% of the yards. he owns revis.

yes he has a couple high profile drops. but he's 25. it's not like he's 30 and making these mistakes.

if the bills don't sign him, all ralph's comments about wanting weapons for fitz to be his guy is an utter joke. Which i suspect will be the case.

the bills will let stevie go, draft a WR, we'll be told to wait and when he gets good, rinse and repeat.

[zone]

the guy is young, and has put up 1000 yards with fitz being awful. against miami, he put up 40% of the yards. he owns revis.

yes he has a couple high profile drops. but he's 25. it's not like he's 30 and making these mistakes.

if the bills don't sign him, all ralph's comments about wanting weapons for fitz to be his guy is an utter joke. Which i suspect will be the case.

the bills will let stevie go, draft a WR, we'll be told to wait and when he gets good, rinse and repeat.
Not to mention he really only has been playing for 2 years, Mould's had less than 600 yards and 2 TD's combine in his first couple of years and dropped easy passes more than a couple of times in his early and even later career (he also made mind boggling catches though).

[Meathead]

besides tim connolly thinks marcus easley is fragile

[EDS]

This is a joke right?

I am not confident Marcus Easley will ever even take 1 regular season NFL stat let alone easily step into our #1 WR role.

What are you talking about? Easley is at least as good as Megatron. He dominated preseason two years ago you know!!!!

[better days]

What are you talking about? Easley is at least as good as Megatron. He dominated preseason two years ago you know!!!!

He's not Megatron, but if healthy, he could be the best reciever on the field for the Bills next year, if the Bills lose Stevie.

[OpIv37]

What are you talking about? Easley is at least as good as Megatron. He dominated preseason two years ago you know!!!!

I wish the NFL had an objective stat for "potential." We'd be in the top 5 ever year. And we'd lead the league every year in a closely related category: "unrealized potential."

[better days]

I wish the NFL had an objective stat for "potential." We'd be in the top 5 ever year. And we'd lead the league every year in a closely related category: "unrealized potential."

The Bills may lead the NFL in unrealized potential, then again maybe not. As far as potential, I think the GOOD teams would win that hands down.

EVERY player that comes into the NFL from college only brings POTENTIAL with him.

[EDS]

I wish the NFL had an objective stat for "potential." We'd be in the top 5 ever year. And we'd lead the league every year in a closely related category: "unrealized potential."

Unfortunately, the Bills are not even that good. The "potential" is largely the figment of the Bills brass and fanbase's imagination (i.e., recall people saying they rather have Lynch then Peterson; JP being better then Eli; Bell being the next great left tackle; Poz the next great middle linebacker; Jasper being a force of nature, etc.). Easley is the latest in the trend.

[HopefulBillsFan]

its nice to have our first, considering its 2011

[YardRat]

Well, he needed 36 to crack 1000 and right now he's still on the bench with 40.

Congratulations on the personal accomplishment, you selfish bastard.