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[OpIv37]

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Chan benching Stevie lowered our chances of winning, pretty F-in stupid for a coach hanging on to a job.

I think a lot of you still don't quite get it.

The problem isn't that we don't have the luxury of benching our most talented players. No team in the NFL has that luxury.

The problem is that our most talented players aren't talented enough. Why is it that our 2nd most talented offensive player (and the most talented with FJ out with an injury) has to be a ****ing headcase?

No one on this team is really good- they're good enough. Ralph has assembled a team of guys that are good enough to get by masquerading as an NFL team, but when push comes to shove, they're just not talented enough.

We shouldn't have to rely on guys like Stevie, Fitz, Pears, Bell/Hairston, Kelsay, Heard, Moats, etc, because we should either have more talented guys in their place, or at least more talented guys playing around them so they don't have to be counted on to win the game. These guys should not be the "most talented" guys on any team, and wouldn't be on most teams in the NFL. But because of cheapness and mismanagement, our "most talented" players are 2nd or 3rd tier by NFL standards.

Thanks, Ralph.

[ThunderGun]

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My reaction to most of your posts is "unfortunately, he's right."

This one is no exception.

[B-DON]

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I think a lot of you still don't quite get it.

The problem isn't that we don't have the luxury of benching our most talented players. No team in the NFL has that luxury.

The problem is that our most talented players aren't talented enough. Why is it that our 2nd most talented offensive player (and the most talented with FJ out with an injury) has to be a ****ing headcase?

No one on this team is really good- they're good enough. Ralph has assembled a team of guys that are good enough to get by masquerading as an NFL team, but when push comes to shove, they're just not talented enough.

We shouldn't have to rely on guys like Stevie, Fitz, Pears, Bell/Hairston, Kelsay, Heard, Moats, etc, because we should either have more talented guys in their place, or at least more talented guys playing around them so they don't have to be counted on to win the game. These guys should not be the "most talented" guys on any team, and wouldn't be on most teams in the NFL. But because of cheapness and mismanagement, our "most talented" players are 2nd or 3rd tier by NFL standards.

Thanks, Ralph.

Your hate for Stevie is getting ridiculous. Dude can flat out play even with an avg qb. And thanks for starting a thread with the same message you've been posting in every other thread. You and Stevie are actually quite similar. You both crave attention.

[YardRat]

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I think a lot of you still don't quite get it.
Thanks, Ralph.

You're still not getting it if you think Ralph has been pulling all the strings on draft day and in free agency.

Our lack of talent falls squarely on the ****ty performance of the GM's and head coaches we've had over the last 20 years.

[BidsJr]

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You and Stevie are actually quite similar. You both crave attention.

Haha burn.

[OpIv37]

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You're still not getting it if you think Ralph has been pulling all the strings on draft day and in free agency.

Our lack of talent falls squarely on the ****ty performance of the GM's and head coaches we've had over the last 20 years.

Stop and think about that for two ****ing seconds.

Who is the only one with the power to hire and fire GM's? RALPH.

Remember LBJ's "the buck stops here?" It's Ralph's fault, peroid.

[OpIv37]

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Your hate for Stevie is getting ridiculous. Dude can flat out play even with an avg qb. And thanks for starting a thread with the same message you've been posting in every other thread. You and Stevie are actually quite similar. You both crave attention.

The only hate I have is for people who perpetually contribute to losses for this team, and Stevie falls into this category.

I will never understand how people who claim to be Bills "fans" can perpetually defend the very same players who keep this team from winning.

[YardRat]

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Stop and think about that for two ****ing seconds.

Who is the only one with the power to hire and fire GM's? RALPH.

Remember LBJ's "the buck stops here?" It's Ralph's fault, peroid.

Re-read your own ****ing post.

Ralph has assembled a team of guys...

It may be Ralph's fault for hiring under-performing GM's, but to lay the blame entirely on him for ****ty draft picks is ignorant.

[OpIv37]

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Re-read your own ****ing post.

Ralph has assembled a team of guys...

It may be Ralph's fault for hiring under-performing GM's, but to lay the blame entirely on him for ****ty draft picks is ignorant.

First, if you don't think Ralph interferes, you have your head in the sand. Maybe not so much with draft picks, but definitely with FA's. Remember, he's the one who has to sign the checks and there is no way he's handing over any blank ones.

Second, the buck stops at the top. Ralph has repeatedly made bad decisions regarding who he hired. You think all those bad draft picks are coincidence? Ralph picked the GM's who made the pick, and he either doesn't want to pay for the necessary talent, or just sucks at evaluating GM's. Or maybe both. But either way, through all the years of suckage, there has been only one consistent factor: Ralph C. Wilson, Jr.

[YardRat]

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First, if you don't think Ralph interferes, you have your head in the sand. Maybe not so much with draft picks, but definitely with FA's. Remember, he's the one who has to sign the checks and there is no way he's handing over any blank ones.

Second, the buck stops at the top. Ralph has repeatedly made bad decisions regarding who he hired. You think all those bad draft picks are coincidence? Ralph picked the GM's who made the pick, and he either doesn't want to pay for the necessary talent, or just sucks at evaluating GM's. Or maybe both. But either way, through all the years of suckage, there has been only one consistent factor: Ralph C. Wilson, Jr.

Blah, blah, blah.

"I don't have ****, so I'm taking the easy way out and blaming the old man."

Wilson ****ed up the Littman/Polian battle. Granted.
He elevated Butler, somebody he trusted. The right move, until Butler threw a boatload of money at his 'buddies', put us in cap hell, and ****ed Ralph in the ass.
He hired Donahoe, the big-time, fancy named hire at the time who he should have been able to trust, but ****ed Ralph in the ass again.
He re-hired Marv Levy...somebody he trusted and had previous success...not the greatest hire in hindsight.

You can throw out the asinine 'Buck stops here' defense all you want, but the bottom line is except for extreme 'six degrees from Kevin Bacon' nonsense he's no more responsible for management's ****-ups during the off-season than he is for player ****-ups on Sunday.

[OpIv37]

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Blah, blah, blah.

"I don't have ****, so I'm taking the easy way out and blaming the old man."

Wilson ****ed up the Littman/Polian battle. Granted.
He elevated Butler, somebody he trusted. The right move, until Butler threw a boatload of money at his 'buddies', put us in cap hell, and ****ed Ralph in the ass.
He hired Donahoe, the big-time, fancy named hire at the time who he should have been able to trust, but ****ed Ralph in the ass again.
He re-hired Marv Levy...somebody he trusted and had previous success...not the greatest hire in hindsight.

You can throw out the asinine 'Buck stops here' defense all you want, but the bottom line is except for extreme 'six degrees from Kevin Bacon' nonsense he's no more responsible for management's ****-ups during the off-season than he is for player ****-ups on Sunday.

He IS management and he hires and fires the guys who are responsible for those "management ****-ups."

If you don't see the blood on Ralph's hands, then you are just fooling yourself.

I know, it's tough to admit, because it means things won't change until the old man dies. And at that point, we may or may not have a team anymore. But it's reality, so quit hiding from it. "It's not Ralph's fault- it's the people HE decided to hire and HE refused to fire." What? Logic fail.

[Jan Reimers]

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Remember LBJ's "the buck stops here?"

That was Truman.

[mysticsoto]

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He IS management and he hires and fires the guys who are responsible for those "management ****-ups."

If you don't see the blood on Ralph's hands, then you are just fooling yourself.

I know, it's tough to admit, because it means things won't change until the old man dies. And at that point, we may or may not have a team anymore. But it's reality, so quit hiding from it. "It's not Ralph's fault- it's the people HE decided to hire and HE refused to fire." What? Logic fail.

If you want to take it to an extreme Op, it's the fan's fault then for paying Ralph money to hire incompetents who couldn't get the job done. It's the fan's fault for pouring money in, it's the fan's parents fault for not teaching them to throw money through an open window...and the blame list goes on upward.

Those making decisions directly affecting the day to day actions of the bills deserve blame also.

[madness]

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Re-read your own ****ing post.

Ralph has assembled a team of guys...

It may be Ralph's fault for hiring under-performing GM's, but to lay the blame entirely on him for ****ty draft picks is ignorant.

What? You don't believe a 93 year old is standing behind the curtain pulling all the strings? His broken hip was just a ploy. He gets around fine and is still as sharp as a bowling bowl!

[OpIv37]

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If you want to take it to an extreme Op, it's the fan's fault then for paying Ralph money to hire incompetents who couldn't get the job done. It's the fan's fault for pouring money in, it's the fan's parents fault for not teaching them to throw money through an open window...and the blame list goes on upward.

Those making decisions directly affecting the day to day actions of the bills deserve blame also.

Well, you could make the fan argument, but the reality of that situation is that Ralph has us by the balls. If we buy tickets and merch, then we are paying for an inferior product and he has no motivation to do what it takes to fix the team. If we don't buy tickets and merch, then he can claim the team isn't profitable and sell it or move it.

And honestly, if you don't think Ralph doesn't interfere in those day-to-day decisions, you are fooling yourselves. I'm sure he doesn't get involved in the "which plays to run" or "which S/T guys to cut before the season starts" type decisions. But you can bet your ass he's involved in things like paying FA's and selecting coaches. And when it comes to the draft, I'm sure he doesn't actually make the pick but it wouldn't surprise me if he makes his opinions known, and the spineless yes-men that he hires take it from there.