If you could pick ONE defensive player in NFL for the Bills...

[Mahdi]

Who would it be?

My pick is Jason Pierre-Paul.

[better days]

I would take Suh in a heartbeat & I don't care that he is not really a "need".

[TacklingDummy]

Jared Allen.

It all starts with a pass rush.

[The King]

Ed Reed

[psubills62]

Patrick Willis.

[Mahdi]

Ed Reed
Seriously...?

[Mahdi]

Patrick Willis.
He would be my second choice if we had a pass rusher already.

[Forward_Lateral]

Patrick Willis

[EDS]

Patrick Willis is my choice as well.

[stuckincincy]

Patrick Willis is my choice as well.

Revis. Who else gets to hold, grab, and interfere with being flagged 1 out of 10 times? Think of the advantages of that...

[ThunderGun]

Who would it be?

My pick is Jason Pierre-Paul.

Good thing we took Spiller over him, huh?

[TMu11]

Suh

Followed by..

Revis
Von Miller

[The Jokeman]

DeMarcus Ware.

[ThunderGun]

I'd take Ko Simpson

[THATHURMANATOR]

Jason Allen.

It all starts with a pass rush.
Jason Allen?
Who is that?
:thurm2:

[Mahdi]

Good thing we took Spiller over him, huh?
Spiller was considered a sure thing at the time. JPP was considered a project with a high ceiling and very low floor.

[better days]

Jason Allen?
Who is that?
:thurm2:

I think he meant Jared Allen but there is a CB for the Texans by the name of Jason Allen.

[ThunderGun]

Spiller was considered a sure thing at the time. JPP was considered a project with a high ceiling and very low floor.

A sure thing? Not by me.

I was sure that we already had two Probowl-caliber RB's though....

[Pinkerton Security]

1) P Willie
2) JPP
3) Revis
4) Suh

[Ed]

Probably Von Miller or Aldon Smith.

[Mahdi]

A sure thing? Not by me.

I was sure that we already had two Probowl-caliber RB's though....
Ok maybe not by you but everyone else. Spiller was a complete player who explosive skills running, receiving and returning. And running between the tackles was not a problem for him in college either as he did a lot of that in his last season especially.

[Mahdi]

Probably Von Miller or Aldon Smith.
Why Miller or Smith over JPP though... just curious?

[Jaybird]

Jason Allen?
Who is that?
:thurm2:

Jason Allan was a first round bust from the dolphins

[Ed]

Why Miller or Smith over JPP though... just curious?
I don't know, I just really love watching those guys play. They both look awesome and they are only rookies. I think they're both going to have great careers.

JPP has had a great year too. I certainly wouldn't complain if he were a Bill.

EDIT: I wanted to add that Aldon Smith and Von Miller also seem a little more versatile to me then JPP.

[JCBills]

Are we in a 3-4?

If so, Clay Matthews.

[Mahdi]

I don't know, I just really love watching those guys play. They both look awesome and they are only rookies. I think they're both going to have great careers.

JPP has had a great year too. I certainly wouldn't complain if he were a Bill.

EDIT: I wanted to add that Aldon Smith and Von Miller also seem a little more versatile to me then JPP.
The reason I ask is because JPP has been dominant as a run defender as well as a pass rusher. The guy has been almost unblockable in any situation.

Aldon and Miller have been amazing for sure, but more in terms of pure pass rushers.

[Mahdi]

Are we in a 3-4?

If so, Clay Matthews.
Hybrid or unknown. Like the last 2 seasons...

[elltrain22]

For me its a toss up b/w Willis and/or DeMarcus Ware. Great question.

[Ed]

The reason I ask is because JPP has been dominant as a run defender as well as a pass rusher. The guy has been almost unblockable in any situation.

Aldon and Miller have been amazing for sure, but more in terms of pure pass rushers.
I can't really say that I have watched JPP that much. Maybe overall he's the better player. I don't know. It's hard to pick just one player. I was just throwing out a couple names of players I really like.

[k-oneputt]

JPP would be first pick for this team.
Willis would be the second.
Suh would be third because he's that good.
Suh would probably be #1 but since we have Dareus and Williams, JPP it is.
JPP is exactly what the Bills need.
Maybe we get Coples in the draft and we can light a fire under his a** and he becomes our JPP.

[DynaPaul]

Champ Bailey

[Mahdi]

Champ Bailey
Maybe 5-7 years ago. There's better CBs than him right now though if its a CB you think will change our defense...

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Champ Bailey

circa 2005 i hope..

[JCBills]

Hybrid or unknown. Like the last 2 seasons...

Matthews. 29.5 sacks, 4 INT, 6 FF in 3 seasons and he's 25. Solves LOLB or ROLB for 3-4.

[RedEyE]

1) Jared Allen
2) Suh
3) Darelle Revis
4) Troy Polamalu

[Bill Cody]

I don't know how many Giants games you guys see but JPP is headed for DPY and soon, absolute freak of nature.

[Mahdi]

Matthews. 29.5 sacks, 4 INT, 6 FF in 3 seasons and he's 25. Solves LOLB or ROLB for 3-4.
I agree. I just think that JPP is more well rounded, bigger, stronger than Mathews. Mathews is a playmaker but he can be targeted in the run game.

Honestly, if we had more 4-3 pieces we might be better going that way.

A DL where Dareus and Williams are in the middle with a dominant pass rusher at DE would be problematic for most offenses. Not sure how stout Williams will ever be as a NT.

[Mahdi]

I don't know how many Giants games you guys see but JPP is headed for DPY and soon, absolute freak of nature.
Yup.

Freakishly long, fast and strong. Add to that his pass rush skills and his motor. This guy might be the next Strahan.

[JCBills]

I agree. I just think that JPP is more well rounded, bigger, stronger than Mathews. Mathews is a playmaker but he can be targeted in the run game.

Honestly, if we had more 4-3 pieces we might be better going that way.

A DL where Dareus and Williams are in the middle with a dominant pass rusher at DE would be problematic for most offenses. Not sure how stout Williams will ever be as a NT.

Matthews can hold down the strong side against the run.

I just don't get people listing names of people reaching or over 30 years old.

[stuckincincy]

Matthews. 29.5 sacks, 4 INT, 6 FF in 3 seasons and he's 25. Solves LOLB or ROLB for 3-4.

Merriman, version 2 ?

http://www.totalpackers.com/2010/05/22/clay-matthews-denies-steroid-use/

[DraftBoy]

Willis

[tatersalad]

Patrick Willis without a doubt second choice would be D. Ware

[ticatfan]

Cam Wake.

[Extremebillsfan247]

Von Miller, He is everything the Bills need in a LB that they don't have. JMO

[SquishDaFish]

Suggs

[JCBills]

Von Miller, He is everything the Bills need in a LB that they don't have. JMO

They need someone who can hold up to the run as well as bring pressure.

[EDS]

They need someone who can hold up to the run as well as bring pressure.

Von Miller can do that. He looks to be an all around stud.

[Oaf]

Matthews.

[JCBills]

Von Miller can do that. He looks to be an all around stud.

Not sold on that. He plays the weak side. Typically, you don't want a 245 lb OLB trying to stop the run on the strong side.

[stuckincincy]

Not sold on that. He plays the weak side. Typically, you don't want a 245 lb OLB trying to stop the run on the strong side.

Why not? I wouldn't care who stops a run, weak or strong side. If the mission's accomplished, that
is good enough for me.

[JCBills]

Why not? I wouldn't care who stops a run, weak or strong side. If the mission's accomplished, that
is good enough for me.

Lol, what?

[Mr. Pink]

Willis or Revis

[YardRat]

Revis.

Corners that good are just too hard to find.

[The last buffalo fan]

Donte Withme.

[BillsFever21]

Patrick Willis.
If only we would've drafted one slot higher in front of San Francisco. That's also who I wanted in that draft and I think the Bills were probably going to draft him. We had a huge need for a LB then and we still do. Instead we ended up with Lynch.

Imagine if we could've ended up with Willis and then didn't screw the pooch on the Maybin pick and drafted Orakpo instead. We would have a heck of a LB tandem and our pass rush and defense would be pretty good right now. That's the Bills for you though.

So for some who think a couple spots in the draft doesn't make a difference if you end up winning a meaningless game late in the season just take a look at 2007. Would you rather have had Willis or Lynch? Lets just hope nothing like that happens this year after the meaningless win against the Broncos.

[Mahdi]

For all those saying Willis. Its obviously a good choice, one of the top 5 defensive players in football.

BUT, how does he help our pass rush?

[EDS]

For all those saying Willis. Its obviously a good choice, one of the top 5 defensive players in football.

BUT, how does he help our pass rush?

In a number of ways I think. His presence improves the team defense overall both in defending the run (range and instincts) and the pass (range and cover skills). His coverage skills certaintly will help give our pass rushers some additional time.

In general though he is just too good a player to pass up and is exactly the type of guy you want to build a defense around in todays NFL.

After Willis, pass rusher is the obvious way to go for the Bills defense, and I would want one of the elit pass rushers even before another stud like Revis or Ngata just because of the dire pass rushing need.

[psubills62]

If only we would've drafted one slot higher in front of San Francisco. That's also who I wanted in that draft and I think the Bills were probably going to draft him. We had a huge need for a LB then and we still do. Instead we ended up with Lynch.

Imagine if we could've ended up with Willis and then didn't screw the pooch on the Maybin pick and drafted Orakpo instead. We would have a heck of a LB tandem and our pass rush and defense would be pretty good right now. That's the Bills for you though.

So for some who think a couple spots in the draft doesn't make a difference if you end up winning a meaningless game late in the season just take a look at 2007. Would you rather have had Willis or Lynch? Lets just hope nothing like that happens this year after the meaningless win against the Broncos.
Yeah, it sucks, but the thing is that even if you miss out on a great player that doesn't mean we should be this awful. We've simply whiffed on a LOT of the guys that we've drafted, period.

[wozrob11]

2 words TIM TEBOW

[Johnny Bugmenot]

If pigs could fly, the Bills would be in the Super Bowl. Heck, if any of the aforementioned names were in Bills uniforms, they'd be sitting at home, nursing some catastrophic injury like the rest of the team. Get over it, folks.

[BillsFever21]

Yeah, it sucks, but the thing is that even if you miss out on a great player that doesn't mean we should be this awful. We've simply whiffed on a LOT of the guys that we've drafted, period.

Of course it takes more then one player but that scenario definitely would've helped us. Unfortunately for the Bills we have whiffed on most of our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round players in the past decade. None of them were great players, a few couldn't even start or get on the field and a couple more were just average starters at best. The only good ones we've really got were Wood and Levitre.

Hopefully that chain will be broken with Spiller, Dareus, Williams and Sheppard. Troupe has already been a complete waste and probably won't be anything. The rest of the 2010 draft looks like a waste too. Carrington is average at best and if we're lucky he will be an average starter or good depth and Easley hasn't even been able to see a regular season game yet. Spiller is our only hope to salvage something out of that draft. Hopefully our 2011 draft doesn't end up the same along with our upcoming draft. That's why we have sucked for over a decade though.

[better days]

If only we would've drafted one slot higher in front of San Francisco. That's also who I wanted in that draft and I think the Bills were probably going to draft him. We had a huge need for a LB then and we still do. Instead we ended up with Lynch.

Imagine if we could've ended up with Willis and then didn't screw the pooch on the Maybin pick and drafted Orakpo instead. We would have a heck of a LB tandem and our pass rush and defense would be pretty good right now. That's the Bills for you though.

So for some who think a couple spots in the draft doesn't make a difference if you end up winning a meaningless game late in the season just take a look at 2007. Would you rather have had Willis or Lynch? Lets just hope nothing like that happens this year after the meaningless win against the Broncos.

Well, two teams with the SAME record as the Bills are drafting ahead of Buffalo. Let's hope they don't draft someone we WANT.

[YardRat]

If only we would've drafted one slot higher in front of San Francisco. That's also who I wanted in that draft and I think the Bills were probably going to draft him. We had a huge need for a LB then and we still do. Instead we ended up with Lynch.

Imagine if we could've ended up with Willis and then didn't screw the pooch on the Maybin pick and drafted Orakpo instead. We would have a heck of a LB tandem and our pass rush and defense would be pretty good right now. That's the Bills for you though.

So for some who think a couple spots in the draft doesn't make a difference if you end up winning a meaningless game late in the season just take a look at 2007. Would you rather have had Willis or Lynch? Lets just hope nothing like that happens this year after the meaningless win against the Broncos.

We still could've had Revis.

[BillsFever21]

We still could've had Revis.
Yeah wouldn't that have been nice. I think the Bills were focused on Willis and of course they tried to outsmart themselves and thought they needed another RB and screwed the pooch.

Most likely Revis would've been gone after this year. I doubt Wilson would've dished out the money it took to sign him before his rookie contract was even up like the Jets did when he held out after outperforming his contract.

All of these scenarios and other statement in this thread and others is just a great example of why we have sucked for 12 straight years. The Bills always screw up their draft and can't evaluate college talent.

Then most of the time when we do get a decent one they don't want to pay the money out to keep them around. They would rather sign mid-tier guys like Kelsay for 6 million a year instead of committing twice that much money for a top notch positional player.

[YardRat]

Yeah wouldn't that have been nice. I think the Bills were focused on Willis and of course they tried to outsmart themselves and thought they needed another RB and screwed the pooch.

Most likely Revis would've been gone after this year. I doubt Wilson would've dished out the money it took to sign him before his rookie contract was even up like the Jets did when he held out after outperforming his contract.

All of these scenarios and other statement in this thread and others is just a great example of why we have sucked for 12 straight years. The Bills always screw up their draft and can't evaluate college talent.

Then most of the time when we do get a decent one they don't want to pay the money out to keep them around. They would rather sign mid-tier guys like Kelsay for 6 million a year instead of committing twice that much money for a top notch positional player.

I can't argue against that, you're probably right.

[mjt328]

I'm a big believer in building a strong pass rush - then worrying about upgrading the defensive backs.


With that said, I don't think you can find a better or more consistent pass rusher than DeMarcus Ware.

Jared Allen is a pretty close second.

Jason Pierre-Paul was a popular choice, but I would like to see him put together another season playing at this level first.

[Mad Max]

If we had an organization that wasn't completely and utterly clueless, we wouldn't have to play what-if games like this. All they had to do was not Fk up absolute no brainer picks like...off the top of my head Ngata and Orakpo.

[bflojohn]

Realistically, the guy for me is Mario Williams because he probably wants to return to a 4-3 alignment, and can be had in free agency. The Texans were #2 in defense, mostly without him, so I think signing him would bolster the pass rush expotentially!! Heck, he had 5 sacks in 5 games for Houston, and Dareus was our sack master with 5.5 over 15 games. Besides, he is entering his prime at 26 years of age folks. I'd even trade the #10 pick for a stud like him. Imagine Dareus, K. Williams, and M.Williams up front, you or I could play the opposite end and succeed as a team!

[Bert102176]

patrick Willis followed very closely by Suh

[Bert102176]

If we had an organization that wasn't completely and utterly clueless, we wouldn't have to play what-if games like this. All they had to do was not Fk up absolute no brainer picks like...off the top of my head Ngata and Orakpo.


thank you

[Bert102176]

Well, two teams with the SAME record as the Bills are drafting ahead of Buffalo. Let's hope they don't draft someone we WANT.



any of the true top talent we need will be gone by pick 5, Luck, Blackman, RGIII or Kalil

[Mr. Pink]

If we had an organization that wasn't completely and utterly clueless, we wouldn't have to play what-if games like this. All they had to do was not Fk up absolute no brainer picks like...off the top of my head Ngata and Orakpo.


And taking Mangold instead of McCargo when we traded up.

Hell, almost everyone I know thought they were trading up to select Mangold and I still remember the people I watched that draft with all had that WTF moment when McCargo was announced as the pick.