What would've happened if? Super Bowl XXV.

[blackonyx89]

My brother said that if Phil Simms had started in Super Bowl XXV, the Bills would lost by more than 1 point and a possible blowout like the other 3 Bowls. I take the brunt of his hating on the Bills ( and I hate hearing it from him all the time), but would like your thoughts on this. Well?

[OpIv37]

Do we have to keep bringing this up?

It's like going up to someone and saying "hey man, remember that time your grandma died?" or "remember that time your dog got hit by that truck?"

[BertSquirtgum]

I don't give a ****. It was 22 years ago and I'm over it. You should be too.

[YardRat]

Yeah, let it go....it's an exercise in futility.

[Ickybaluky]

The appropriate reaction is to tell him he is stupid and punch him in the face.

[stuckincincy]

My brother said that if Phil Simms had started in Super Bowl XXV, the Bills would lost by more than 1 point and a possible blowout like the other 3 Bowls. I take the brunt of his hating on the Bills ( and I hate hearing it from him all the time), but would like your thoughts on this. Well?


Thoughts? Marv Levy being in the HOF... :darth:

[The Jokeman]

1990 Buffalo Bills
1990 New York Giants
@ Tampa Stadium
2/21/2012
1990 Buffalo Bills
7 7 0 7 -- 21
1990 New York Giants
0 7 14 3 -- 24

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SCORING SUMMARY

1st Quarter
BUF 1:39 TD 47 yd interception return (Norwood kick) 7-0
2nd Quarter
BUF 8:17 TD Andre Reed 6 yd. pass from Kelly (Norwood kick) 14-0
NEW 1:51 TD Stephen Baker 27 yd. pass from Simms (Allegre kick) 14-7
3rd Quarter
NEW 12:27 TD 68 yd punt return (Allegre kick) 14-14
NEW 0:02 TD Mark Ingram 18 yd. pass from Simms (Allegre kick) 14-21
4th Quarter
NEW 10:19 FG Raul Allegre 45 yds. 14-24
BUF 2:00 TD Keith McKeller 4 yd. pass from Kelly (Norwood kick) 21-24
PLAYER OF THE GAME
'90 Phil Simms (1990 New York Giants)

TEAM STATISTICS

1990 Buffalo Bills

1990 New York Giants

First Downs 15 12
- Rushing 5 3
- Passing 10 9
- Penalty 0 0
3rd Down Eff 5/14 6/16
4th Down Eff 0/0 0/0
Rushes-Yards 28-127 35-111
Avg Rush 4.5 3.2
Comp-Att-Int 14-30-2 11-24-1
Passing Yards 132 138
Sacks-Yards 1-5 2-10
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 2-1
Punts-Avg 9-38.6 8-44.0
KR-Avg 5-23.6 4-11.0
PR-Avg 8-5.0 9-19.0
Penalties-Yard 3-25 3-23
Time of Possession 27:03 32:57
INDIVIDUAL STATS
1990 Buffalo Bills
RUSHING
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'90 Thurman Thomas 17 43 0 6 0
'90 Andre Reed 1 34 1 34 0
'90 Kenneth Davis 5 34 1 26 0
'90 Jamie Mueller 4 15 0 11 0
'90 Jim Kelly 1 1 0 1 0

1990 New York Giants
RUSHING
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'90 Rodney Hampton 10 48 0 16 0
'90 Ottis Anderson 18 41 1 22 0
'90 David Meggett 3 22 0 11 0
'90 Stephen Baker 1 1 0 1 0
'90 Phil Simms 3 -1 0 1 0
RECEIVING
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'90 James Lofton 2 44 1 0 29 0
'90 Andre Reed 4 32 0 0 12 1
'90 Keith McKeller 4 25 0 0 13 1
'90 Thurman Thomas 3 20 0 0 12 0
'90 Jamie Mueller 1 16 0 0 16 0

RECEIVING
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'90 Stephen Baker 3 53 1 0 27 1
'90 Mark Ingram 2 37 0 0 19 1
'90 Mark Bavaro 2 18 0 0 14 0
'90 Lionel Manuel 1 12 0 0 12 0
'90 Rodney Hampton 1 10 0 0 10 0
'90 David Meggett 1 9 0 0 9 0
'90 Howard Cross 1 9 0 0 9 0
PASSING
Comp Att Yards TD INT
'90 Jim Kelly 14 29 137 2 2
'90 Frank Reich 0 1 0 0 0

PASSING
Comp Att Yards TD INT
'90 Phil Simms 11 24 148 2 1
DEFENSE
Tackles Sacks INT
'90 Nate Odomes 5 0 0
'90 Mark Kelso 4 0 0
'90 Carlton Bailey 4 0 0
'90 Leon Seals 3 0 0
'90 David Pool 3 0 1
'90 Kirby Jackson 3 0 0
'90 Leonard Smith 2 0 0
'90 Bruce Smith 2 0 0
'90 Chris Hale 2 0 0
'90 Hal Garner 2 0 0
'90 Shane Conlan 2 0 0
'90 James Williams 1 0 0
'90 Darryl Talley 1 1 0
'90 Mark Pike 1 0 0
'90 Marvcus Patton 1 0 0
'90 Clifford Hicks 1 0 0
'90 Ray Bentley 1 0 0
'90 Cornelius Bennett 1 1 0

DEFENSE
Tackles Sacks INT
'90 John Washington 4 0 0
'90 Everson Walls 4 0 1
'90 Greg Jackson 4 0 0
'90 Mark Collins 4 0 0
'90 Leonard Marshall 3 1 0
'90 Pepper Johnson 3 0 0
'90 Johnie Cooks 3 0 0
'90 Reyna Thompson 2 0 0
'90 Mike Fox 2 0 0
'90 Perry Williams 1 0 0
'90 David Whitmore 1 0 0
'90 Gary Reasons 1 0 1
'90 Myron Guyton 1 0 0
'90 Dave Duerson 1 0 0
'90 Carl Banks 1 0 0
FIELD GOALS

FIELD GOALS
Made Missed
'90 Raul Allegre 45 --
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[BLeonard]

My brother said that if Phil Simms had started in Super Bowl XXV, the Bills would lost by more than 1 point and a possible blowout like the other 3 Bowls. I take the brunt of his hating on the Bills ( and I hate hearing it from him all the time), but would like your thoughts on this. Well?

I'll answer with a question...

Does your brother know that the Bills and Giants played in the 1990 season?

Phil Simms was the starting QB that day. He actually suffered the injury that sidelined him for the season during that game as well.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199012150nyg.htm



Buffalo Bills 17 at New York Giants 13


-Bill

[Historian]

Phil Simms was a turd who was lucky enough to have LT keep giving him the ball.

[The Jokeman]

I'll answer with a question...

Does your brother know that the Bills and Giants played in the 1990 season?

Phil Simms was the starting QB that day. He actually suffered the injury that sidelined him for the season during that game as well.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199012150nyg.htm



-Bill
Look closer at that box score, Frank Reich got in the game and actually lead the team to win. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkN0P3aRIE0&feature=related and skip to 21:30. Now the more important question could be what if Frank Reich played in that Super Bowl?

[Mski]

My brother said that if Phil Simms had started in Super Bowl XXV, the Bills would lost by more than 1 point and a possible blowout like the other 3 Bowls. I take the brunt of his hating on the Bills ( and I hate hearing it from him all the time), but would like your thoughts on this. Well?just kick him in the nuts, and tell him to get over it already

[Goobylal]

Simms was an average-at-best QB with arguably 2 good seasons in his career. Before getting injured against the Bills in that 1990 in-season game, he did nothing. Hostetler actually gave them a better chance in the SB.

[Albany,n.y.]

I'll go back to the day of the game. I was in the stadium & in the middle of the game I turned to the Giants fans next to me (I had the last seat of the Bills package & the Giants package people were next to me) and I said. "If Phil Simms was in the game you'd be killing us right now"
That was my opinion when the game was actually taking place in front of me, which I believe is better than if I was looking back in hindsight 21 years later. Phil Simms was a far superior QB than Hostetler.

[cordog]

The following season, Hostetler beat out Simms to be the starting QB. In fact, Hostetler was the starter for 2 seasons after Super Bowl XXV with Simms as his back up. While Simms was an ok QB, people want to remember him as being a lot better than that since he was a Super Bowl MVP and is on national TV every week. I don't think its a coincidence that Hostetler beat the 49ers and the Bills, while Simms lost to both during the 1990 regular season.

[G Wolly]

If Phil Simms starts SB XXV, Buffalo wins the SB and prevents 9/11 from ever happening.

Phil Simms hates America.

[Skooby]

If my grandma had a ****.....

[Albany,n.y.]

The following season, Hostetler beat out Simms to be the starting QB. In fact, Hostetler was the starter for 2 seasons after Super Bowl XXV with Simms as his back up. While Simms was an ok QB, people want to remember him as being a lot better than that since he was a Super Bowl MVP and is on national TV every week. I don't think its a coincidence that Hostetler beat the 49ers and the Bills, while Simms lost to both during the 1990 regular season.
That's partially correct: Handley chose Hostetler over Simms for 1991, but in 1992, Simms was the starter, he was never Hostetler's backup that year. His season lasted only 4 games because of a season ending injury, not because he was relegated to the backup role. Simms returned from the injury and was the starter in 1993, the year the Giants let Hostetler sign with the Raiders rather than give him the starter's job.
There's no comparison between regular season & postseason, just ask the 2007 Patriots.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

If Phil Simms starts, does Darryl Talley learn how to tackle?

[Ickybaluky]

just kick him in the nuts, and tell him to get over it already

I like this idea. After you kick him in the nuts, tell him it would have hurt more if you used the other foot.