Stephen Hill

[Yasgur's Farm]

This kid's gonna fly up the draft boards... He just ran a 4.30 40... He averaged over 25 yards/catch at GT! http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=90117&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR

[Yasgur's Farm]

For the record... He's 6'-4" 215

[DraftBoy]

Slow down a bit, this kids film has lots of issues.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Agree... But unexpected speed has got to have some affect in moving him up from 60 or so. I believe he was only published aroun 4.47 speed. To have him throw down a 4.30 at combine probably even got Al Davis' attention from the grave.

[DraftBoy]

Agree... But unexpected speed has got to have some affect in moving him up from 60 or so. I believe he was only published aroun 4.47 speed. To have him throw down a 4.30 at combine probably even got Al Davis' attention from the grave.

Well he was a 3rd to 4th Rounder coming in, probably a secure 3rd Rounder now but not much higher.

[ddaryl]

in the latter rounds why the hell not, but he is a project

[kingJofNYC]

Chris Owusu has some crazy numbers, too bad he's one head injury from being sidelined for good.

[YardRat]

Too bad for anybody that actually puts stock in 40 times.

It's more important how fast they are with pads on.

[ThunderGun]

Slow down a bit, this kids film has lots of issues.

Like what?

I've never seen the kid play, so I'm totally clueless. His combine has certainly been impressive. I'd like to know what his issues are. Does he have poor hands or something?

[YardRat]

I haven't seen anything that's a major negative. IMO the biggest knock is simply lack of production, only from a reception standpoint (product of the system), and he may not be the most polished or fluid route runner.

[YardRat]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1081178-2012-nfl-draft-for-buffalo-bills-wr-stephen-hill-fits-the-bill

[DraftBoy]

Like what?

I've never seen the kid play, so I'm totally clueless. His combine has certainly been impressive. I'd like to know what his issues are. Does he have poor hands or something?

Hands, Awareness, and Concentration.

Im not going to knock him for his routes so much because he was stuck in a triple option system.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Too bad for anybody that actually puts stock in 40 times.

It's more important how fast they are with pads on.You know... I hear this every year. Extremes get argued and all of a sudden there's absolutely no value in being able to run fast.

Here's the deal in this case... You got a guy who has a 40 speed attached to him of 4.46... NFLDraftScout.com has him ranked as a late 2nd rounder... Then the guy runs a 4.30. Honestly... You don't think that should be taken into account somehow? It's a cummulative thing... It's some magic formula comprised of many things... Strength, speed, smarts, motivation, etc, etc, etc. Any one of those that exceed (or falls short of) expectation can have an affect on where that player gets drafted.

It's not putting more stock into 1 thing... It's considering information that wasn,t there befor.

[YardRat]

You know... I hear this every year. Extremes get argued and all of a sudden there's absolutely no value in being able to run fast.

Here's the deal in this case... You got a guy who has a 40 speed attached to him of 4.46... NFLDraftScout.com has him ranked as a late 2nd rounder... Then the guy runs a 4.30. Honestly... You don't think that should be taken into account somehow? It's a cummulative thing... It's some magic formula comprised of many things... Strength, speed, smarts, motivation, etc, etc, etc. Any one of those that exceed (or falls short of) expectation can have an affect on where that player gets drafted.

It's not putting more stock into 1 thing... It's considering information that wasn,t there befor.

No, I don't. This isn't a track meet, it's football. I'm much more interested in how he moves, or how fast he runs, with pads on in a game situation. If 40 time was so important relative to the game, Renaldo Nehemiah would be in the HOF.

[Yasgur's Farm]

You're still arguing extremes YR... Speed matters, hands nmatter, route running matters, jumping ability matters, eyesight matters...

By fashionably ignoring any aspect of the formula is a diservice.

Peace

[YardRat]

You're still arguing extremes YR... Speed matters, hands nmatter, route running matters, jumping ability matters, eyesight matters...

By fashionably ignoring any aspect of the formula is a diservice.

Peace

I agree for the most part, but in reality at that level the difference between 4.46 and 4.30 is insignificant...just IMO. Seeing how he runs in pads against competition is a far bigger factor than .16 'difference' on a track in Speedos.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Good discussion... Have a good night.

[Yasgur's Farm]

BTW... Knee jerk on my part... But if the Bills get him round 3, I think it's great value.

[YardRat]

I'm certainly not against drafting him by any means, and a third would be worth the risk for me.

[ThunderGun]

Hands, Awareness, and Concentration.

Im not going to knock him for his routes so much because he was stuck in a triple option system.

Thanks for the info!

[jamze132]

Buffalo will trade back into the first so we can meet our quota early on drafting a punt catcher. If we can sure up that one on Day 1, we should be in good shape to find a bunch of high-motor DEs later on in the draft who can challenge our many 3rd down pass-rushing specialists.

[BuffaloBlakely14]

DB show me where he has hand issues. He was great after the catch last year and made the best catch at the combine yesterday laying out for a catch.

[CleveSteve]

Demariyus Thomas?

[ThunderGun]

Demariyus Thomas?
I wanted him BADLY in '10. Once Suh, Okung and Trent Williams came off the board, I was praying that we'd take Demaryius Thomas.

#3 RB was a major need though, so it's all good...

[DraftBoy]

DB show me where he has hand issues. He was great after the catch last year and made the best catch at the combine yesterday laying out for a catch.

Start with the game v. UNC and this epic drop;
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For every great catch he makes (2nd highlight) he also has one of the worst drops you'll ever see (2:36 mark). He also doesn't offer much YAC when in tight coverage.

[Buffalo Thriller]

We shouldn't debate a receivers worth due to dropped passes when our star WR has had more than a few.

[YardRat]

Start with the game v. UNC and this epic drop;
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/D6BhdO59RM0" allowfullscreen="" width="560" frameborder="0" height="315"></iframe>

For every great catch he makes (2nd highlight) he also has one of the worst drops you'll ever see (2:36 mark). He also doesn't offer much YAC when in tight coverage.

That looks just as bad as Stevie's drops against Pittsburgh and NYJests.

[SABURZFAN]

how big are his hands?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Looks like 1st round consideration for some teams...


Stephen Hill continued his meteoric rise up the draft boards with a fantastic workout at Georgia Tech’s pro day Thursday.


When you have three head coaches and a GM show up to a pro day, usually there’s consideration for a first-round pick.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/hill-works-out-in-front-of-3-nfl-coaches-at-ga-tech-pro-day/
But I guess I better "Slow down a bit"... I'm just going overboard again.

[ddaryl]

he is not #10 pick worthy

[Oaf]

(see 2:36 mark)
:rofl:

[ThunderGun]

he is not #10 pick worthy
Definitely not. I'd probably take him in the 2nd, but only if we already have addressed DE (and it sounds like Buddy doesn't plan to draft a DE in the 1st).

If we somehow get Mario or Wimbley in free agency, I wouldn't mind going OT/CB in the 1st, and Hill in the 2nd. I think Floyd in the 1st would be more likely though.

[ThunderGun]

:rofl:

take it for what it's worth, but I've read that a bunch of scouts consider those "focus-drops", because the team passes so little.

[Yasgur's Farm]

he is not #10 pick worthyObviously not 10... But I was thinking 41... No way he makes it to 62.

[Yasgur's Farm]

FWIW... Turns out he goes #43. If not for Cordy Glenn still on the board, Hill very well may have been a Bill.