Kassian to vancouveR

[CuseJetsFan83]

As per tsn tradecentre

[SkateZilla]

stacking draft picks .. w00p w00p

[CuseJetsFan83]

Kassian for cody hodgson/tba

[SabreEleven]

for Cory Hodgson per WGR

[CuseJetsFan83]

Rds reports gragnani is also to van

[SkateZilla]

Rds reports gragnani is also to van

they can have gragnani for free,.

[SabreEleven]

for some guy name Selzer per WGR

[Mski]

who's hodgson? any good?

[chernobylwraiths]

they just lost a TON of size

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Love the deal for Hodgson.

[SkateZilla]

hodgson has like 16 goals 32 pts,
fits in under Vanek, Poms, Roy, and way above everyone else.

[Crisis]

and hodgson is a LEGIT center prospect. love it.

[mightysimi]

Here's the gist on Hodgson from a Vancouver fan:
Drafted 10th. The report coming out of Junior was the same skill set as Stamkos but without the lightning speed. Outscored John Tavares in the World Juniors the year before Tavares went first overall. Good 2 way player but wasn't going anywhere in Van. Wasn't going to beat out Henrik or Kesler. Wasn't really what you want in a 3rd line center although he does score more than the average. Real good prospect and don't like to see him go. Anyone care to give me the breakdown on Kassian?

[Michael82]

Here's the gist on Hodgson from a Vancouver fan:
Drafted 10th. The report coming out of Junior was the same skill set as Stamkos but without the lightning speed. Outscored John Tavares in the World Juniors the year before Tavares went first overall. Good 2 way player but wasn't going anywhere in Van. Wasn't going to beat out Henrik or Kesler. Wasn't really what you want in a 3rd line center although he does score more than the average. Real good prospect and don't like to see him go. Anyone care to give me the breakdown on Kassian?

Sounds like he will make it possible to get rid of Derek Roy in the offseason. We finally got a new center. :up:

However, our team just got even softer by losing both Goose and Kassian.

[Crisis]

Here's the gist on Hodgson from a Vancouver fan:
Drafted 10th. The report coming out of Junior was the same skill set as Stamkos but without the lightning speed. Outscored John Tavares in the World Juniors the year before Tavares went first overall. Good 2 way player but wasn't going anywhere in Van. Wasn't going to beat out Henrik or Kesler. Wasn't really what you want in a 3rd line center although he does score more than the average. Real good prospect and don't like to see him go. Anyone care to give me the breakdown on Kassian?

Kassian is a beast physically. He's a very good prospect, and will bring some good grit. For a young player, he uses his size well. He's hard to take off the puck and is good along the boards. He's not a complete goon either, he has skill (although not as skilled as Hodgson). The biggest problem he has is his mental makeup, at every level he's played at he's become complacent with where he's at. When he got sent back down to Rochester after being called up earlier in the year, he was lazy down there. I think once he's a regular on the big club he'll deal with the complacency issues again, but thats on your coaching staff.

If he maxes out his potential, I think he's a slightly less tough Lucic but with slightly more skill.

Gragnani is terrible. You should hope he never sees the ice.

[trapezeus]

However, our team just got even softer by losing both Goose and Kassian.

but we just got a legit center prospect and picked up an additional first rounder. so if we tank this season as may be the case, we could have a top 5 draft pick.

this means we could have sorted out our center deficiencies in around 6 months. which based on how i was feeling last night seemed like it would never come around.

i think the sabres did well pending the actual results.

[Michael82]

but we just got a legit center prospect and picked up an additional first rounder. so if we tank this season as may be the case, we could have a top 5 draft pick.

this means we could have sorted out our center deficiencies in around 6 months. which based on how i was feeling last night seemed like it would never come around.

i think the sabres did well pending the actual results.

Yeah, you got a point. We could have a top 5 draft pick. Plus we will have a late 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders. Darcy could definitely do some wheeling and dealing with those! :drool:

[trapezeus]

yep, and that's why i'm not terribly worried that we sent too much size out the door. we have the picks and a couple pieces worth moving to get the size back. plus foligno, tropp and adam could be something if ruff doesn't ruin them.

next year already seems like it could be better. and starting this day today, i kind of just assumed the team would remain a middling, struggling entity.

now, let's just see the results.

[utmhead]

Yeah, you got a point. We could have a top 5 draft pick. Plus we will have a late 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders. Darcy could definitely do some wheeling and dealing with those! :drool:


How could you have a top 5 pick, if you are in the playoffs ?? Am i missing something ??

[Michael82]

How could you have a top 5 pick, if you are in the playoffs ?? Am i missing something ??

The Sabres arent in the playoffs and wont make the playoffs unless something miraculous happens. They also have a chance to slide even farther down because the veterans may be upset Goose was traded. They arent mentally tough enough to handle it.

[jamze132]

I like the trades. Getting a 1st rounder for Goose is a steal.

Getting rid of Grags means beers are in order.

[Philagape]

Make no mistake, as far as this spring, they were sellers. You can't swap veteran toughness/faceoffs for young skill and expect to be a contender.

Hodgson just became the franchise. He's the chosen savior for both the Sabres and Darcy's job. We'll see.

[Crisis]

never having to see grags in blue and gold again = party time

[Michael82]

hodgson has like 16 goals 32 pts,
fits in under Vanek, Poms, Roy, and way above everyone else.

He also fits in the Sabres due to his injury history. I was reading up on him from his Wiki site and apparently he's already suffered from these injuries....

Injured his back (muscle strain?) in 2009 (took him a year to fully recover)
Nerve damage in leg in 2009
Broken toe on his right foot in 2010
Broken orbital bone in Dec 2010

[Michael82]

Cody Hodgson got his first assist on a goal by Christian Ehrhoff. He also also played with both Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis on Team Canada. So at least there's some familiarity from him. :up:

[Philagape]

Talent Analysis

Hodgson is a solid all around talent. He does not possess blinding speed, or flashy moves, but he tends to get the job done. He has developed into a fine two-way player. Hodgson is an extremely smart player who uses all of his skills in both ends of the ice. Excellent skater, very strong on the puck, can quarterback the powerplay. Hodson has very good hands and excellent on ice-vision.
Future

He has first-line talent but has been injured, and could be problematic to sign.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/Cody_Hodgson

[Crisis]

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[Philagape]

Cody Hodgson got his first assist on a goal by Christian Ehrhoff. He also also played with both Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis on Team Canada. So at least there's some familiarity from him. :up:

In the 2008-09 world juniors he had 16 points in 6 games :jawdrop:

[Michael82]

Talent Analysis

Hodgson is a solid all around talent. He does not possess blinding speed, or flashy moves, but he tends to get the job done. He has developed into a fine two-way player. Hodgson is an extremely smart player who uses all of his skills in both ends of the ice. Excellent skater, very strong on the puck, can quarterback the powerplay. Hodson has very good hands and excellent on ice-vision.
Future

He has first-line talent but has been injured, and could be problematic to sign. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/Cody_Hodgson

That sounds like EXACTLY what the Sabres need. Excellent skater? Very good hands? Excellent on ice vision? Can QB the powerplay??? :drool:

[Michael82]

In the 2008-09 world juniors he had 16 points in 6 games :jawdrop:

So the team that has desperately needs goal scorers, finally got one!? Sweet!

I will still miss Kassian, and I'm curious to see how much tougher he's going to be when Lindy isn't holding him down. But it looks like we got exactly what we needed, in Hodgson.... :bf1:

[SkateZilla]

Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville

[Philagape]

Canucks fans:


I don't care if Kassian is superman. Coho is our future.


If Vancouver traded CoHo, they are idiots.


If CoHo was traded I will freak out. Must be kidding me.


If they get rid of coho I'm walking out of this class


Don't move Coho..he's one of our most consistent players.

[Philagape]

Marc-Andre Gragnani in my opinion is the gem in this CoHo/Kassian trade. Puck moving pp d-man who is a +10 on a crappy BUF team. good depth

:roflmao:

[Michael82]

:roflmao:

:laughing:

[SkateZilla]

:roflmao:



Marc-Andre Gragnani in my opinion is the gem in this CoHo/Kassian trade. Puck moving pp d-man who is a +10 on a crappy BUF team. good depth

Fitzpatrick's Beard must be posting on Vancouver's Forums again.....

[mightysimi]

Curious why you guys dislike Gragnani? Getting rid of one of the 3 guys on your team who is a plus player doesn't seem like the slug you guys make him out to be.

[SkateZilla]

Putting the Pussy on the Pedestal

[Crisis]

Curious why you guys dislike Gragnani? Getting rid of one of the 3 guys on your team who is a plus player doesn't seem like the slug you guys make him out to be.

He's terrible.

His +/- is extremely misleading, he's been awful this year. He was OK in the playoffs vs Philly last year, but has regressed a LOT since then.

His defensive instincts are terrible. He turns the puck over a lot, he doesn't play smart in his own zone.

He's an OK offensive player (he's looked better at forward than defense this year IMO), but then again he doesn't have a very good shot, and he looks afraid to shoot. He's a decent passer but again, he makes boneheaded passes to the other teams just as much as he makes good passes.

His +/- is no way indicative of his play this year, just a result of dumb luck and lucky shift changes.

Add in the fact that he's the softest player I've ever seen... I'm so glad he's gone.

I will miss BZK a lot.

[Crisis]

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1049519

this thread pretty much sums up how sabres fans feel about him.

add into the fact that we have a bunch of D prospects coming up soon, nobody will miss him.

[Philagape]

Curious why you guys dislike Gragnani? Getting rid of one of the 3 guys on your team who is a plus player doesn't seem like the slug you guys make him out to be.

He's the poster boy for everything that +/- doesn't tell you.
One of the many differences between sports on paper and in reality.

[Crisis]

Right when Grags started being a healthy scratch is when our defensive unit picked its game up again, too. He was Any Elmore bad.

[SABURZFAN]

one of the guys i didn't want to see traded and they trade him. :hang:

[mightysimi]

He's the poster boy for everything that +/- doesn't tell you.
One of the many differences between sports on paper and in reality.
I agree that stats don't always tell but he's the only one. He's so terrible but doesn't get scored on. On a team that gets scored on a lot, that says something I think. Going into this year, how many games in the NHL did he have? 9-10. I'm not saying he is Bobby Orr but you guys sounded like he was the worst player ever. You guys are lynching a player who has less than a full year of experience. He might be bad but I think there are a few more problems on the Sabres than a rookie.

[PTI]

Right when Grags started being a healthy scratch is when our defensive unit picked its game up again, too. He was Any Elmore bad.
Sabres are still coughing the puck in IMO, Miller is just playing at a way better level, The Grags thing to me is not why the defensive unit picked it's game up. I never thought he was as bad as some out here say, and his +10 is way better than anyone else on the team, crazy for how bad the Sabres were.

[doug45]

hodgson has like 16 goals 32 pts,


16 goals is a big deal these says ?? I guess I have been around too long, I can look back and see 40-50 goal Sabers. And now 16 is a lot ?

[Crisis]

16 goals is a big deal these says ?? I guess I have been around too long, I can look back and see 40-50 goal Sabers. And now 16 is a lot ?

He's 22 years old with 12 minutes of ice time per game.

[Cali512]

16 goals is a big deal these says ?? I guess I have been around too long, I can look back and see 40-50 goal Sabers. And now 16 is a lot ?






I dont think its the fact that he had so many goals, its the fact that he has extreme potential and defines what he needs. Looking at the video he seems to control the puck extremely well and carefully, and his aim is point blank!

[doug45]

He's 22 years old with 12 minutes of ice time per game.


We were too soft already and these trades just made us much softer. These young guys are going to get pounded with no one around to help!!

[doug45]

I dont think its the fact that he had so many goals, its the fact that he has extreme potential and defines what he needs. Looking at the video he seems to control the puck extremely well and carefully, and his aim is point blank!


Sounds like the Bills, (Potential or rebuilding), they are just excuses for management not doing the job. But to cover for that they just ship people out and claim a great move.

[Crisis]

We were too soft already and these trades just made us much softer. These young guys are going to get pounded with no one around to help!!

they weren't making the playoffs this year, and even if they did they weren't making a serious run.

it's a flawed team still but this is a great start.

[Cali512]

Sounds like the Bills, (Potential or rebuilding), they are just excuses for management not doing the job. But to cover for that they just ship people out and claim a great move.



We score less than 2 goals a game, which sounds more needy, the big strong hitter, or the young talented goal scorer?

[Skooby]

never having to see grags in blue and gold again = party time

Bingo!! Thank you baby Jesus & all the sheep in the stable.

[Skooby]

CoHo is a gamer, hopefully his injuries don't turn him into Connelly part 2 for us.

[ddaryl]

We were too soft already and these trades just made us much softer. These young guys are going to get pounded with no one around to help!!
we'll get some grit back this offseason. This team wasn't' going anywhere this year even if they made the playoffs., and our need for a center was too great..

Pegula is willing to spend money, but this team needs some big changes to ever be a championship caliber team and that started this week

[doug45]

we'll get some grit back this offseason.

I keep seeing people say that these big guys are a dime a dozen...then why don't we have any now?

[chernobylwraiths]

I agree that stats don't always tell but he's the only one. He's so terrible but doesn't get scored on. On a team that gets scored on a lot, that says something I think. Going into this year, how many games in the NHL did he have? 9-10. I'm not saying he is Bobby Orr but you guys sounded like he was the worst player ever. You guys are lynching a player who has less than a full year of experience. He might be bad but I think there are a few more problems on the Sabres than a rookie.

He has not played well this year. Fans will always bag on a player that is leaving who is not real popular. In interviews, to me, he didn't take much responsibility for his poor play. He is a decent offensive defensman but is NOT very good defensively. I believe he was originally a winger several years ago when he was first brought up.

I am curious if plus/minus is added for short handed goals because I think I remember him giving up a few doosies this year.

[chernobylwraiths]

I keep seeing people say that these big guys are a dime a dozen...then why don't we have any now?

Big goon guys and grinders are a dime a dozen. We don't have any because DR doesn't seem to want to sign them and they don't fit into LR's "system".

[doug45]

Big goon guys and grinders are a dime a dozen. We don't have any because DR doesn't seem to want to sign them and they don't fit into LR's "system".

It doesn't look like that system is working too well. Ask Ryan Miller if he would like some help in that department?

[chernobylwraiths]

It doesn't look like that system is working too well. Ask Ryan Miller if he would like some help in that department?

You aren't going to get an argument from me.

[JD]

Please refrain from personal attacks


We were too soft already and these trades just made us much softer. These young guys are going to get pounded with no one around to help!!

How about leaving the hockey analysis to hockey fans?

[SabreEleven]

How about leaving the hockey analysis to hockey fans?

Thank you.

[doug45]

How about leaving the hockey analysis to hockey fans?


I forgot how this site works...If you don't agree with some of these people you are not a fan.... I think it's time for some adults to get involed with this site. Insults , foul language, How far it was fallen over the years.

[doug45]

You aren't going to get an argument from me.


Watch out if you agree with me they will say you are not a fan !!

[chernobylwraiths]

Watch out if you agree with me they will say you are not a fan !!

eh, I consider the source

[doug45]

eh, I consider the source



You are wise !!!!

[SabreEleven]

Please refrain from childish behaviour such as this.


I forgot how this site works...If you don't agree with some of these people you are not a fan.... I think it's time for some adults to get involed with this site. Insults , foul language, How far it was fallen over the years.

Go here www.disney.com....they are more your speed.

[doug45]

Go here www.disney.com ....they are more your speed.


Thank you for proving my point!!

[SabreEleven]

Thank you for proving my point!!

Who insulted you and called you names and hurt your feelings and made you cry?

[mightysimi]

He has not played well this year. Fans will always bag on a player that is leaving who is not real popular. In interviews, to me, he didn't take much responsibility for his poor play. He is a decent offensive defensman but is NOT very good defensively. I believe he was originally a winger several years ago when he was first brought up.

I am curious if plus/minus is added for short handed goals because I think I remember him giving up a few doosies this year.

He's a young player. I guess my point being was that he sounded brutal from the way you guys talked but as a young D man, or inexperienced, usually take some time to learn to read the play. Not all D are Doughty who can come in a play at 18.

[chernobylwraiths]

He's a young player. I guess my point being was that he sounded brutal from the way you guys talked but as a young D man, or inexperienced, usually take some time to learn to read the play. Not all D are Doughty who can come in a play at 18.
He is 25 (almost). Plus I was right in that he played wing at first. And he HAS played brutal at times this year.

[chernobylwraiths]

What's with all the hate on this Doug guy?

[DMBcrew36]

Kassian looks to be playing inspired tonight. We'll see how long that lasts before he goes soft again. I will say, though, playing on a stacked team like the Canucks with stars like the Sedins, and for a major Canadian hockey city, definitely would push a young player like Kassian to play harder.

[northernbillfan]

Just because posts an opinion that isn't true to your way of thinking doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Attack the post and not the poster.

Zone staff

[mightysimi]

Kassian looks to be playing inspired tonight. We'll see how long that lasts before he goes soft again. I will say, though, playing on a stacked team like the Canucks with stars like the Sedins, and for a major Canadian hockey city, definitely would push a young player like Kassian to play harder.

He did fit in well. He definitely looked like he belonged in their free wheeling style. Twice I saw him take the cycle in the Offensive corner. Not something you usually see. However, he didn't get caught and was on the ice when the Canucks held the Blues in their own end for like 1:30. Only time will tell I guess.